Peace in Kosovo. Stop the Bombing N.A.T.O.!
PnW
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DdC

May God bless and keep you always,
May your wishes all come true,
May you always do for others
And let others do for you.
May you build a ladder to the stars
And climb on every rung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

May you grow up to be righteous,
May you grow up to be true,
May you always know the truth
And see the lights surrounding you.
May you always be courageous,
Stand upright and be strong,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

May your hands always be busy,
May your feet always be swift,
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift.
May your heart always be joyful,
May your song always be sung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

Bob Dylan

Maja,
Thank you for arguing for peace. Please do not give it up. There are so many people on this message board who want war. Your every word and action counts.

Spiro

Basil

You asked for American input. Here's mine.
I have had misgivings about Nato's bombing campaign ever since it started. Yes, Milosevich and his thugs have committed terrible atrocities in Kosovo, and I think this has been very well documented. Mass murders, rapes, people robbed, stripped of everything they own, even their identification documents, sent on forced marches, forcibly expelled into surrounding nations--I think the photos and video and stories from the refugees that have been published around the world are ample testimony to what Milosevich has been up to. To Maja--those weren't movie extras CNN showed jammed together as far as the eye could see just across the border in Macedonia! And 200,000 people wouldn't all be telling the same lie, as you seem to assert.
That said, I don't think Nato is going to accomplish its objective of getting Milosevich to reverse his actions and change his ways by bombing Yugoslavia back to the stone age. This is burning the barn down to get rid of a few (relatively speaking) rats. NATO has done an enormous amount of damage and caused tremendous hardship and dislocation to a lot of innocent people (not to mention civilians killed), damage that will take years to repair, and for all this has only solidified support behind Milosevich. I think at best all NATO will accomplish is to get him to back off for a time til things cool off, and then he will just go right back to his old ways again, and the cycle will start all over again. I really don't see much hope for a permanent solution as long as Milosevich remains in power. But I haven't figured out how anyone is going to get him out of power, either, unless a coup takes place, and then who knows but what his replacement might be just as bad or worse.
The best I can suggest is that for the time, both parties lay down arms and try to negotiate some sort of a settlement where Serbs and Albanians can live together in peace. And for Nato to stop bombing Yugoslavia. Here in the US we have caucasians, blacks, asiatics, Indians, Christians, Muslims, atheists, you name it, all living together, and we all get along together for the most part, why cannot the Albanians and the Serbs do likewise?

Pete

Good morning the brainwashed masses of the West.
Welcome to the Brave New World of 1984

The Newspeak is all around us:
The might is right!
War is called peace making, occupation peace keeping!
We kill children to save children!
We do not have an issue with your people (it is the tyrant we aim to kill) but people just keep getting in the way!
When our enemy kills civilians, this is a war crime; when we kill civilians, this is called collateral damage (and we apologize)!
I saw it on TV - therefore it is true!
User pays - you pay the spies that spy on you (Iraq paid for UNSCOM through the UN's food for oil program)!
The prosecutor is the judge and the jury and the executioner!
The judge has got the biggest gun - so the judge can judge!
If you only do everything the way you are told - you will not be bombed!
Ahhh, Madeleine... you pretty little flower!
We have better weapons - therefore, we are morally superior (God is on our side)!
We will teach you to behave - you brutish people!
We give you options - would you like to be occupied, or first bombed and then occupied?
You are not allowed to defend yourself - that is an act of aggression against us!
I bomb and shoot my terrorists, but my enemy's terrorist is a "liberation/freedom fighter"!
We bring you democracy by bombing you!
Inflame a civil war, then send in the "peace keepers"!

The emotional triggers for the brainwashed populace are the words: ethnic cleansing, humanitarian catastrophe, massacre, thyrant, dictator, democracy. And lots and lots of pictures of crying children. Just keep recycling these ad finitum.

Yes, I forgot the legitimacy phrase - "the international community" (stands for: one wolf and a couple of hyenas leading a herd of sheep)

Dare you not do what the wolf (US) and his hyeanas (Germany, England, France) ordered?
Booooooohm!

PRINCIPLES OF PEACE


Maja,

let US be at peace.
You and I, Jack and Maja - PEACE !

To get there is simple.
PLEASE join me.

Let's agree on some simple PRINCIPLES OF PEACE....

1. To kill is wrong
Whatever the historical and politicial background.

2. To BRUTALIZE is wrong
Whatever the historical and political background.

3. To RAPE is totally wrong
Whatever the historical or political background.

4. GENOCIDE is absolutely wrong
Whatever the historical or political background.

5. To DEPORT is wrong
Whatever the historical or political background.

6. ETHNICAL CLEANSING is wrong.
Whatever the historical or political background.

Maja, if you can agree to the above
we will find peace
If you are Serbian or not
Does not matter.
Just be HUMAN.

Let's celebrate life.

Join me..... it is an open invitation.

DdC

Happy you are back.

"How many roads must a man walk on ....
before they call him a man ....

"How many times must a man stand and watch
while Serbs rape his wife ....

"The answer my friend....
Is blowing in the wind

I'm just happy the wind carries bombs.

Maja, according to Albania, Serbs tried to fight on the Albanian side of the border. However, I think that you already knew that...

As far as them keeping what's their's, doesn't that change every time a NATO plane flies over?

Ddc

Have you ever pondered the idea
I mean .... of somebody raping your wife ?
Are you married?
If not, how about your sister ?
Not a happy idea ...
No sister ?
Do you have a mother ?

