Guys, guys, dont' go to sleep yet! Just look at the piece below! Wakie wakie!!!!
Balkan spies infiltrate the Hague

Richard Norton-Taylor
Thursday July 22, 1999
The Guardian

Balkan spies have tried to infiltrate the United Nations war crimes
tribunal in the Hague to influence its proceedings and track witnesses,
according to the Dutch security service.

Its annual report says that "several agencies" have been involved,
Reuters news agency reported. The previous year's report singled out Croatia.

"They were aiming to influence the tribunal. We signalled to these
agencies that they should abstain," a spokesman for the security service said.

The report expresses concern about potential interference in future
high profile war crimes trials. The Yugoslav president, Slobodan
Milosevic, the former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic and his
army commander Ratko Mladic have
been indicted.

"There are concerns about the risk of attack and attempts to free
accused," the report says. The Dutch have offered security advice
to the tribunal and screened some staff.

To: Emina

Re: Dindic. (I know, I misspelled his name - don't know the correct spelling.)

Really don't know much about particulars of his stay. IMHO, in view of recent events (and those poor 14 Serbians gunned down on a field, and that phony "surrender" of KLA arms, and boosted
exodus of Serbs, and NATO/UN PR hype shockwaving) all opposition in reality opposes only that stiff, rigid, unbending, stuffed-looking figurehead, i.e. Mr. Milo, i.e. the face of the
country.

To Kissie.

At first glance you would think the opposition was only against Slob and his cronies, and at first it WAS. Only it is not anymore. More and more people are beginning to see beyond the wall of propaganda in Serbia, and even high ranking military are beginning to wonder about the scale and persistency of the demonstrations.

People in Serbia are beginning to realise that their 'figurehead' who ellbowed himself info power around ten years ago, needs to be removed in order to be replaced by someone who can bring much desired democracy to Serbia. It was a broad cry heard in demonstrations before the bombing already, now it goes on.

BTW, my info not only comes form American or English media, also from Bosnian, and independant Serbian sources. What are yours?

TO KISSIE.
By Kissie on Sunday, July 25, 1999 - 08:37 pm:
To: Emina

Re: Dindic. (I know, I misspelled his name - don't know the correct spelling.)

It is spelled right only non serbs write the name with a DJ.They don't know how are aphabet is .So no worries there.

About the 14 people shot down.I think its tragic, cause it shows us that there's still"only" room for revenge.Thing only is that im not intirely sure the UCK is behind this as they are helping KFOR gathering evidence of the mascarres on both sides.There is however a group that separated themselves from the people who did hand in there guns and are doing well at the moment.Most likely these are the people responsible for the brutal murders.
I say most likely because the people whom i am in contact with are still on it.

About Milosevic Zoja's statement is correct people are demonstrating like they did in 95 already.Then they demonstrated, cause they suspected temoring with the way Milosevic got to stay in place"power" Now the demonstrations go on widely goes people want him to go.Not only cause he lost wars, but also for the fact that he put the clock back for Serbia lets say 30 years. They are blaming him for destroying the country,for giving Serbian people a bad name.Even when they did nothing wrong.Of course im not speaking here of the likes of Arkan and many others who's quild drips from there faces.

Emina

Did you know that John-John Kennedy didn't shower before leaving for the wedding.

I guess he just figured he would wash up on the beach.

yo charlie
nothing personal, but not only was yr "joke" not relevant to the topic at hand, but if what i wanted to read tasteless "jokes" about this fellow's tragic death i coulda gone to more than one AOL chat room, where they were numerous during the search for, and discovery of, the three bodies.
this is an odd place to make ANY such "jokes", isnt it?
not that i have no sense of humor. but i am not amused.

Sorry L'menexe. NOT!

i could care less whether or not you're sorry, dude.doesnt make your ==koff== joke any more appropriate for this discussion.

Charlie.
Sorry i know your a good guy , meaning good at heart, but even i think the joke is off scale.

Emina

WAVE OF SICKNESS SWEEPS SERB TOWN MADE TOXIC BY NATO BOMBS
The Independent, 7/23/99
By Steve Crawshaw in Pancevo, Serbia


THE ECOLOGICAL time bomb is ticking. Nobody knows when or how it will explode.

For the moment, the visible effects are almost routine. In recent weeks many people in the Serbian town of Pancevo have come out in red blotches
and blisters, after lying in the grass for a few minutes, for example, or after picking vegetables. Theoretically it could be just a common batch of
allergies. But, says Zoran Nedic, dermatologist and secretary of the health committee in Pancevo, "I've never seen anything on this scale."

The number of skin problems has doubled in recent weeks. Dr Nedic sees this as the tip of the iceberg.

