There is no genocide committed by Serb forces in Kosovo.

To Afroditis and Nick


'MOST PEOPLE WHO WRITE ON THIS BOARD ALREADY HAVE
AN OPINION WHICH WILL NOT CHANGE.', by Nick, May 30th

Which counts for yourselves, yes.

Speaking for myself, it's a bit different. At first, when the bombing started, I thought: 'Well, Finally after ten years they are going after Nazi criminal Milosevic', hoping they would sent the ground troops in soon and get this criminal and his thugs out of power in no time.

But unfortunately, Nato is still bickering over futilities, and the damage now is far greater hen ever could have been with ground troops present. Now they have to fly high altitudes and miss all the time, with ground troops present they could have aimed more at Slob and his gang, and a lot less at civilions.

My sis and I had and luckily still have regular contacts with people inside Serbia, and even they all say, apart from the plea to stop bombing, that whatever happens they want Slob Milo the dictator gone. And what is even more important: EVEN THEY KNOW AND ADMIT THERE IS AND WAS GENOCIDE COMMITTED IN SERBIA.

So, as far as the bombing is concerned, I changed my opinion about that. Besides that, from the start, and I did not change in that one, I have always thounght that any war and any casualty is a tragedy.

The fact that Nato and the UN is losing its credibility is their own fault. They should never have negociated with Slob an his gang in the first place. They knew he was responsible for war crimes in Bosnia, and still they LET HIM stirr things up for the third time by making a negotiating partner out of him.

The only thing I can hope, is that it will be all over as soon as possible, and that the Kosovar Albanians as well as the Serbian people get their freedom/their land back, and can start building a decent society again, without trouble seekers like Slob Milo.

For the two of you, (I don't mention Maja and Daniela, because ther are really to young to do anything, but practising free speech) who have never seen a bomb or the consequesnces of war from up close, I can only hope that you at least in some point in your lives, will recognise the human suffering on all sides going on. The worst your can do in a situation like this is do nothing but shout from your ivory tower. If that is all you can do, you are no better than the people you condemn. Screaming and shouting about no genocide and stuff is useless. It will not put any war or disaster to an end, it will only prolong it. If you really want to make a diffenrence, if your really feeel so stongly about this war, you should be there, helping out.

Zoja

Talking of freedom of Speech, before you judge, remember these events and these people.....

SERBIA-MONTENEGRO

During the night of 24-25 February the entire edition of the Montenegro independent weekly Monitor, intended for Serbian and international distribution, was seized on the train delivering it to Belgrade. According to editor-in-chief Drasko Djuranovic, the confiscation was just one of many such seizures of the weekly in recent months. (RSF)

On 5 March it was reported that war reporter Dejan Anastasijevic was to become the first journalist since Tito's era to be tried under an obscure article of the criminal code for an article he wrote in the Belgrade independent magazine Vreme about the massacre of Kosovo Albanians in Drenica. Anastajevic, who is also a Time stringer and a columnist for the Albanian-language daily Koha Ditore, had described the Kosovo conflict as a `rancid little war' where ethnic Albanians, led by the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), were fighting for independence. He also chronicled the Drenica massacre in which 25 Kosovars were killed by police in revenge for the murder of four policemen by the KLA 11 months earlier. The judge asked why he had gone to Drenica in the first place. A somewhat baffled Anastajevic replied: `That's what I do. I'm a journalist. I cover the news.' (International Herald Tribune)

On 8 March Slavko Curuvija, Srdjan Jankovic and Zoran Lukovic, the owner and journalists, respectively, of the daily Dnevni Telegraf, were sentenced to five months' imprisonment for publishing an article which implied that Serbian Vice-Prime Minister Milovan Bojic had organised a murder (Index 1/1999). Bojic, who heads a Belgrade medical centre, was accused of ordering the murder of surgeon Alexander Popopvic. They were given eight days to lodge an appeal. (RSF, WAN, ANEM)

