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(@daniela)
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"It would be some time before I fully realised that the United States sees little need for
diplomacy. Power is enough. Only the weak rely on diplomacy ... The Roman Empire had
no need for diplomacy. Nor does the United States.''

--United Nations Secretary-General
Boutros Boutros-Ghali


   
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Solzhenitsyn compares NATO to Hitler

"Hurling aside the United Nations and trampling its Charter, NATO proclaimed to
the whole world and to the next century an ancient law -- the law of the jungle: he
who is mighty is completely right. If you are technically superior, excel your
condemned opponent in violence a hundredfold. And they want us to live in a
world like this from now on. In the sight of humanity a beautiful country is being
destroyed while civilized governments applaud. And desperate people leave
bomb shelters and come out as living targets to die for the salvation of Danube
bridges... Is this not antiquity? I do not see why Clinton, Blair, and Solana would
not tomorrow burn and drown them."

Alexander Solzhenitsyn, April 8, 1999

NATO bombs Varvarin Bridge and kills eleven civilians

List of civilian casualties caused by NATO bombing


"MOSCOW (AP) _ Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Russian writer and Nobel Peace Prize laureate, said Wednesday that
NATO's bombardment of Yugoslavia was morally no different than Hitler's actions.

``I don't see any difference in the behavior of NATO and of Hitler,'' he was quoted as saying by the Interfax news
agency.

``NATO wants to erect its own order in the world, and it needs Yugoslavia simply as an example: `We'll punish
Yugoslavia, and the whole rest of the planet will tremble,''' he told reporters.


   
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http://wsws.org/articles/1999/may1999/kla-m29.shtml

Ethnic cleansing and the KLA

In a grisly glimpse of his plans as KLA commander, Ceku was quoted in
a BBC translation of a Croatian news report saying, “There is only one
way out. And we have advocated it from the very beginning: a final
defeat of the Serbian army and its expulsion from Kosovo; a defeat
similar to the one they suffered in Croatia.” This statement is tantamount
to calling for the expulsion of all Serbs from Kosovo.

In an interview with the London Sunday Times, Ceku called for an open
alliance with NATO, "Our guerilla war will permit us to act all around
Kosovo to achieve the goal of expelling the enemy from our country ...
but a military ground intervention by alliance forces is the key for
defeating what is the last dictatorship in Europe.... The co-ordination of
NATO's military efforts with the KLA general staff would have a strong
impact on ending the war."

Ceku's appointment is a declaration of war against the Serb population in
Kosovo. His comments reveal the KLA is aiming to establish an
Albanian ethnically pure Kosovo by terrorizing and expelling Serbs in
much the same way as was done in the Krajina. The other non-Serb
minorities in Kosovo, including Bulgarians, Albanian Christians and
Romany (Gypsies) would likely face the same fate at the hands of a KLA
regime.

Two BBC reports confirm this underlying intention of the KLA. "The
KLA believes that either through war or by peaceful means,
independence is inevitable. It would surely be hastened if no more Serbs
lived in the land they cherish as the cradle of their civilization.... Its goal is
to unite the Albanians of Kosovo, Macedonia and Albania into a greater
Albania."

A Jane's Defence Weekly report underlines this point. "Despite denials
by the ethnic Albanian leaders, there is no doubt that, situated as they are
close to the Albanian frontier, the temptations of a future tie-up with a
Greater Albania remain high on the agenda."

Another Jane's report underscores the role of the KLA as a creature of
NATO:

"It is neither yet a proper army nor has it managed to expel the much
stronger Serbian police and military forces, but its status has been raised
by its acceptance by the international community as the rightful participant
in the negotiating process ... should the Serbian authorities accept the
Kosovo Interim Agreement, the political arm of the KLA would
transform into the Kosovo Liberation Party. The requisite political
wisdom and resourses to take on a civilian role without surrendering its
position to the previous civilian structures of the Kosovo Albanians are
already in evidence."