This is so - so very bad.
Just the idea pisses you off - does it not?
Don't even want to think about it.

It is happening..... SYSTEMATICALLY

SYSTEMATICALLY ---- every day.

Every day .... to selected women .... Albanian women.
The guys that do it call themselves soldiers
Even "warriors"
BRAVE SERB WARRIORS.

Bad thing man.
I can tell you are a man of peace.
Sorry to disturb your peaceful trip.
I am a man of peace - have always been.
But THIS makes me want to fight
and kick the •••• out of Serbs Police.

Maja,
On an intellectual level,
as a lawyer,
please give us some more information on

Serbia's October 1998 Information Act.

Stimulating freedom of press ?

Spiro, you might be onto something. I think I'll just forget that appendix operation tomorrow, move out of my air conditioned house and take up residence in a cave. That ought to make my personal emotional triggers more productive. Why go halfway around the world to kill someone, when I can just kill the neighbor?

Jack London,
I don't know if my answer to your previous post ever got through. Seems I get ip blocked after a while.
But I'm glad to hear your positive thoughts on cannabis. Now, concerning your next post you obviously haven't enduldged in a while.
Do you remember where mankind first dealt with rape? It was used as a spoils of war. Encouragement for young soldiers to fight harder. Marriage was for the old soldiers not fortunate enough to die in battle. Now you ask me ridiculous, meaningless questions in an attempt to make me a war monger. It won't happen Jack.
No one can justify rape, no one. Neither side is free from it, including ours. Do you know how many young boys will be raped in American prisons? In there for cannabis possession. How would you like it? Ridiculous Jack, no one wants rape. But if I share your discust for rape, why don't you share mine for killing? Do you think NATO cares about rape. Or killing? I think war sucks, period. I think I heard that the Serbian refugees kicked out were mainly refugees taken in during the Bosnian conflict. But, I will not justify what the Serbs did or NATO. But the bombs arn't changing a thing. We cannot govern the world by stealing cultures and replacing them with K-Marts, BigMacs and Americanization. NATO's birthday party will be terrorized, prompting an escallation. Then what will you preach Jack? Nuclear?
Please get real and stop propagandizing the west as Maja should stop propagandizing anti-Americanism. Remember Animal Farm. Who represents the pigs?
Peace not WoD
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DdC

An open letter to NATO and American Industrialist!
Stop profitting on the lives of these citizens of Kosovo! Stop this attempt at World Order by force and capitolism. Stop the Greed. Free the Weed!
Stop the Bombing. Serbs stop too!
PnW
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DdC

Come you masters of war

You that build all the guns

You that build the death planes

You that build the big bombs

You that hide behind walls

You that hide behind desks

I just want you to know

I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'

But build to destroy

You play with my world

Like it's your little toy

You put a gun in my hand

And you hide from my eyes

And you turn and run farther

When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old

You lie and deceive

A world war can be won

You want me to believe

But I see through your eyes

And I see through your brain

Like I see through the water

That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers

For the others to fire

Then you set back and watch

When the death count gets higher

You hide in your mansion

As young people's blood

Flows out of their bodies

And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear

That can ever be hurled

Fear to bring children

Into the world

For threatening my baby

Unborn and unnamed

You ain't worth the blood

That runs in your veins

How much do I know

To talk out of turn

You might say that I'm young

You might say I'm unlearned

But there's one thing I know

Though I'm younger than you

Even Jesus would never

Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question

Is your money that good

Will it buy you forgiveness

Do you think that it could

I think you will find

When your death takes its toll

All the money you made

Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die

And your death'll come soon

I will follow your casket

In the pale afternoon

And I'll watch while you're lowered

Down to your deathbed

And I'll stand o'er your grave

'Til I'm sure that you're dead

Bob Dylan

TO ALL YOU SERBS
YOU DO NOT EVEN RESPECT THE RED CROSS OR CARE THOSE WHO GONE TO YOUR BLOODY COUNTRY TO HELP NOT ONLY THE KOSOVO PEOPLE BUT THE SERBS ALSO
PLEASE LET THE 2 AUSTRALIAN GO THEY ARE ONLY HELPING YOU NOT SPYING AS YOU STATE. ANYWAY SPY ON WHAT?? THERE ARE NO SECRET THERE ANYMORE , EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT KIND OF MURDERERS YOU ARE. PLEASE , DO NOT BELIVE THE SERB PROPAGANDA MASHINE , LET THEM GO.

TO Ddc.
i wonder , how would you like when armed serbs knock on your door at mignight and take your father away , rape your mother and your 12 year old sister?? i do not think you would be happy at all , it happened to me and it was in 1948 not now just because we are a minority group in their federal republic of yugoslavia,
we did not ask to be part of that ... they took a big chunk out of our country and now call it
VOJVODINA, BACSKA, BANAT.
i have escaped from that hell in 1952 and now i live in a wonderfull country . and now those idiots in belgrad they are claiming that the 2 CARE WORKERS are spy. they are humanytarians only...

if you do not know what iam talking about please look at the world map soon you know what i am about . are we the next on the serbs cleansing list??[ i mean my relatives there]
i say to NATO finish them up once and for all . Just think off that my friend..

If anyone knows how I can stay in touch with a person in Belgrade in the event of severed electronic communications between Yugoslavia and the US, please contact me:
maitri@pacbell.net

thanks!