On 14 March the home of Dragan Alempijevic, correspondent for the Belgrade daily Glas Jasnovsti, was attacked with a bomb. It followed a recent arson attack against the flat of a TV Trstenik cameraman and the demolition of a car belonging to Boban Tomic, owner and editor-in-chief of RTV Bajina Basta. (ANEM)

Police confiscated copies of the mass-circulation daily Kosovo Sot from kiosks in Pristina and other towns on 17 March after a court decision to ban the paper and fine it some US$150,000. Staff planned to continue publishing. (RFE/RL)

On 22 March the last Albanian-language newspaper publishing in Kosovo, Koha Ditore, was fined 520,000 dinars (US$51,682) following a complaint by Information Minister Alexander Vucic. The paper was accused of having `propagated intolerance and hate among the nations and national minorities'. A week earlier another Albanian-language newspaper, Gazeta Shqiptare, was forced to shut down after it was fined 1.6 million dinars (US$104,500).

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Just never forget, in Spain and Greece, even in Slovenia now, there is freedom of speech, in Serbia there is not.


Zoja

Albanians in Kosovo Struggle for Food, Safety
Posted on Fri, 28 May 1999 14:48:41 GMT
Written by Stephanie Kriner and Cynthia Long, Staff Writers, DisasterRelief.org

Without food or shelter, ethnic Albanians still inside Kosovo are struggling to survive. Faced with the twin threat of assaults by Serb soldiers and NATO bombing campaigns, ethnic Albanians have fled to the mountains where they spend long, hungry nights in hiding. During the day they creep through the ruins of abandoned homes in search of food, often only to find that Serb soldiers have contaminated it.

"People are surviving by scavenging for food," World Food Program (WFP) spokeswoman Lindsey Davies told Reuters. "But even this is difficult because of the increasing military presence."

Based on interviews with refugees who fled to neighboring Macedonia, WFP has discovered what many aid organizations have feared -- that there is virtually no food left inside the beleaguered province.

"People are eating less and less every day," Davies said. "Many had not eaten meat in more than six weeks and others had not had a hot meal for over three weeks." Adding to the food shortage, Albanian shops have run out of merchandise, and Serbs refuse to sell food to hungry Albanians.

Aid agencies estimate that 600,000 to 700,000 ethnic Albanians remain in the war-torn region, most of them hiding in the mountains or remote villages. But a lack of food is forcing them to flee, risking their lives on roads where landmines have been planted. Many are elderly people who stayed behind because they could not survive the journey to the border. Some families send their children or elderly to scavenge for food at night in the hope that the young and the old are less likely to be targeted by the Serbs. But according to reports, even the most defenseless have been run over or beaten in the streets.

Driven by hunger, the ethnic Albanians continue to venture from their hiding places in the mo

To Nick

If you keep saying that there is no genocide committed in Serbia/Kosova, we will all say the bombs are not falling and that there is no collatteral damage, murders by Nato, whatsoever in Serbia.

Rediculous, right??

Think about it.

Zoja

On one of the homepages of the Orthodox Christian Church in Serbia and Kosova, I found this appeal.

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Dear guests,
Before going through our pages take care to visit the following links which are related to the ongoing war in our country. We ask your prayers and support for the peace in Kosovo and Serbia. The Serbian Orthodox Church and especially our Diocese will resolutly remain opposed to any violence and force, especially the violence against civilian population and facilities no matter from which side it came from. Human life is a great and precious gift of our Creator and no one has right to kill or torture in the name of any idea or ideology. The land in which we all live is big enough for all people of good will. We only have to learn how to live according to the will of God in peace. Our Lord is therefore teaching us to be the bearers of His peace and love. That is why, we Orthodox Christians and monks feel solidarity with many Serb, Albanian and other Yugoslav citizens who are suffering at this moment all over our contry and firmly support any good willed initiative which will bring the lasting peace to this part of our continent.