   
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The buildup of KLA forces

The timing of Ceku's appointment is also significant. With the failure thus
far of NATO's bombing campaign to force the Yugoslav government to
capitulate, moves have been under way to strengthen the KLA and
prepare for a possible ground invasion.

The BBC and Newsweek magazine report this week that President
Clinton has approved CIA training of the KLA to carry out sabotage
within Yugoslavia. According to Newsweek the CIA will be training the
KLA in "age-old tricks like cutting telephone lines, blowing up buildings,
fouling gasoline reserves and pilfering food supplies—in an effort to
undermine public support for the Serbian leader and damage Yugoslav
targets that can't be reached from the air."

US National Security Adviser Sandy Berger secretly briefed members of
the House and Senate Intelligence committees on these plans the week
that Ceku's appointment was made public. US officials are consciously
creating the conditions for a massacre of Kosovo Serbs in the same
fashion as those organized by Ceku in Croatia. Newsweek says,
"Intelligence officials also worry it would be difficult to control the
US-trained rebels once boot camp is over and they are set loose on
Milosevic." They quote a former chief of intelligence planner for the US
Air Force, "I'm afraid they could use their training to carry out atrocities...
If they think they can rein them in, it's tremendous naivete."

The KLA have suffered significant losses at the hands of the Yugoslav
Army and have been unable to play the role expected of them by
NATO. It is estimated that fewer than 4,000 KLA fighters are left in
isolated areas of Kosovo, far less than the 24,000 the KLA claimed to
previously have under its control. Military strategists see Ceku's
appointment as necessary to accomplish a number of NATO objectives
of which the transformation of the KLA is essential for military, financial
and political reasons.

The KLA ranks in Albania have swelled from a number of sources over
the last two months. Recruitment is being carried out in Britain and the
US while an estimated 10,000 have arrived in Albania, mainly from
Germany, Switzerland, France and Austria. Reuters has reported that the
KLA is also forcing male Kosovar refugees to join its ranks.

Jane's reported that US military Special Forces and British SAS were
fighting alongside the KLA inside Kosovo. The French news agency
Agence France Presse reported earlier this month on the deaths of three
French army paratroop officers who were killed in a clash with the
Yugoslav army while commanding a KLA unit trying to cross into
Kosovo from the Albanian border.

The US-NATO backing to the KLA and its new military leader is the
most telling refutation of the claims made to justify the war. While NATO
and the US government have said that the bombing of Yugoslavia has
been necessary to stop ethnic cleansing they have given their support to a
general who is responsible for what was, before the NATO bombing, the
worst pogrom in the Balkan conflict.


   
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(@emina)
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Will see if Milosevic gets removed.Sad thing is Like a Serbian friend of mine said"It will never be peace with Milosevic, or without Milosevic"
Emina


   
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(@trelavance)
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yo nick...


i grew up in the marines, thank you very much (for nothing)... my father worked w/gen westmoreland on the Deckhouse 5 and Deckhouse 6 beach landings circa '67...was interviewed on the TODAY show around that time...he would retire as HQ commander of 'pendleton in the early '80s, with severe arthritis in his hands, one year short of promotion to general...and i think of how often i'd been on the receiving end of those hands, and i don't have me a DAMNED bit o'sympathy for him.


we havent spoken in many years and are unlikely to ever do so again.


but your sweeping generalities regarding americans are wicked lame, in the vernacular. if you're basing your view of americans on what the american media pukes out to the rest of the world, perhaps it serves you right to be so wrong.


i read in the BOSTON GLOBE this morning about cluster bombs killing hundreds of yugoslav soldiers...it wasnt even worthy of page one: "well, y'know, we looked down and there they were, clumped together, so we fragged 'em". god i hate this...and there doesnt seem to be much more for me to do than sit here and type about how much i hate this...


it's not like i otherwise care about what happened to those yugoslav soldiers, but now we speak of killing them in increments of 100 and it's unworthy of page 1. i guess the next stage will be increments of 1000...


there are PLENTY of americans looking up from their myriad of dy1Ý€y@ ABSOLUTELY Hy1`SICK over this whole rotten mess and you might do well to bear that in mind.


