TO AFRODOTES.

You tolorate!! i read that right? theres nothing to tolorade!

My sister Zoja never said anything about her live in her introduction, but you probably failed to notice.

You also failed to notice back then i was slaughtered for introducing myself. These times are over!

If you read well we lived in a country with a whole lot of history and are again living in a country with a whole lot of history.

If i speak personally:Cant speak for Zoja on this point. I would be the last to deny that Greece has a lot of history, cause i know it does.

But history doesn't "always" tell us what we need to know about the people living in it today.

Emina

TO GUIDO.

Maja is right about the bodyparts .It was Daniela who placed an artical from october 98 about baby organ smuggle from Albania.

I reacted back on it.

Emina

TO WHOEVER THIS WAS??????

Do you often aim at people with gossips ? Is this your best shot ?

You all started the gossip, now we are all letting you have a taste of your medicine.

And the poor babies can't even take it.Shouldn't have messed with me!

Emina

PS MAJA YOUR FRIEND NICK SAIS"READ ABOVE" HE"S LEARNING SRPSKI! SEE ALL DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

MAJA PAY ATTENTION NICK AND I SEEM TO AGREE ON SOMETHING HERE

I thought Maja was Slovenian. Far from being a Balkan Specialist, I think that it is not the same as Bosnian.

Your right Bosnian is a differnt language, but Maja claims otherwise.Maybe you better discuss this point with her on ICQ.

Emina

Is it the refugee thing that still troubles you ? Next time you want to pull something of that calibre, at least prepare it on paper first

Oh my god Guido is a refugee too? hhhhmmmmm......

GeeeSpeaking for myself you know Emina: What motive would i have to show off? FAILED THE TEST AGAIN!!!!

I don't invite people "early post" to come and take a look theirselfs would i.I might risk that they say yes gladly.That would be stupid if i was no refugee.

Emina

PS It seems to obset you a great deal, that we all think your not french and Maja is not Slovanian atleast she did NOT grow up their.She said herself she never knew war.If she would be in Slovania thats inpossible.As they did have a brieve war 1991

Who do I talk to and how these people call me is non of Emina's bussines "this is a sentence out of maja's story.

Maja i agree i did not write however.Mistaking me for Zoja again? Or is it someone else this time?

Emina
FRANKLY MAJA I EMINA DON'T CARE A S.H.I.T!!!!!! GO ON BABLE AWAY. THIS GETS AMUSING MORE AND MORE ALL THE TIME> I SEEM TO WRITE A AWFULL LOT. WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE AS I HAVE A VERY BUSY JOB.

Nickyboy.

This is exactly one of the differences between Bosnian and Serbian, but I forgive you, you can't know that.

BTW, Serbians don't use the word 'puno' as much as Bosnians do. Serbs are more into words like 'vrlo' and 'vise'. Ring a bell?

Furthermore 'puno hvala' is gramaticall wrong. Look it up in your studybooks.

Zoja

To Afroditis

Thanks for clearing that up! Actually I think you are right as well. Also about the genocide in America part.

But, as I said before, I think no country in the world has clean hands af far as crimes are concerned.

Zoja

To Nick.

Guido:
VINI VIDI VICI

Nick: The correct quote is:

VENI, VIDI, VICI

Look at your own spelling mistakes and presumptuous remarks before you start criticizing others, will you?

PUNO HVALA, indeed!

Zoja

[...]
"Another senior OSCE source spoke even more clearly
than any of us were inclined to do. He told me he
suspected that the Kosovo Liberation Army had been
persuading people to talk in bigger numbers, to crank up
the horror so that Nato might be persuaded to send
ground troops in faster. Robin Cook's rape camp was the
same thing, he said: an attempt to get the British public
behind the bombing. And wasn't all this a lesson in how
propaganda works in modern war?"
[...]

Milosevic Atrocities Beat NATO's Mistakes
NATO:
- 230 civilians killed by accident

MILOSEVIC
- 5,000 to 225,000 Kosovar civilians murdered
- 974,000 Kosovars expelled
- 580,000 displaced inside Kosovo
- 4,000 used as human shields
- 300 villages burned
- Looted and destroyed dozens of medical facilities
- Murdered and expelled scores of patients and doctors
- Summary executions in 70 communities
- Organized mass rape
- Used 700 boys as blood bank

World: Europe

Milosevic should face trial - Serb politician

Zoran Djindjic spoke to the BBC at a secret rendezvous

A senior Serbian opposition leader has come out of hiding to call for President Milosevic to face trial for war crimes.


The BBC's Brian Barron's exclusive interview
Serbian Democratic party leader Zoran Djindjic told the BBC that the flight of refugees from Kosovo, and their detailed accounts of Serb atrocities there, had convinced him of a need for a Nuremburg-style war crimes trial.

"Milosevic is responsible for all that is happening in this country. Only he conducts the war, only he takes decisions," he said.

But he added that it would be difficult for the people of Serbia to accept the truth about atrocities.

Mr Djindjic, a former mayor of Belgrade, is constantly on the move, in fear for his life.


On Wednesday he gave an exclusive interview in Montenegro to the BBC's Brian Barron.