Decani brotherhood

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Emina

WIRE:May 30, 3:57 p.m. ET
NATO bombing wreaks
carnage on Serbian town
bridge


VARVARIN, Serbia, May 30 (Reuters) - It was market day
and the bridge in the central Serbian town of Varvarin was
crowded, locals said. By the time reporters got there blood
stains, human remains, a burned bike, hat and shoe were all
that was left.

Officials said nine people died and at least 17 were wounded when NATO
targeted the bridge in half in the southern Serbian town of Varvarin twice on
Sunday afternoon. It was cut in half by the explosions and the pieces lay
semi-submerged by the Morava River.

``Two missiles hit first, people rushed to help those trapped. Four minutes
later, another two hit,'' said Slavoljub Blagojevic, manager of a nearby sports
centre.

``Today is a religious holiday and market day. Thousands of people were on
and around the bridge,'' he said.

Eight bodies, including that of a priest with his head blasted away, were lying in
a local morgue attached to a nearby Orthodox church. The ninth victim, a girl,
died on the way to hospital in the nearby town of Krusevac.

The charred bike, with human remains on the wheels, lay next to the bridge
with the hat and shoe of the man who had been about to ride across.

``Monsters! What else can be said?'' a local resident shouted.

Janko Milenkovic, investigating judge from Krusevac, said at least three
missiles hit the bridge around 150 km (90 miles) south of Belgrade. Residents
said there was an air raid warning at the time and they could hear planes
buzzing overhead.

``So far we have identified nine bodies. There are many wounded, at least 17,''
the judge told reporters in front of the morgue.

The latest civilian devastation during NATO's two-month-old bombing
campaign against Yugoslavia followed an increase in daylight raids on Sunday
designed to force Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, who was beginning
to show signs of compromise, to comply fully with the West's demands on
Kosovo.

NATO says it is aiming only at military targets that could be used by the
security forces in their devastating crackdown against ethnic Albanian
separatism in the southern Serbian province. Bridges are included in the list.

``What can I say about NATO? This was an exclusively civilian bridge. No
soldier ever crossed it for military purposes,'' said local cameraman Radomir
Stojanovic.

One missile hit a nearby cemetery, damaging some gravestones. A nearby
hotel, housing Serb refugees from Croatia, had all the windows broken. Inside
the walls were damaged and a ceiling had fallen into a room on the top floor. It
was not immediately clear whether there were any casualties.

Stojanovic was fishing when the attack happened and said two children had
been nearby. He didn't know what happened to them.

``What would they say if these were their children?'' said another man, fighting
back tears.

Washington Post 5-30-99

FREAK METEOR STORMS HIT YUGOSLAVIA

AP news sources report multiple meteor strikes in The Republic of Yugoslavia in recent months have caused mass destruction.

Apparently many government and a few privately owned enterprises have been demolished by nickel-iron composite meteor strikes. Casualties among military personnel have been high, while a very limited number of civilians have been injured or killed.

The Communist Party in Belgrade erroneously claims these incidents were perpetrated by NATO airplanes bombing their country. But NATO vehemently denies these absurd accusations.

EVERYONE KNOWS THERE ARE NO NATO BOMBS FALLING IN YUGOSLAVIA.

This report was filed by our undercover (from the meteors) correspondent in the Balkans region, Guido Sarducci.

THE FATAL FLAWS UNDERLYING NATO'S INTERVENTION IN YUGOSLAVIA

By Lt Gen Satish Nambiar (Retd.)

(First Force Commander and Head of Mission of the United Nations Forces deployed in
the former Yugoslavia 03 Mar92 to 02 Mar 93. Former Deputy Chief of Staff, Indian
Army. Currently, Director of the United Services Insitution of India.)

