Maja, answer Sue. Who is throwing grenades at the children?
The US has pumped more money into third world countries trying to feed and clothe them than any other nation in the world. Why? You all hate our guts. I personally think we should let all of you ungrateful bums starve to death.

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That is why you hate the U.S.

Maja, your American plane that was shot down was an unmaned twin engine reconisance plane known as a "Hunter." More details at:
http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpin08.htm

phil

You guys working for Milosevic on the web here in circulating distortions, does he pay well or does he just threaten you with a bullet in the head?

Looks like Milo closed off all the borders of Kosovo. I guess it dawned on the dumb as*es that the refugees would tell where all his sh*t was hidden. Can't use the caves anymore. :o) phil

topic: Serbs = Milosevic ?

I see that some participants of this discussion are putting a sign of equality between the acts of Slobodan Milosevic and wishes of Serbian people. The conclusion is, simply put, something like "SM is a criminal, Serbian people voted for him and if they not throw him out these days, they should suffer!". No offence, but that viewpoint is pretty shortsighted and stands on the wrong premise that any nation can, and for sure will, "elect a government it deserves".

There are many ways to stay in power (or to be elected, in this case). Fact is, elections in Serbia in general were not-so-regular these last few years, and fact is, last elections were more irregular than ever. I'll give you some facts - 1.) Yugoslavia has approx. 7.200.000 voters and 2.) it takes 50% of them to vote to have a regular elections. On the government's own statements on these elections some 50,4% voted (or something like that), but it stands only if 300.000 election-boycotting Albanians voted also (!!). So, they were invalid? Probably, but western observers failed to note that and, despite the protests of opposition, have acknowledged them.

Milosevic, relieved from tension, enthusiastically starts (in fact, continues) to fortify his positions - step by step, he brings National Constitution to a farce and institutions to a nonsense, and tramples non-government media. Then his marionetic Constitution had passed a new laws about press and about universities, laws you probably cannot imagine, while Milosevic trampled media some more. Articles of that laws are drastic - for example, newspaperist can get punished, and they do get punished, if any group of citizen sues him for "injuring their national pride" or something similarly indetermined. Procedure is, typically, fast and punishments for newspaperists are, typically, draconic - most often they are equal to loss of one's whole property. Best of all, term of repay is 24 hours regardlessly of appeal. Shortly, unbeatable party if you are on the right end of the stick!

With Universities, things gone this way - first, the law about election of deans is passed. That law assured that no dean could be elected if not approved by Milosevic - simply, it's that kind of a law. When every faculty got a proper dean, there was passed a law that empowered dean to, without further questions, fire an unwanted professor. Who had no objections stayed, who objected soon was fired, with some rare exceptions. Needless to say, it all happened during the summer - when it's most difficult to organize the students for protests, especially without free media.

I believe you getting the picture now - picture about the ways Milosevic stays in charge. I didn't mentioned the police - you know about that already, right? Most of people can't wait to see Milosevics back, but the revolt is not likely to happen. This lack of will is caused partly because of stress and poverty whole society suffered from for years and especially because Milosevic has clearly shown that he will have no mercy in dealing with revolters. Especially now, in a war condition - analysts that expect something like that really have no idea about situation they talk about. And worst of all, it was also very predictable and obvious. Let me quote myself - day or two after the attack started I wrote:

In the meanwhile, people in my country are homogenizing, turning to defence and slowly forgetting their political differences. Milosevics media (which holds a lion's share of Yugoslavian informational room) keep satanizing USA and their politics for quite a time and these attacks gave them credibility - from now on, it would be very difficult to approach common people with story about goodwill of The West. The pressure Milosevic is putting on what's left of non-governmental media and opposition won't help either, and I hardly see a way to democratic forces of this country to succeed in changing things in near future. I fear this action closes a door for my country to become part of modern world union and locks an open wound on European territory - it might be neat for showing USA muscles every now and then, but on large scale we all lose. :(((

I don't know how long time or how many bombs should fall on us before the West accepts a simple truth - that you can't heal with hammer. As someone said:

"If all one has is a hammer, then each problem looks like a nail!"


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Someone asked about possible reasons for American intervention - I posted my view on it in March 31, 10:22 am.


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A group of people I know is trying to get an e-campaign going, campaign with a simple goal - to present to the world the opinions and thoughts of Serbian opposition, who's voice is now nowhere to be heard. Members of this group are mostly students of Belgrade University, and we all share the common idea - that it is never too late to move the things in right direction.

The working name of the project is "AMAN BRE!" (meaning "OH COME ON!"), and I invite anyone who want to receive our texts, analyses and such on mail to contact me. All the letters of support, new ideas or constructive critics will be warmly greeted.

Maja,
Clinton didn't say anything about the homeless people not wanting help. Have you ever been to a homeless shelter in America? Have you ever talked to a homeless person in America? Gee, I lived in the big city and I have. Imagine, I got it straight from the source!!!!!!

Cee Jay, I can't tell if you are talking to me or Jack. You quote Jack and then you include my question to Maja where I asked if she thought Malosovic's actions were right. Please clarify who you are talking to and restrict the post to one persons comments.

You can't combine Jack's comments and mine because we aren't the same person. I like the way that you play with history and statistics though. You could probably make someone who didn't know any better believe them...

Emil,
Not all Americans equate Serbians with Milosevic, just as all Americans do not = Clinton. I wish you luck in your quest for freedom and pray for your safety while acheiving it.

Maja, http://www.hud.gov/homeless.html is a good place to start if you want to know about America's efforts to combat homelessness. To get an idea as to what extent the problem of homlessness is being worked on go to:
http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&kl=XX&q=Homeless

Putting an exact number on just how many people are homeless in nearly impossible since they do not have "addresses" and many do not have Social Security numbers (usually use for tracking people.) But the number of web sites that advertize services for the homeless is amazing. There are a lot of resources being brought to bare on the problem. Only those who refuse to believe will fail to acknowledge that fact. phil

All I have to say is why are we in Kosovo when we have a perfectly good war going here at home? 1.3 million non violent citizens in jail, their families starving, our education budget cut into to support the drug war. What's wrong with this picture? Kay Lee

Why is NATO bombing Serbia? Read the Human Rights Report, this is not an American organization by the way, but Europen. Scroll down for the first page, then at the top there is an arrow that will take you to the next page until you get to the end. It's long but read the whole thing.
http://www.hrw.org/hrw/reports/1999/kosovo/index.htm

You should view the Serbiancafe sight its censorship on the web at its BEST. The serbian webmaster leaves all the pro serbian posts and deletes the other non "truths". During a war the first thing lost is the truth. Any other Forum sites that I have visited in the past all views were heard in forums. I guess the others were non serbian sites before.

What's the address?

Censor got me. I can only talk about GOPer war mongers and praising Klintoon or else they delete it.
So Guido, F/Y. Your rhetoric can be read in any American propaganda rag.
The war mongers will never change. The corporations that make the million dollar bombs rule this government of ours. Just like they keep cannabis from the people.
Guido Sarduchi made more sense than you Guido! Your nonsense about using biomass already growing should alert you to the corporate fossil fuels keeping cannabis illegal. And with the crops you mentioned you won't get 100,000 products. So your typical rhetoric cannabis phoebia is wrong. Just like the propaganda by the Serbs and Klintoon.
Get a life.
Peace not WoD
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