   
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(@L'menexe)
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yeah..."TresLaVance" by any other name...


the wrecked portion of the above posting was intended to be:


"...americans looking up from their myriad of diversions who are ABSOLUTELY HEARTSICK..."


that had been bothering me all day.


peace


(stop laughing)


   
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 maja
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A slight delay, please, for NATO's next war

Washington Times
06/08/99 Wes Pruden

We were expecting to see NATO cruise missiles saving Tibet by bombing Beijing by now, cleaning the clocks of the Chinese
ethnic cleansers.

We know that China is next on NATO's to-do list, it must be, it has to be, because Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, who never
imagined that playing Audie Murphy and John Wayne with real guns could be this much fun, told us six weeks ago that the
reason we have to destroy Kosovo to save it is only to stop Slobodan Milosevic's brutal ethnic cleansing. Mr. Clinton told a
labor-union rally in Washington the day he unleashed his bombers that blowing Yugoslavia back to the Bronze Age is necessary
to make sure that Europe had someone to do business with.

But a funny thing happened to our guys on the way to the cellar to select a suitably celebratory vintage of Mumms. The Serbs
balked, and the Chinese ethnic cleansers thus get a reprieve.

Nobility can play no favorites, and unless Mr. Clinton wants the United States to stamp itself indelibly as the raging bully of the
West and to stamp himself as the coward of the county --which of course he would never, ever do -- he'll have to avenge
Tibet, too. China has raped that luckless little Shangri-La far more brutally, inflicting far more death and depravity and
populating far more graveyards, than Slobo has done in Kosovo. And Slobo never even stole our nuclear secrets. (But of
course he never financed a Clinton presidential campaign, either.)

But if civilizing mainland China, which is big enough to hit back, can wait, bombing Yugoslavia, which is small and helpless
enough to make an ideal target for bullies, can't. Madeleine Albright, the Roseanne Barr of New Age statecraft, flew off to
Bonn yesterday as NATO's bombers resumed their attack on the usual targets -- old folks' homes, gynecological clinics,
prisons, hospitals, apartment houses, refugee convoys, the occasional embassy and maybe the capital of Bulgaria again. She
promised "a peaceful resolution" of the war she helped ignite 11 weeks ago. A "peaceful" resolution to the accompaniment of
bombs? Words mean whatever you want them to mean in Mr. Clinton's Washington.

Bill and Tony stayed on the trans-Atlantic telephone most of yesterday, trying to patch up the "implementation talks" that
collapsed on Sunday night. So their war isn't over yet. NATO's bombs have made a rubbled wasteland of Kosovo, but
nobody in Washington or London dares call it peace. Neither Bill nor Tony is that shameless. Not yet.

Mr. Milosevic's stall might even be a little serendipity for the Tony twins. Once the euphoria and the champagne in Washington
and London wear off, as euphoria and the effects of champagne always do, it won't be quite so easy to portray the end of the
war as a triumph of the will. What it may be is the first American war to end with both a bang and a whimper.

Mr. Milosevic, in fact, is getting pretty much what he wants, minus a lot of Kosovars that Bill and Tony got rid of for him. He's
got the Russians involved, better for him and worse for us; he got the reintroduction of some Serbian military forces into
Kosovo, and he won the elimination of any hint of independence for the Kosovar province. The international force is excluded
from Serbia and Montenegro; the integrity of Yugoslavia is guaranteed; there is no room for a meaningful referendum. Not a
bad day's work, and these are concessions squeezed from Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, not Slobodan Milosevic.