A United Nations mission, led by the former Finnish environment minister Pekka Haavisto, has been in Pancevo this week to assess the potentially
devastating scale of the problem. Everybody in Pancevo, a town of 150,000, shares the fear of what they describe as the ekologicheska katastrofa
- Nato bombing of the town has unleashed a poisonous cocktail of thousands of tons of toxic chemicals into the water, air and soil.

The fertiliser factory was bombed, releasing huge amounts of ammonia into the air and into the Danube. The oil refinery was repeatedly bombed:
20,000 tons of crude oil were burnt up in one bombardment alone, and a cloud of black smoke hung in the air for 10 days. The petrochemicals
factory was bombed: 1,400 tons of ethylene dichloride poured into the Danube, and high concentrations of vinyl chloride, the main constituent of
PVC, were released into the atmosphere at more than 10,000 times the permitted level.

And so it goes on. The official list of environmental damage runs to six closely typed pages, from the first bombing raid, on 24 March, to the last, on
8 June.

Each of these events separately would, in ordinary times, set environmental alarm bells ringing. When combined in a multiple cataclysm - in the early
hours of 18 April, several factories were bombed within a few minutes of each other - the effects are incalculable.

As Dr Nedic points out: "Never in history have a petrochemicals factory, an oil refinery and a fertiliser factory all been on fire during a single day."
He predicts that cancer rates will be "sharply up" in the years to come.

Dr Sava Stajic, of the Pancevo Society against Cancer, notes that cancer levels were already higher than average in the area because of the
industrial pollution from the factories in previous years.

But he, too, argues that there will be an "epidemic increase" because of the hundreds of thousands of tons of "highly toxic and carcinogenic
chemicals" that have been released - including uncertain quantities of chlorine, mercury, hydrocarbons, ammonia, nitrogen and sulphur oxides,
phosphorous compounds and hydrogen halides. It is a case of "name a toxic chemical, and it is on the list".

The mayor of Pancevo, Srdjan Mikovic, deeply resents Nato's willingness to bomb the town without consideration for the effects - what he
describes as "a serious intention to kill the town". He and the city council represent the anti-Milosevic opposition. But he argues that the
destructive bombing of the town has done much to destroy pro-Western feeling.

He points to a cupboard where he has stowed the British and American flags that he used to keep on his desk.

"We received their ambassadors here. We never dreamed that these countries might bomb us."

Certainly there can be no chance to plead ignorance of the implications. Many factories were built and installed by Western companies. After the
fires, "black rain" fell on Pancevo and the surrounding area, covering plants with a slimy layer. There was an official warning against eating
vegetables fresh and without careful washing. But most fear that the longer-term effects will be much more drastic than the problems of coping
with greasy lettuce. The Danube may have been affected downstream into Romania. Crop changes in the surrounding area seem inevitable.

The black jokes abound. How do children in Pancevo count to 30? By counting on the fingers of both hands.

Dr Nedic argues that talk of biological change is more than just fantasy. "A lot of the chemicals released are not just carcinogens but can also
cause mutation," he said.

To: Zoja

What changes? More Gigs of bandwidth for B-whatever (all's good, if not B52)? Flexibility
with Chernogoriya?..., ... . But how does that opposition treat Kosovo?Does that opposition say "We lost it, forget it all"?How does the opposition treat the
territorial issue of Kosovo?How does the opposition treat the defence and border issue of Kosovo?How does the opposition treat the Groatian and Bosnian fallout?It's kind of tough to treat these issues as passing wind, -
shouting about Mr. Milo, Gigs and "democracy" is easier and populistic. (So far, I haven't heard of any constructive program from any opposition.)

I don't trust Bosnian sources.

The networks still don't seem to adhere to restraints, happily "rewriting" political realities: it's not the first time I hear "... liberation of Kosovo...", "... Kosovo
was liberated...", etc., - "liberated" from whom? The Serbian territory liberated of Serbs?Another way of "keeping" Serbs from fleeing Kosovo - denying them convoy protection under some pretext, thus keeping them ghettoed and... in Kosovo. (For statistical theatre.) Warsaw.Tachi said some BS about
completion of disarmament - that kept me amused for a half day. A good stage performance of handing over obsolete or broken weaponry.Miss Piggy paid a visit, and that amused me too:
she was brilliant in her politically irresponsible speech. Her car got stoned by Serbs.

How's this for Miss Piggy????? She even fancies herself a bit of a Madonna. I recall a reporter's description of her at a press conference - wearing a very tight, short skirt that rose to displayed for all the males ample amounts of fleshy thigh.

It was bad enough for us (USA) to have Clinton as president, now we have a hooker for secretary of state???????