My year long experience as the Force Commander and Head of Mission of the United
Nations Forces deployed in the former Yugoslavia has given me an understanding of the
fatal flaws of US/NATO policies in the troubled region. It was obvious to most people
following events in the Balkans since the beginning of the decade, and particularly after
the fighting that resulted in the emergence of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and
the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, that Kosovo was a 'powder keg' waiting to
explode. The West appears to have learnt all the wrong lessons from the previous wars
and applied it to Kosovo.

(1) Portraying the Serbs as evil and everybody else as good was not only
counterproductive but also dishonest. According to my experience all sides were guilty
but only the Serbs would admit that they were no angels while the others would insist that
they were. With 28, 000 forces under me and with constant contacts with UNHCR and the
International Red Cross officials, we did not witness any genocide beyond killings and
massacres on all sides that are typical of such conflict conditions. I believe none of my
successors and their forces saw anything on the scale claimed by the media.

(2) It was obvious to me that if Slovenians, Croatians and Bosniaks had the right to
secede from Yugoslavia, then the Serbs of Croatia and Bosnia had an equal right to
secede. The experience of partitions in Ireland and India has not be pleasant but in the
Yugoslavia case, the state had already been taken apart anyway. It made little sense to
me that if multiethnic Yugoslavia was not tenable that multiethnic Bosnia could be made
tenable. The former internal boundaries of Yugoslavia which had no validity under
international law should have been redrawn when it was taken apart by the West, just as
it was in the case of Ireland in 1921 and Punjab and Bengal in India in 1947. Failure to
acknowledge this has led to the problem of Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia.

(3) It is ironic that the Dayton Agreement on Bosnia was not fundamentally different from
the Lisbon Plan drawn up by Portuguese Foreign Minister Cuteliero and British
representative Lord Carrington to which all three sides had agreed before any killings
had taken place, or even the Vance-Owen Plan which Karadzic was willing to sign. One
of the main problems was that there was an unwillingness on the part of the American
administration to concede that Serbs had legitimate grievances and rights. I recall State
Department official George Kenny turning up like all other American officials, spewing
condemnations of the Serbs for aggression and genocide. I offered to give him an escort
and to go see for himself that none of what he proclaimed was true. He accepted my
offer and thereafter he made a radical turnaround.. Other Americans continued to see
and hear what they wanted to see and hear from one side, while ignoring the other side.
Such behaviour does not produce peace but more conflict.

(4) I felt that Yugoslavia was a media-generated tragedy. The Western media sees
international crises in black and white, sensationalizing incidents for public consumption.
From what I can see now, all Serbs have been driven out of Croatia and the
Muslim-Croat Federation, I believe almost 850,000 of them. And yet the focus is on
500,000 Albanians (at last count) who have been driven out of Kosovo. Western policies
have led to an ethnically pure Greater Croatia, and an ethnically pure Muslim statelet in
Bosnia. Therefore, why not an ethnically pure Serbia? Failure to address these double
standards has led to the current one.

As I watched the ugly tragedy unfold in the case of Kosovo while visiting the US in early
to mid March 1999, I could see the same pattern emerging. In my experience with similar
situations in India in such places as Kashmir, Punjab, Assam, Nagaland, and elsewhere,
it is the essential strategy of those ethnic groups who wish to secede to provoke the
state authorities. Killings of policemen is usually a standard operating procedure by
terrorists since that usually invites overwhelming state retaliation, just as I am sure it does
in the United States.

