ps:
the post i referred to has been removed now.
many thanks, DMS.

L',

Hi. Just checking in at DMS to see if it's been resucitated or if it has indeed expired. Seems like the latter, eh?

BTW - is it good or bad that the post was removed? I never got a chance to read it, so have no idea.

just curious, like all my questions.

also BTW - sounds like Ocean Spray is a place to keep a low profile. Watch and listen. Be careful.

TGSB

warning noted/appreciated, m'sieu gunns.

the adder post was exactly like the sheiss barrage of last sunday.
you didnt miss much.

http://www.kforonline.com/news/updates/nu_01feb00.htm


KFOR Soldier Dies on Duty

"Yesterday at 9 p.m., a 23-year-old German KFOR soldier collapsed
on duty and was air evacuated to the German military hospital in
Prizren. Despite intensive efforts by doctors, he was pronounced
dead at 11:45 p.m. He died of natural causes. "


*** What kind of 'natural causes' at the age of 23 ?

Events and incidents in Kosovo during the last 24 hours:

Two Murders Reported
Two Albanian men burst into a café in Srbica (MNB North)
yesterday evening and opened fire with an automatic machine
gun. One Albanian man was killed in the attack. UNMIK Police are
investigating.

Yesterday evening in Pristina (MNB Centre), an Albanian woman
was killed and her male companion wounded in an attack. The
wounded man was taken to the Pristina hospital. Bystanders
have identified an Albanian male suspect who is still at large.
UNMIK police are investigating.

Weapons Confiscated; Arrests Made
Early yesterday morning, south of Glogovac (MNB Centre), KFOR
Canadian troops responded to shots that came from the direction
of an Albanian house. They discovered that the house had been
burgled and found two unexploded hand grenades. UNMIK police
are investigating the case.

KFOR UK troops arrested two people on weapons charges last
night and confiscated a pistol and a hand grenade. A subsequent
search of an apartment produced three more grenades and
another pistol.

Yesterday afternoon in Romaja (MNB South), KFOR troops
searched a house and confiscated a quantity of ammunition. The
owner had two registered hunting rifles.

On Monday afternoon in Klina (MNB West), KFOR troops carried
out searches of several Albanian-owned premises. They
confiscated five rifles, a machine gun, one pistol, three hand
grenades and ammunition. Three Albanian men were arrested.
KFOR Military Police are investigating.

Yesterday afternoon in Junik (MNB West), KFOR soldiers
confiscated a pistol and ammunition during a house search.




Shooting
One Albanian man was arrested by UNMIK police in Suva Reka
and charged with the shooting and injury of another Albanian.


http://www.kforonline.com/news/updates/nu_02feb00.htm

Jack Kelly: The chaos in Kosovo

Foreign Affairs Free Republic
http://www.post-gazette.com/
Published: Sunday, February 06, 2000 Author: Jack Kelly


Jack Kelly: The chaos in Kosovo
How many victories such as this can Americans stand?

Sunday, February 06, 2000


In a Christmas letter to family and friends, a senior executive of the police academy the United
States is running for the United Nations in Kosovo said:

Jack Kelly is national affairs writer for the Post-Gazette and The Blade of Toledo, Ohio. His e-mail
address is jkelly@post-gazette.com.


"This place is one big lawless s-hole. The Mafia is taking over and the police are losing control of the
population to the TMK/UCK. The U.N. police are about as effective as a fire in hell. . . . The Americans
want to do something but are always rejected because some tree hugging bleeding heart thinks
we're too oppressive in our law enforcement tactics. We want to do a good job, but politics and other
things won't let this happen. This place will turn out like Haiti and Bosnia."

This executive, who will not be named here in order to protect him from the wrath of the Clinton
administration, described in his letter the criminal activities of the TMK/UCK, the Albanian guerrillas
on whose behalf we intervened in Kosovo.

He went on to say: "Sometimes I think we backed the wrong side. We should have just let Slobo take
these idiots out . . . We now help the Albanian Kosovars with their ethnic cleansing of the Serbs.
Sometimes I wonder what the hell we are doing."

The police executive is not alone.

"We came here thinking we would help the Albanians, but it's been more of defending the Serbs," Col.
Stephen Hicks of the 82nd Airborne told a Washington Post reporter.

Serbs in Kosovo need more help than they've been getting, according to a 300-page report on human
rights abuses in Kosovo since NATO troops entered the province. The report, issued in December,
was prepared by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

"Human rights violations . . . include executions, abductions, torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading
treatment, arbitrary arrests and attempts to restrict freedom of expression," the OSCE report said.
"House burnings, blockades restricting freedom of movement, discriminatory treatment in schools,
hospitals, humanitarian aid distribution and other public services based on ethnic background, and
forced evictions from housing recall some of the worst practices of Kosovo's recent past."