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Yahoo! News Wednesday July 28 10:26AM EDT

Albright Sends 'Clone' To Sing

By Carol Giacomo

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - After spirited performances two years running, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright again produced the unexpected for a closing dinner skit at an Asian leaders conference - a drag clone of herself.

Albright actually had to leave Singapore early for Rome so she could visit Kosovo Thursday and Bosnia Friday for a summit on Balkans stability.

So Tuesday night's U.S. musical review at the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) annual dinner featured a stand-in: Assistant Secretary of Defense Kurt Campbell.

He was dressed as Albright singing a spoof called "Lone Superpower'' to the tune of an old American classic, "Home on the Range.''

In a taped video message that opened the skit, Albright apologized for not being there herself.

But she said "American technology can achieve miracles ... Before leaving Singapore, I had myself cloned. And I have left behind Madeleine II... who combines the modesty of (ex-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger with the shyness of Madonna - me.''

Campbell, posing as Albright and wearing clothes similar to hers, proceeded to playfully exult about American hegemony.

Hegemony is something the United States is often faulted for in the post-Cold War era, including an unexpected attack on this very point Tuesday by the Chinese foreign minister during the formal (and serious) part of the ASEAN conference.

"Lone, lone superpower/From Pristina to Port Au Prince Haiti,'' reads one verse of the song, in which Campbell was supported by a chorus of other U.S. officials.

"Some countries complain/We feel their pain/But we're sticking with hegemony.''

As always with the performances during Albright's tenure, the Americans make fun of almost everyone - themselves included - and the verses often contain more than a grain of truth.

Some other verses:

"Oh, give me a home/Where the peacekeepers roam
"And the tariffs are lowered each day
"Where the people can vote/And the currencies float
"And the countries all do what we say ''I've met for some time/With the sheriff from China
"Our positions they sometimes conflict
"But we don't come to blows/As our soccer team knows
"We resolve things with penalty kicks''
"To my old friends in Asia/From Japan to Malaysia
"I dedicate this cowgirl song
"And to old North Korea/We really don't fear ya'
"Cause your missile is called the No Dong''

For many years, the U.S. skit at the dinner was decidedly uninspired. But In 1997 when she became secretary of state, Albright infused originality into the task, winning rave reviews for a performance based on the musical "Evita.''

In 1998 she teamed up with then-Russian Foreign Minister Yevgeny Primakov for a spoof on the musical "West Side Story'' re-named "East-West Story.''

U.S. officials briefly considered doing something with the Chinese this year but given the state of their relations, neither side seemed ready for that.

To Kissie.

I would advise you to surf the Net and find some opposititon sites. For someone with such strong arguments your lack of knowledge surprises me.

First of all, there are some Bosnian sources you can trust. One of which is the magazine DANI, meaning DAYS in Bosnian. Dani is an independant magazine, having kept its independance throughout all the years of war. It still has a difficult existance, because the not yet democratic govenrment is breathing in their necks, but they manage, and their reports are good quality and accurate.

http:www.bhdani.com/

Same story goes for the magazine called Svijet, World, which is a bit more moderate of tone, but still very independant and accurate.

http://www.svijet.com .

For the rest the opposition IS doing far more than shouting in demonstrations for Slob Milo to go. But that's behind the surface. Oppsosition in Serbia can still kill you, you know, so most of the 'real' work is harder to spot. Besides that, US and European popular media have the tendencey only to show demonstrations. The rest doesn't make a nice enough picture. However, if you look a bit harder, you will get to know.

Furtheromre it would be arrogant to dimiss the demonstrators as shouters. Holding demonstrations, even attending demonstrations in the fringes can also get you in big trouble. Even if all they would shout was 'Slob go'. For even shouting just that can get you killed or tortured or both. The fact that the police does not really fight the demonstrations is nor relevant. They, but more the army is watching, registering the participants, but, affraid for now, because the eyes of the world are on Serbia. However, as soon as they get the chance, they will go for it.

Meaning demonstrating is a much an act of courage in Serbia than making political plans.

Zoja

Something to add.....
OPPOSITION DRAFTS STABILITY PLAN FOR SERBIA. Some 17
economists, opposition leaders, intellectuals, and
representatives of the Serbian Orthodox Church announced
in Belgrade on 27 July that they have drafted a
stability plan for Serbia, Reuters reported. The text
calls for a package of political and economic reforms.
The first step would be to set up a transitional
government with a one-year mandate to create the legal
and political conditions for free and democratic
elections. A spokesman for the group stressed that
Serbia must avoid what he called a "Bucharest scenario,"
a reference to the violent overthrow of Romanian
dictator Nicolae Ceausescu in December 1989.