I do not believe the Belgrade government had prior intention of driving out all Albanians
from Kosovo. It may have decided to implement Washington's own "Krajina Plan" only if
NATO bombed, or these expulsions could be spontaneous acts of revenge and
retaliation by Serb forces in the field because of the bombing. The OSCE Monitors were
not doing too badly, and the Yugoslav Government had, after all, indicated its willings to
abide by nearly all the provisions of the Rambouillet "Agreement" on aspects like
cease-fire, greater autonomy to the Albanians, and so on. But they insisted that the
status of Kosovo as part of Serbia was not negotiable, and they would not agree to
stationing NATO forces on the soil of Yugoslavia. This is precisely what India would have
done under the same circumstances. It was the West that proceeded to escalate the
situation into the current senseless bombing campaign that smacks more of hurt egos,
and revenge and retaliation. NATO's massive bombing intended to terrorize Serbia into
submission appears no differrent from the morality of actions of Serb forces in Kosovo.
Ultimatums were issued to Yugoslavia that unless the terms of an agreement drawn up at
Rambouillet were signed, NATO would undertake bombing. Ultimatums do not constitute
diplomacy. They are acts of war. The Albanians of Kosovo who want independence,
were coaxed and cajoled into putting their signatures to a document motivated with the
hope of NATO bombing of Serbs and independence later. With this signature, NATO
assumed all the legal and moral authority to undertake military operations against a
country that had, at worst, been harsh on its own people. On 24th March 1999, NATO
launched attacks with cruise missiles and bombs, on Yugoslavia, a sovereign state, a
founding member of the United Nations and the Non Aligned Movement; and against a
people who were at the forefront of the fight against Nazi Germany and other fascist
forces during World War Two. I consider these current actions unbecoming of great
powers.

It is appropriate to touch on the humanitarian dimension for it is the innocent who are
being subjected to displacement, pain and misery. Unfortunately, this is the tragic and
inevitable outcome of all such situations of civil war, insurgencies, rebel movements, and
terrorist activity. History is replete with examples of such suffering; whether it be the
American Civil War, Northern Ireland, the Basque movement in Spain, Chechnya,
Angola, Cambodia, and so many other cases; the indiscriminate bombing of civilian
centres during World War Two; Hiroshima and Nagasaki; Vietnam. The list is endless. I
feel that this tragedy could have been prevented if NATO's ego and credibility had not
been given the highest priority instead of the genuine grievances of Serbs in addition to
Albanians.

Notwithstanding all that one hears and sees on CNN and BBC, and other Western
agencies, and in the daily briefings of the NATO authorities, the blame for the
humanitarian crisis that has arisen cannot be placed at the door of the Yugoslav
authorities alone. The responsibility rests mainly at NATO's doors. In fact, if I am to go by
my own experience as the First Force Commander and Head of Mission of the United
Nations forces in the former Yugoslavia, from March 1992 to March 1993, handling
operations in Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and Macedonia, I would say that reports put
out in the electronic media are largely responsible for provoking this tragedy. Where
does all this leave the international community which for the record does not comprise of
the US, the West and its newfound Muslim allies ? The portents for the future, at least in
the short term, are bleak indeed. The United Nations has been made totally redundant,
ineffective, and impotent. The Western world, led by the USA, will lay down the moral
values that the rest of the world must adhere to; it does not matter that they themselves
do not adhere to the same values when it does not suit them. National sovereignty and
territorial integrity have no sanctity. And finally, secessionist movements, which often start
with terrorist activity, will get greater encouragement. One can only hope that good sense
will prevail, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Lt General Satish Nambiar
Director, USI, New Delhi
6 April 1999

URGENT -- 20 die in NATO air attack at Krusevac.

BELGRADE, May 30 (Itar-Tass) - Over 20 people died in the town of
Krusevac during an air raid of NATO on Sunday afternoon. The
bombs blasted near the St. Trinity Church and a street market
flooded by people celebrating the Trinity Holiday. The official
target of the air raid was the local bridge.

One can expect the NATO headquarters to speak of another
mistake on Monday.



21:23, 30 may 1999


http://www.tass.ru/english/

Foreign correspondents injured by missile in Kosovo, add.

ROME, May 30 (Itar-Tass) - Two vehicles which carried a group of
correspondents were hit by a missile in the Rekane village
ofKosovo, ten kilometers away from Prizren, on Sunday, well-
informed sources told Itar-Tass. The driver of one vehicle was
killed. Both vehicles are destroyed.