A reporter for the Chicago Tribune watched a Serb woman, with tears streaming down her face,
complain to a patrol of 1st Infantry Division soldiers that Albanians had driven her from her home.

"I didn't do anything to hurt them," she said. Her family was leaving Kosovo, she said, because "no
one wants to die." Nearly a quarter of a million Serbs have left Kosovo since we came to make
peace.

James Bissett, who was Canada's ambassador to Yugoslavia from 1990 to 1992, thinks the Kosovo
war was a tragic blunder.

"The bombing . . . can be seen as an unmitigated failure with far-reaching implications for world
peace," Bissett wrote in the Toronto Globe & Mail.

"All the evidence shows that there were approximately 2,000 casualties in Kosovo up to the time of
the NATO bombing," Bissett said. "By contrast, the number of Yugoslavian civilians killed by the
NATO bombing is reckoned to be well above 2,000."

OSCE observers "have publicly stated that in the weeks leading up to the bombing they witnessed
no murders, no deportations and nothing that could be described as systematic persecution,"
Bissett said.

One of the observers, a former Czech foreign minister, testified that NATO was fully aware bombing
would force the Serbs to expel Kosovar Albanians as a military tactic, Bissett said.

"Yet our political leaders continue to tell us the bombing was designed to prevent - not cause -
ethnic cleansing," he said.

No sovereign state could accept the conditions of the infamous Rambouillet Accords, Bissett said.
Serb refusal to sign the document was the pretext for NATO bombing.

"NATO's illegal action has fractured the framework of world security that has existed since the end
of the Second World War," Bissett said. "It has destabilized the Balkans and alienated the other great
nuclear powers. . . . By forsaking diplomacy and resorting to force, NATO has reduced the
democratic countries of the West to the level of the dictatorships it was created to oppose."

President Clinton continues to describe Kosovo as a "great victory." How many more such
"victories" can this nation afford?

Madeleine Albright Mistaken For Cleaning Lady

Culture/Society Breaking News
Source: Wirebreak


Secretary of State Madeleine Albright was mistaken for a maid during last year’s peace negotiations
for Kosovo in Rambouillet, France. According to a report in the "New York Daily News," the Secretary
of State at first wasn’t recognized by the Albanian delegation when she walked into their room.

“One member of the delegation, who didn’t realize who she was, and probably thinking she was some
cleaning lady because it was after midnight, simply said to her, ‘Give us five minutes and please go
away,’” recalled Albanian diplomat Dugagjin Gorani in War on Europe, a British TV program. Instead,
Albright exploded in rage, swearing at the group, according to the reports.

“Mrs. Albright started using explicit language which the translators never could translate into
Albanian,” says Veton Surroi, another member of the delegation.


An insult to all honorable cleaning ladies
everywhere!

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/dailynews/mattersofstate.html

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a38a19187322e.htm

i should go tell m'sieu Gunns you're here,
daniela, if you didnt already.

No, I haven't.
You both missed me? Or, just him .

daniela,
yeah, i did drop him a line to the effect that you
were back.

whether or not 'miss' is the appropriate word for
me...i dunno. you're the betrothed of someone i
had a regrettable sequence of exchanges with. but
=our= last echange wasnt hostile, re: matthesson
the clown.

if i was to not feel constantly flogged simply by
virtue of being american (with ZERO involvemement
in politics or the military) then i wont snap at
you.
we all did that for months. i dont wanna do it
anymore.
whew.

Hi Daniela,

Heard you were back from L'menex. Where have you been? We missed you. Seems everyone deserted this place about the same time.

Actually, I kind of miss everyone from this site. Having spent considerable time at the Serbian Cafe discussions, I appreciate the fairly high-level fights and disagreements we had here. It was tame, tame, tame compared to what goes on in the Cafe.

Hell, I even miss the multi-faceted (dimensional?) Dr. D/Kolina/Emina/Nalini and sent word to her through L'men to that effect and that there were no hard feelings. Does that make me a softie? She says she'll never come back. We'll see.

Yes, L'men and I have been communicating for a while. He's not such a bad guy, really; rather interesting. [that's for your benefit, L :O)]

Interesting, isn't it, how the Kosovo story is unfolding? All NATO's, Blair's, Clinton's, Albright's lies are unravelling. Even so, they'll NEVER admit it. To do so would require they be prosecuted for the bloody war criminals they are. When we have a Secretary of State who says on national television that the deaths of half a million Iraqi children per year is an acceptable price to achieve her/their goals (whatever they are?), then it's evident we're in deep trouble.

Now that I know you're back and there's activity on DMS I'll check in more often. I'm going over to the Serbian Cafe now to see what some of the vile characters have been up to today. My regards to Nick. Hope you are both well.

T'gunns

egads....two wrong spellings in that post of mine:
'exchange'
'involvement'

i'll work on that.