Not only that, but NATO will have to contend with the KLA, likely to be embittered and spoiling to make someone's life
miserable for it. The United Nations "peacekeepers," as we will call them even though the word mocks the reality, since there
will be no peace to keep, will land in hostile terrain. Mr. Clinton and his clueless secretary of state can call it "permissive" all day
long, but it will be anything but.

Mr. Clinton seems to think the KLA is made up of freedom fighters, something like a Balkans Viet Cong. He would know
better if he had not scuttled off to hide out in London when his country called a quarter of a century ago.

The "peacekeeping" force will be plagued by ambiguities of control and command. The Russians will arrive with their own
commanders, and if the Russians get them, why not everybody else? The Rambouillet accords, which we were told we had a
duty to get excited about only yesterday, are history.

But there will be work to do, mopping up the blood and cleaning up the wreckage wrought by the Tony twins, binding up the
wounds of children and persuading the 900,000 Kosovars we made into refugees to return to the scene of the crime.

Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, having made "peace" in the Balkans, can't wait to march toward the sound of guns somewhere else.
We can wait.

(Wesley Pruden is editor in chief of The Times.)


   
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 maja
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Differences Between
Ahtisaari-Chernomyrdin Agreement
With Milosevic and the Rambouillet Text
At the moment it remains uncertain whether the NATO-Yugoslav agreement will survive NATO's efforts to
remold it to an earlier, failed, incarnation, and Belgrade's efforts to delay. But assuming that the agreement
negotiated with Slobodan Milosevic and the Yugoslav authorities by Martti Ahtisaari and Viktor Chernomyrdin
holds and is in fact implemented, it is possible that some of the objectives set by the U.S., UK, and NATO may
be reached - at least for a while. On the official level those goals include ending the on-going violence and
instability in Kosovo; minimizing the impact of the refugee crisis on regional stability and NATO's credibility; and
weakening the Yugoslav military and economy (the only goal realized so far).

Broader but unofficial U.S. goals included asserting U.S. indispensability and indeed domination within Europe,
achievable largely through militarizing the "solutions" to security problems, and asserting the primacy of NATO as
the global enforcer authorized both to grant credentials for and to implement international interventions. The effect
would be to replace the singular legitimacy of the UN with a new, broader role for NATO. But with uncertainties
remaining about whether the current agreement will actually set in motion any kind of peace and/or refugee-return
process, and with UN centrality reasserted (however grudgingly) in its text, it is less certain that those unofficial
U.S. goals will be met. In fact, it may turn out that this Yugoslav debacle begins a serious erosion of NATO's
credibility and power, despite the U.S.-UK efforts to the contrary.

The Ahtisaari/Chernomyrdin accord was negotiated with Yugoslavia officially on behalf of the G-8 and the
European Union, not NATO. While it includes many of the same provisions as the failed Rambouillet text, it
differs in a number of key respects. The significance of those differences lies in the crucial question of whether an
agreement, functionally indistinguishable from the current Ahtisaari/Chernomyrdin accord, might have been
achievable months earlier, without the devastation of Yugoslavia and the escalation of the anti-Albanian "ethnic
cleansing" in Kosovo wrought by NATO's bombing campaign. The point of such an examination lies in exposing
the lie of the "humanitarian necessity defense" claimed by Washington and London to justify their illegality in
waging NATO's war.



WHAT'S MOSTLY THE SAME
Both call for an end to violence & repression in Kosovo, and an end to NATO bombing
Creation of an international protection force, including NATO troops as major part
Right of return for all refugees & displaced Kosovars
Official recognition of territorial integrity of Yugoslavia




