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(@kimarx)
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Yes, to some extent, in other ways the two topics become interelated.
well I cranked them out, but well you know business as usual at DMS.


   
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(@L'menexe)
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so the election takes place


and no comment on the yugo page.


   
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Kim Arx,

If you don't believe Kostunica is a stooge for the West, I suggest you take a look at the "Alliance's" economic plan for Yugoslavia. It's the same plan as the Group of 17 (group of economists created by and funded by the US). In a very short time there will be no Yugoslavia. Montenegro will revert to a tiny picturesque backwater and Vojvodina, Sanjak, the Presevo Valley and other bits and pieces will be surgically removed from Serbia, leaving it an impoverished, overpopulated (with refugees) peasant territory in the middle.

BTW - the so-called independent media in Yugoslavia (Radio B292, Vreme, Blic, the independent television network, etc.) have all been created by and are funded by my tax dollars. Look into an organization called The Endowment for Democracy (spelled C-I-A). As for the so-called opposition political parties and the "Alliance", they have received $70+ million from the US in the past year. In the US, an organization that accepts funds from foreign sources must register with the State Dept. as an agent of a foreign government and they are strictly limited in what they are allowed to do.

Sorry, but I don't accept the chant of "we won, we won" from Kostunica. He (they) have not presented any figures that show they received the required 51% of the vote. As for a Kostunica government, there won't be any. His party is extremely small and insignificant and lacks the manpower to staff a government. So guess who will staff his government? Within a few weeks he'll be nothing but an interim figurehead. Despite his "good guy" reputation and his mouthing condemnation of NATO, the fact is he has no power and will be an easy pushover. He's NATO's puppet whether he wants to be or not.

Ok, L'Menex that's my two cents worth :O)

t'gunns


   
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Sounds like Germany in 1945.
Now look at it!
Was Adenauer a stooge too?

I am not comparing the conflicts, simply pointing to the outcome for the Germans.
Milosovich has hardly helped ordinary Yugoslavians
has he. He has played into Nato, US,UN hands all the way...
Shrewd leader? I think not.

Go on then, bite my head off!


   
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Putin offers to mediate in Yugoslav election crisis

Mark Tran
Monday October 2, 2000
The Guardian

Russian President Vladimir Putin today offered to host talks between Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic and
opposition leader Vojislav Kostunica to resolve Belgrade's election crisis.

A Kremlin statement issued while Mr Putin was flying to India on a visit referred to both men as candidates in the
second round of the Yugoslav presidential election - an implicit recognition of the official first round results.

"As president of Russia I am prepared to receive in the next few days in Moscow both candidates who have gone
through to the second round...to discuss means of finding a way out of the current situation," the statement said.

But Yugoslav ambassador Borislav Milosevic, Mr Milosevic's brother, was quoted by Interfax news agency as saying no
Russian mediation was needed to resolve the impasse.

Mr Putin has taken an active role to broker a deal that would ease Mr Milosevic out of power to enhance the Russian
leader's image as a statesman. The Russian president launched his diplomatic gambit after intensive talks over the
weekend with US President Bill Clinton and European leaders.

Russia has conceded that Mr Kostunica won the poll in the first round.

Moscow played a key role in persuading Mr Milosevic to pull Serbian forces out of Kosovo last year, bringing an end to
Nato's air campaign against Belgrade and the Serb province, and Russia can expect to win the west's gratitude if it
can persuade Mr Milosevic to step down peacefully.

Less than a week remains before Sunday's scheduled run-off elections. Mr Milosevic says Mr Kostunica failed to
achieve an outright victory in the September 24 elections and a second round is needed. The opposition, backed by
the West, insists Milosevic rigged the voting.

"It's up to the people...whether they are going to stand for this or not," said retired General Wesley Clark, who led
Nato's 78-day air war against Yugoslavia last year.

In the current campaign of protests, road blockades temporarily blocked traffic on one bridge in the capital, Belgrade,
while city transit workers staged a two-hour walkout. The blockade appeared stronger in cities and towns outside
Belgrade, bringing life to a virtual standstill in the central and southern industrial heartland towns like Cacak, Pancevo
and Uzice.

Mr Milosevic has so far held the military and police in check. He may be running out of options as some vital industries,
such as coal mines, join the opposition ranks. The independent Beta news agency reported that 500 policemen
entered the Kolubara mine, the nation's largest, late Sunday.

The action could be an attempt to thwart sabotage at the mine, about 25 miles south of Belgrade, where thousands of
workers have walked out. Already, thousands of workers have left key industries in a nation battered by international
sanctions.