Mr Djindjic said his party's first job after the war would be to try to remove President Milosevic from office.

"He has destroyed our country," he said.

Kosovar Albanians "not safe in Serbia"
Mr Djindjic has a track record as an outspoken critic of President Milosevic and in 1996, helped lead the pro-democracy marches in Belgrade.

He makes no secret of the fact he would like to be the next president of Yugoslavia.

He says his life is in danger as an opposition leader, travels with a squad of bodyguards and moves from city to city every two or three days.

"It's a risk of (the) profession, you cannot be democratic opposition in the Balkans without risk. It is not easy to kill me."

Opposition stirring


In the past two weeks Serbian opposition politicians have been increasingly bold about voicing dissent.

Social Democracy Party leader Vuk Obradovic told the BBC President Milsovevic was "the problem" of the Serbian people.

Yugoslav censors refused to allow the interview to be transmitted back to London.

And Vuk Draskovic, leader of the Serbian Renewal Movement, was fired from the government for saying the Belgrade leadership should admit it could not defeat Nato.

Army Details Capture, Beatings of 3 Soldiers
Yugoslavs Ambushed Vehicle in Macedonia
By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, May 8, 1999; Page A01

The three American soldiers captured by Yugoslavia were on patrol inside Macedonia when they were ambushed by about 20 Yugoslav soldiers who surrounded their military vehicle and fired on them before their gunner could ready his .50-caliber machine gun, the soldiers' commander said yesterday.

Giving the first detailed account of how the soldiers were captured March 31, Maj. Gen. David Grange said the gunner, sticking out the top of the armored vehicle, pulled back through the hatch as 50 rounds of gunfire struck the dark green Humvee and antitank rockets exploded nearby. The vehicle hit a ditch and then the engine, smoking from fire, stopped.

Staff Sgt. Christopher J. Stone, the senior noncommissioned officer on board, radioed in his coordinates. "We're taking direct fire. . . . We're trapped, they're all around us. We can't get out."

Moments later, the radio went dead. "Thinking their gunner had been hit by fire, and realizing they were surrounded by a superior force, Stone decided to surrender," Grange, commander of the Army's 1st Infantry Division, told reporters.

As they stepped out of the Humvee, said Grange, the U.S. soldiers were knocked to the ground, kicked in the face and body and beaten so hard with rifles that one of the rifle butts broke off.

The Yugoslav troops, with two-headed Eagle patches on their shoulders, pointed their rifles at the Americans' heads. They put hoods over the men's heads and handcuffs on their wrists. Speaking in English -- which Grange interpreted as a sign that they were probably a Special Operations team -- a few of the soldiers threatened to cut off one of their captives' ears.

Grange described for the first time what the soldiers have said happened to them about 2:30 p.m. that day along a bumpy, isolated road near the town of Alganja, 1.5 miles south of the Yugoslav border. It was a routine ride along a route Stone had traveled before that turned into a 31-day imprisonment for three members of the 3rd Platoon, Quarterhorse Cavalry of the 1st Infantry Division.

Grange's account, which was based on interviews with the three soldiers, contradicted Yugoslav assertions that the men were in Yugoslavia when they were captured. The three had originally been assigned to a United Nations peacekeeping mission in Macedonia. When that operation ended, they began scouting missions along the border for NATO.

Stone, 25, of Smiths Creek, Mich., Staff Sgt. Andrew A. Ramirez, 24, of Los Angeles, and Spec. Steven M. Gonzales, 21, of Huntsville, Tex., were released after Jesse Jackson traveled with an interfaith religious delegation to Belgrade to ask President Slobodan Milosevic to free them.

The White House warned Jackson and his delegation not to make the trip, which occurred as NATO warplanes were bombing Yugoslavia. Asked yesterday what he thought of Jackson's efforts, Grange did not hesitate. "I think his effort was great," he said. "He was determined. He showed the willpower to get the soldiers back. He made it happen. And we're very grateful for his efforts."

Jackson has said the delegation made the trip in hopes of breaking "the cycle of violence" created by NATO bombings and Yugoslav attacks on ethnic Albanians in Kosovo.

Since they became prisoners of war, the three soldiers have become instant celebrities, just like the young Air Force captain, Scott O'Grady, who was shot down by Serbian antiaircraft weapons over Bosnia in 1995.

The three men met with President Clinton on Wednesday. The next day, they were honored at a ceremony at their 1st Infantry Division headquarters in Wuerzburg, Germany. Each received six medals; the Purple Heart for injuries received in captivity, the Army Commendation Medal, the Prisoner of War Medal, the Armed Forces Medal, the United Nations Medal and the NATO Medal.

The three headed back to their homes in the United States yesterday, accompanied by their families. "All I can say right now is it's just great to finally step back into Texas," Gonzales told reporters after arriving at the Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport.

"I don't think it ever looked this beautiful," Ramirez said last night after arriving in Los Angeles. "But I do love it and I'm glad to be here." He described his release as "pure joy" and said he intends to remain in the Army and rejoin his unit if possible -- but not until after some rest and plenty of hamburgers.