WHAT'S DIFFERENT
Rambouillet Text
Ahtisaari/Chernomyrdin Agreement
NATO force, NATO command and control; no UN oversight
beyond the Security Council being "invited to pass a resolution
under Chapter VII of the Charter endorsing and adopting the
arrangements" made by NATO to establish the NATO force.
International peacekeeping force "under UN auspices" which
would act "according to Chapter 7 of the UN Charter."
International security presence to have "substantial NATO
participation" and "unified command and control." Understood to
include Russian, other non-NATO participation, though "unified"
command structure not further clarified
NATO personnel to have "free and unrestricted passage and
unimpeded access throughout the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia"
The international deployment is only "in Kosovo," not throughout
Yugoslavia.
Interim Kosovo autonomy, then public referendum on
independence in three years in the form of "a mechanism for a
final settlement for Kosovo, on the basis of the will of the people."
"Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo...which the
UN Security Council will decide" based on "substantial autonomy"
for the people of Kosovo "within the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia;" no reference to future independence.
Allowed thousands of Serb military personnel (at least 2500) to
remain in Kosovo
"Verifiable withdrawal from Kosovo of all military, police and
paramilitary forces." After the withdrawal "an agreed number of
Serb personnel will be allowed to return" for purposes of liaison
with international peacekeepers, marking mine fields,
"maintaining a presence at" Serb heritage sites, and "maintaining
a presence" at key border crossings. "Return of personnel...will be
limited to a small agreed number--hundreds, not thousands."
Return of refugees responsibility of NATO.
International force authorized to "secure safe environment for all
residents in Kosovo and enabling safe return of displaced persons
and refugees" but "safe and free return of all refugees and
displaced under the supervision of UNHCR."
No explicit mention of KLA
"Demilitarization of the Kosovo Liberation Army" as part of
"political process directed at reaching interim political
agreement;" does not say "disarming," and assumed to refer to
giving up tanks, etc., not full disarmament.




WHO GAVE UP WHAT
AS RESULT OF NATO'S BOMBING CAMPAIGN?
What Milosevic Gave Up
What NATO Gave Up
Can keep only 100s, not 1000s of troops in Kosovo
Milosevic indicted for war crimes at UN tribunal
International force under UN, not NATO auspices
International force deployed only in Kosovo, not throughout
Yugoslavia
UNHCR, not NATO, supervises return of refugees.
No referendum on Kosovo independence.
KLA to be demilitarized


   
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 maja
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``If he embraces the principles of Rambouillet,'' Defense Secretary William Cohen said on
March 25 as the bombing began, ``then all of this can stop.'' But in the end, the peace
agreement did not embrace Rambouillet. The two conditions that were the deal-breakers
for Milosevic are nowhere to be found. First, there is no mention of a referendum on
Kosovo's sovereignty after three years, which the Rambouillet agreement promised and
which was widely expected to lead to Kosovo's independence. Instead, the current plan
endorses ``the principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity'' of Yugoslavia. When
Gen. Hugh Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was asked whether the
17,000-strong Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) had consented to be demilitarized, as is
called for in the agreement, he replied: ``As you know, they did, in fact, sign up at
Rambouillet and that included a demilitarization.'' But without the carrot of independence,
it is both naive and dangerous for the administration to pretend that the KLA will just give
up the fight. And the Serbs know that.

The other deal-breaker at Rambouillet was the ``military clause,'' according to which
``NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft and
equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the federal
republic of Yugoslavia, including associated airspace and territorial waters.'' Milosevic
was never going to accept such a de facto occupying force throughout Yugoslavia. Under
the new plan, he won't have to. Moreover, as the third principle in the peace plan makes
clear, ``deployment in Kosovo ... of effective international civil and security presences''
would be ``under U.N. auspices.''

That was such a fundamental shift from Rambouillet, which called for the peacekeeping
force in Kosovo to be under the exclusive command of NATO, that Cohen took pains to
pretend it had not happened. ``There can be only one command structure,'' he said on
Sunday. ``That will be under NATO command and control .... Ultimately, NATO has to be
in charge.'' The only problem is that's not what the agreement says.