A reporter of the Italian Corriere della Sera newspaper is
uninjured but his two colleagues from the Times and the
Portuguese television are slightly hurt. A man who accompanied
the correspondents is injured, too.

The area was repeatedly attacked by NATO warplanes on
Saturday.

The Italian embassy in Belgrade is trying to establish a contact
with the Corriere della Sera reporter for rendering the necessary
assistance.



23:08, 30 may 1999

http://www.tass.ru/english/

I know you will all be heartbroken but I won't be on here as often as I was. My wife renewed my subscription to Microsoft Gaming Zone "Fighter Ace" for our anniversary, so I will be spending most of my free time there. I guess NATO will have to win the war without me. I did shoot down a guy several times today that was nicknamed "Serbia's Best". What a joke, he flies like Milosevic lies, not very well. I fly on the British side if any of you want to die virtually, just use a nickname I will recognise.

Cao chumps.

THERE ARE NO NATO BOMBS FALLING IN YUGOSLAVIA.

Pope Pleads for End to Kosovo Woes


By Frances D'emilio
Associated Press Writer Sunday, May 30, 1999; 2:49 p.m. EDT


ANCONA, Italy (AP) -- Pope John Paul II, journeying to Italy's coast on Sunday across the sea from the war and misery in Yugoslavia, pleaded for an end to a conflict he called ``a heavy defeat for humanity.''


An Italian air force helicopter flew John Paul to this port city on the Adriatic, whose waters have been crossed by thousands of Kosovo refugees in smugglers' boats and have lately become a dumping ground for NATO pilots' bombs.


``In Kosovo and in the Yugoslav Republic, unfortunately, oppression and violence continue relentlessly, with many victims and enormous environmental damage,'' the pope told 30,000 young people after celebrating Mass in a sports stadium in Ancona.


``Faced with the persistence of violence, we can't do without our trusting pleas for the populations of Kosovo and Yugoslavia, for too long victims of a situation that marks a heavy defeat for humanity,'' the pope said.


Renewing his plea for peace, the pope urged that ``dialogue, solidarity and love prevail over many forms of pride and lies.'' He lamented conflicts in other countries as well, including those in Africa.


The official reason for Sunday's one-day papal trip was the 1,000th anniversary of Ancona's cathedral.


Squinting in the sun, John Paul, who turned 79 this month, appeared weary but seemed buoyed by the cheers of the young.


During the Mass, two fishermen, barefoot and wearing yellow bandanas, brought the pope gifts of a basket of fresh fish and a replica of a wooden boat.


Many fisherman have been forced to temporarily abandon their work for fear of snagging unused bombs, discarded in the Adriatic by NATO pilots returning from airstrikes against Yugoslavia.


Farther north in the Adriatic, near Venice, a netted bomb exploded recently, wounding three fishermen.


NATO minesweepers are engaged in the slow work of plucking the bombs from the sea.


The sound of NATO planes taking off has become commonplace here since March 24 when the airstrikes began in an effort to force Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to accept a negotiated peace settlement for Kosovo and withdraw his forces from the province. Nearly 850,000 refugees have fled Kosovo since the fighting began.


Thousands of people identifying themselves as Kosovo refugees have crossed the Adriatic this week alone. About 800 reached the Puglia coast between Saturday evening and Sunday morning, Italian authorities said.


John Paul has used both prayer and diplomacy to try to foster peace. Shortly after the NATO raids began, he sent a Vatican diplomat to Belgrade and sent letters in an unsuccessful effort to get NATO and Milosevic to agree to a truce.


John Paul wrapped up his trip Sunday with a stop at an Ancona hospital, again turning his thoughts to war -- and its victims.


``This is the worst ill -- hatred and violence of man against his own brother. Fratricidal hate -- that is the first illness of the spirit that we must fight,'' he said.


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