Doctors who examined Ramirez said he had a stitched-up wound on the top of his head and two fractured ribs, as well as swelling of his lower right leg. His injuries have begun to heal and no surgery is planned. Gonzales sustained a chipped tooth and abrasions on his wrists. Stone had a broken nose, bruises, a chipped tooth and abrasions on his face.

After their release, Stone said they were treated badly only in the beginning of their captivity, and the three said they had mixed emotions about their captors. "They were very kind to us," Stone said the day of his release.

Yesterday Grange painted a much harsher picture of their treatment in captivity. During the first week, he said, they were interrogated, almost always hooded and sometimes beaten with batons. They slept on the floor or in a chair, feet shackled.

They were kept in solitary confinement almost continuously, denied the use of toilet facilities and moved from prison to prison, including one in Nis and one in Belgrade. Even after the first week, they were periodically beaten, said Grange.

Grange's account seemed to dispel hushed criticism that had circulated in the Pentagon that the men had acted imprudently when they separated from the other two vehicles in their group in a Serb-populated area during a time of hostility and headed to a convenience store for some sodas. Grange said that was not true.

"This patrol was conducted according to Army cavalry doctrine," he said.

Special correspondent Cassandra Stern in Los Angeles contributed to this report.


© Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

OPINION
Some Serbs do back NATO
Bombs aside, once a Milosevic opponent, always an opponent

Vladimir Petrovic

It has been almost a month since the NATO bombings of Serbia started, and every morning I have to take a good look at my face in the mirror. Because, even at its worst, with black rings under the eyes and three days' stubble, it is still irrefutable proof that I exist.

I am an ethnic Serb, and - contrary to the laws of Serbian nature as portrayed by the Western media - I am still pro-NATO and anti-Milosevic. In fact, though my family and friends remain in Belgrade, I strongly support the current NATO bombardment of my country, if only as a necessary precondition for a ground attack aimed at removing the malignant source of almost all the evils that have befallen Serbia and its neighbors during the past 12 years - the dictatorship of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.

From childhood, if I thought of myself as a Serb, it was exclusively in terms of belonging to some kind of European, or Western context, not the Eastern, or communist context. This, incidentally, was the main reason, notwithstanding considerable qualms and practical difficulties, I left Belgrade a month ago and came to Prague. I simply didn't want to find myself on the wrong side of the border, or, should I say, on the wrong side of the front line when NATO came marching in.

What's more, I'm neither alone nor a rare exception to the media stereotypes about tribal Serbs. Those who share my convictions aren't some tiny, well-educated cabal estranged from the "common people." Yes, I admit, I'm a writer and translator, presumably an intellectual. But what about my cab-driver friend who, in downtown Belgrade on the first night of NATO air strikes, hurt his leg in a fight with a security guard after spray-painting graffiti like "WELCOME NATO" and "MILOSEVIC IS A TERRORIST"?

I suspect that, in case of a landing by NATO ground troops, if openly and unambiguously directed at the regime in Belgrade and not against "the Serbs," many of my compatriots will be able to appreciate the difference.

Of course, it's only natural that even the pro-Western segment of Serbian society is infuriated by the airstrikes. The bombing is perceived as a meaningless exercise of indiscriminate power. It's unrealistic to expect any other reaction, considering the media-fueled nationalist frenzy and overwhelming pressure in society to conform. Anyone who speaks out now, and maintains pro-Western leanings, is branded a traitor.

But once the West lays its cards on the table, this is bound to change. Given a clear choice between "Fight for Milosevic and be rewarded with more oppression and poverty" or "Give it up now, and we'll help you get rid of Milosevic's lot" many Serbs will think twice. (Let me remind you, it has been years since Milosevic's party managed to pull in more than 35 percent of the vote.) At least, decisive NATO action may substantially raise the rate of desertions and surrender.

The story of newfound Serbian unity and willingness to fight to the last is likely to go down as the single most successful invention of Milosevic's propaganda, a bait wholeheartedly swallowed by both the Western general public and self-proclaimed experts.

Indeed, as I've scanned the Western news and commentary over the past month, I haven't found a single exception to the rule. Analysts, journalists, diplomats have rushed to do their part in fear-mongering and hyping various doomsday scenarios, stereotyping all Serbs as somewhat of a cross between SS divisions and poison spiders.

These foreign observers fail to notice an obvious fact: Even in a society so lightly burdened with rationality, it's quite impossible for such a radical change of fundamental political attitude to happen overnight. There are, in fact very few people able to perform a mental somersault that would suddenly turn them from bitter opponents of Milosevic and his henchmen into avid supporters. These opponents will return to the scene, emboldened, only if the West demonstrates resolve to remove Milosevic.

As the world is confronted with tragic images of Kosovo Albanians flushed from their homes - stirring still-fresh memories of massive bloodshed in Bosnia - it is easy to forget the Western-oriented Serbs who also feel victimized by more than a decade of Milosevic's national-socialist tyranny.

That's why we urge NATO not to stop, until the job is done.


Vladimir Petrovic is a Yugoslav freelance writer and translator living temporarily in Prague.

Way to go, Guido!

Zoja