Whether or not the administration is willing to admit it, to achieve this peace agreement it
dealt away core demands that it considered sacrosanct before the bombing began. Is there
anyone who can categorically state that if Milosevic had been offered these new terms at
Rambouillet, he would have turned them down? If not, then this truly was the avoidable
war. It is a terrifying thought that we did not, after all, have to go through 10 weeks of
bombing that ruined Kosovo and crippled Yugoslavia, which it is estimated will cost $100
billion to rebuild.


   
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 maja
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DEFANG THE KLA TODAY OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES TOMORROW

Some of the same Whiz Kids who helped put our country into the Serbian frying pan are continuing to spin out harebrained
schemes, trying to improve on their burnt offering. Sources say these Ivy college airheads are now chewing on the idea that the
United States should quietly train, arm and equip the Kosovo Liberation Army.

Arming the KLA would be like providing Special Forces demolition training to any remaining members of Oklahoma bomber
Timothy McVeigh's terrorist gang. In February 1998, Robert Gelbard, Clinton's envoy for Kosovo, said that the KLA "is,
without any questions, a terrorist group." Intelligence folks say Gelbard's assessment is dead on the money. The KLA's
leadership and ranks are filled with radicals, Islamic crazies and heavy haters who are as responsible as Milosevic's worst thugs
for thecatastrophe visited on the tormented people of Yugoslavia.

International cops say the KLA includes global drug dealers and arms smugglers who've been in bed with the Albanian Mafia
for years. The lawmen report that profits from these shady deals armed the KLA and financed their guerrilla attacks on the
Serbian police, military and the residents of Kosovo - terrorist assaults that along with Serbian brutality certainly helped trigger
the shootout in Yugoslavia in the first place.

Intelligence reports that some KLA members were trained by international bomber Osama bin Laden's outfit and that radical
members of the KLA, which is now trying to pose as a legitimate army, have sworn they'll go down shooting rather than give up
their guns.

Recently Croatian General Agim Ceku became the head of the KLA. While with the Croatian Army, his killing skills were
spiffed up by the U.S. mercenary group Military Professional Resources Inc. - a rent-an-American-soldier enterprise led by a
cash-starved retired U.S. Army four-star general.

In 1995, Gen. Ceku was a player in Operation Storm, a covert Clinton-backed and MPRI-trained Croatian military operation
that ethnically cleansed 200,000 Serbs from their homes in Croatia, killing thousands of civilians.

Since taking over the KLA, Ceku has purged all of its moderates. If a KLA member was a supporter of Ibrahim Rugova, the
exiled "president" of Kosovo who for the past decade has pursued a Gandhi-like nonviolence policy in the troubled province,
he was toast. Rugova's peaceful approach is not welcomed by a KLA that's into violently overthrowing the Serbia regime in
Kosovo.

On the Kosovo battlefield, the KLA has been clobbered by the more heavily armed Serbs in every major fight - even though
NATO functioned as its dedicated air force.

During the latter phase of the war, the KLA's operations have been reduced to small teams operating as snipers, conducting
ambushes and spotting for NATO bombers. These fumbling greenhorns aren't capable of more complex tasks because the
KLA is more of a mob than a trained fighting unit. While they have a lot of warm bodies, perhaps as many as 17,000, they
have few savvy leaders and their ranks are filled mainly with recruits. Untrained recruits augmented with cutthroats don't make
an army. Only well-led, well- trained, well-equipped and well-disciplined soldiers can be molded into effective fighting teams.
And this is not done with a wave of a magic wand. It takes about ten years of sweat and hard work to organize, train and field
an effective Army from the get-go.

Contrary to the Whiz Kids' schemes and dreams, there's no such thing as an instant army.

Short-term solutions frequently backfire. U.S. Marines and U.S. Army soldiers who'll walk the dangerous peacekeeping beat in
Kosovo shouldn't have American-trained-and-armed terrorists attacking them from the shadows.

Once again, as with the 1990s Afghanistan War, we may find ourselves relearning the hard lesson that yesterday's freedom
fighters can easily become tomorrow's terrorists. America has a long history of training and arming the Manuel Noriegas and
Saddam Husseins only to have their soldiers kill ours when they're no longer our favorite thugs.

So the civilian lap top commandos must stop playing Oliver North and give up on the wrongheaded idea of supporting the
KLA on the sly.

Secret armies composed of wild-eyed thugs and idealistic kids don't work. The KLA must be disarmed, or American
peacekeepers will pay a price in the minefields of Kosovo.


   
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 slob
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[THE COMMENTS IN BRACKETS ARE MINE, GUIDO]


By Maja on Wednesday, June 9, 1999 - 09:18 pm:

DEFANG THE KLA TODAY OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES TOMORROW

Some of the same Whiz Kids who helped put our country into the Serbian frying pan are continuing to spin out harebrained
schemes, trying to improve on their burnt offering. Sources say these Ivy college airheads are now chewing on the idea that the
United States should quietly train, arm and equip the Kosovo Liberation Army.[WHY WOULD WE? THERE IS NOTHING TO GAIN. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THESE ACCUSATIONS? DID YOU WRITE THIS MAJA? THERE IS NO URL.]

Arming the KLA would be like providing Special Forces demolition training to any remaining members of Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh's terrorist gang.[DUH! THEY HAVE BEEN ARMED FOR YEARS NOW.] In February 1998, Robert Gelbard, Clinton's envoy for Kosovo, said that the KLA "is, without any questions, a terrorist group." Intelligence folks say Gelbard's assessment is dead on the money. The KLA's
leadership and ranks are filled with radicals, Islamic crazies and heavy haters who are as responsible as Milosevic's worst thugs [PROBABLY TRUE, EXCEPT MILOSEVICS THUGS STARTED KILLING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN THAT ARE NOT MEMBERS OF THE KLA.]for the catastrophe visited on the tormented people of Yugoslavia.

International cops say the KLA includes[BUT DOES NOT CONSIST OF,] global drug dealers and arms smugglers who've been in bed with the Albanian Mafia for years. The lawmen report that profits from these shady deals armed the KLA and financed their guerrilla attacks on the Serbian police, military and the residents of Kosovo - terrorist assaults that along with Serbian brutality[BOTH SIDES ARE EQUALLY GUILTY OF CRIMES.] certainly helped trigger the shootout in Yugoslavia in the first place.

Intelligence[WHOSE MAJA? YOURS? LOL!] reports that some KLA members were trained by international bomber Osama bin Laden's outfit and that radical members of the KLA, which is now trying to pose as a legitimate army, have sworn they'll go down shooting rather than give up
their guns.

Recently Croatian General Agim Ceku became the head of the KLA. While with the Croatian Army, his killing skills were spiffed up by the U.S. mercenary group Military Professional Resources Inc. - a rent-an-American-soldier enterprise led by a cash-starved retired U.S. Army four-star general.

In 1995, Gen. Ceku was a player in Operation Storm, a covert Clinton-backed[WHO SAID THIS? WHERE IS THE REFERENCE MAJA?] and MPRI-trained Croatian military operation that ethnically cleansed 200,000 Serbs from their homes in Croatia, killing thousands of civilians.

Since taking over the KLA, Ceku has purged all of its moderates. If a KLA member was a supporter of Ibrahim Rugova, the exiled "president" of Kosovo who for the past decade has pursued a Gandhi-like nonviolence policy in the troubled province,
he was toast. Rugova's peaceful approach is not welcomed by a KLA that's into violently Overthrowing the Serbia regime in Kosovo.

On the Kosovo battlefield, the KLA has been clobbered by the more heavily armed Serbs in every major fight - even though
NATO functioned as its dedicated air force.

During the latter phase of the war, the KLA's operations have been reduced to small teams operating as snipers, conducting
ambushes and spotting for NATO bombers[SURE, WHY NOT USE THEM AS SPOTTERS? THEY ARE THERE AND THEY WANT TO HELP NATO.IF YOU WANT TO SPOT FOR NATO MAJA, THEY WILL LET YOU.] These fumbling greenhorns aren't capable of more complex tasks because the KLA is more of a mob than a trained fighting unit. While they have a lot of warm bodies, perhaps as many as 17,000, they have few savvy leaders and their ranks are filled mainly with recruits. Untrained recruits[WHO ONLY WANT THE SERBS TO STOP KILLING THEIR FAMILIES.] augmented with cutthroats don't make
an army. Only well-led, well- trained, well-equipped and well-disciplined soldiers can be molded into effective fighting teams.
And this is not done with a wave of a magic wand. It takes about ten years of sweat and hard work to organize, train and field an effective Army from the get-go.[GIVE ME A BREAK MAJA. IT ONLY TAKES ABOUT 4-6 MONTHS TO CHANGE AN "UNTRAINED RECRUIT" INTO A WELL TRAINED SOLDIER.]

Contrary to the Whiz Kids' schemes and dreams, there's no such thing as an instant army. [SURE THERE IS. THEY ARE CALLED REVOLUTIONARY ARMYS.]

Short-term solutions frequently backfire. U.S. Marines and U.S. Army soldiers who'll walk the dangerous peacekeeping beat in Kosovo shouldn't have American-trained-and-armed terrorists [OR REVOLUTIONARIES] attacking them from the shadows.

Once again, as with the 1990s Afghanistan War, we may find ourselves relearning the hard lesson that yesterday's freedom fighters[GOOD TERM TO USE HERE MAJA.] can easily become tomorrow's terrorists. America has a long history of training and arming the Manuel Noriegas and
Saddam Husseins only to have their soldiers kill ours [OURS? ARE YOU AN AMERICAN NOW?]when they're no longer our[YOU ARE AN AMERICAN!] favorite thugs.[YES. WE DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THEM. WE JUST USE THEM AND THROW THEM AWAY.]

So the civilian lap top commandos must stop playing Oliver North and give up on the wrongheaded idea of supporting the
KLA on the sly.[NOT SUPPORTING. USING.]

Secret armies composed of wild-eyed thugs and idealistic kids don't work.[DUH! RED HISTORY MAJA. GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN OVERTHROWN, OR BROUGHT TO THEIR KNEES BY GROUPS LIKE THESE MORE TIMES THAN CAN BE COUNTED.] The KLA must be disarmed,[READ THE ARTICLE I POSTED THE OTHER DAY, WHERE SOME KLA MEMBERS SAID THEY WOULD NOT GIVE UP THEIR ARMS, AND THE NATO REPRESENATIVES TOLD THE KLA THEY WOULD BE SHOT JUST LIKE ANY ARMED SERB WOULD BE.] or American peacekeepers will pay a price in the minefields of Kosovo.

P.S. Maja,please supply us with the references to support your claims. If this is not your writing, and it is from one of those opinion articles in a USA newspaper, then surely you must see they are opinions and not facts. They are sensationalized, like the "National Enquirer", in order to provoke a response from the readers, thereby insuring their notoriety or popularity {Same thing.} and continued publication. They are not based on facts, only speculations and opinions.
If this your writing, then you are a liar for telling us you are a Slovenian.


   
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Dobrosav
Maksimovic was killed today by terrorist KLA near Vrsetnica village. After
torture he was killed and beheaded.


Dobrosav
Maksimovic was killed today by terrorist KLA near Vrsetnica village. After
torture he was killed and beheaded.


Dobrosav
Maksimovic was killed today by terrorist KLA near Vrsetnica village. After
torture he was killed and beheaded.


Dobrosav
Maksimovic was killed today by terrorist KLA near Vrsetnica village. After
torture he was killed and beheaded.


   
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