Only essential public services were operating in several cities. "They are sending a strong message to Milosevic: 'Your
time in office is over,"' said the US national security council spokesman PJ Crowley in Washington.

© Copyright Guardian Media Group plc. 2000


   
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(@L'menexe)
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greetings to m'sieu and madmoiselle,

last year before the NATO bombing had stopped and
i was even less aware of the details of this mess
[basically, 'milosevic out!'] what kisako had said
was that there was nothing that ensured his
possible replacement/successor was going to be any
'better'... and might possibly rouse nationalistic
fervor. an image she'd used was 'germany in 1939'
if memory serves.
which is not to say the replacement etc intends to
ignite such a fervor, but i was struck by kim
referring to germany in 1945.
contrasting, if not necessarily relevant, imagery
on my part.
==
wherefore is your biting commentary in regards to
all this, daniela?


   
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Yugoslav Protesters Block
Traffic

Monday October 2, 2000 1:30 pm

BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (AP) - Truck
and taxi drivers blockaded roads and
bridges, students stayed home and
factories closed throughout Yugoslavia
on Monday to start a protest blitz by
opposition forces that could test their
resolve to drive President Slobodan
Milosevic from office.

Milosevic's foes have vowed to bring
the country to a standstill with general
strikes and road blockades. But the
buildup to the campaign has been slow
and cautious, raising questions about
whether they possess the momentum
and stamina to carry out their threats.

Less than a week remains before
Sunday's scheduled run-off elections.
Milosevic says challenger Vojislav
Kostunica failed to achieve an outright
victory in Sept. 24 elections and a
second round is needed. The
opposition, backed by the West, insists
Milosevic rigged the voting.

Kostunica branded Monday's protest
actions as a ``quiet and smart
democratic revolution.''

``People are ready to start building a
new country,'' Kostunica said.
``Milosevic has been ousted in the
elections, but someone has to tell him
that.''

Meanwhile, Russia on Monday
resisted Western pressure to call on
Milosevic to concede electoral defeat,
but President Vladimir Putin said he
was willing to mediate between the
Yugoslav president and his challenger.

Putin said he was willing to receive
both Milosevic and Kostunica in
Moscow to ``discuss ways of resolving
the situation.'' Putin left Monday for a
four-day visit to India, suggesting no
meeting on the Yugoslav situation was
imminent.

In Yugoslavia, road blockades snarled
traffic on one bridge in the capital,
Belgrade, for about three hours, while
city transit workers staged a two-hour
walkout. The blockade appeared
stronger in cities and towns outside
Belgrade, bringing life to a virtual
standstill in the central and southern
industrial heartland towns like Nis,
Cacak, Pancevo and Uzice.

The opposition Democratic Opposition
of Serbia said the blocking of traffic in
Belgrade was over for Monday, but
would continue Tuesday for five hours
and the whole day on Wednesday if
Milosevic doesn't recognize his
electoral defeat by then.

Cedomir Jovanovic, the coalition's
spokesman, reported several incidents
caused by police at the blockades in
the capital. Four people were injured in
a clash with police in Surcin, about 12
miles west of the capital at a road
junction.

Dozens of trams and buses lined up in
Slavija square and the surrounding
streets in Belgrade. Hundreds of cars
also lined up around Autokomanda, a
major intersection, as people struggled
to move. Most taxis also refused to
operate.

Traffic and special police were
present, trying to break the blockade
by impounding license plates from
private cars and driving away parked
buses or trucks.

Another road blockade effectively
sealed off the opposition-run town of
Cacak in central Yugoslavia early
Monday. By 5 a.m., some 70 truck
drivers completely jammed the road
outside the industrial town of 80,000
people.

In Nis, the third largest Yugoslav city
and its main industrial zone, about
10,000 workers walked out from their
jobs to demand Milosevic's ouster. All
shops and schools stopped work in
the city and people gathered at the
main downtown square.

In Belgrade, about 10,000 university
and high school students rallied in one
of the biggest anti-Milosevic student
protests in the capital in nearly four
years.

And in the southwestern town of Uzice,
railway workers walked off the job and
thousands industrial workers joined
them, cutting off the country's main
north-south railway link.

Milosevic has so far held the military
and police in check. There were fears,
however, he could be running out of
options as some vital industries, such
as coal mines, join the opposition
ranks.

The independent Beta news agency
reported that 500 policemen entered
the Kolubara mine, the nation's largest,
late Sunday. The action could be at
attempt to thwart sabotage at the
mine, about 25 miles south of
Belgrade, where thousands of workers
have walked out.

A close Milosevic supporter, Serbian
President Milan Milutinovic, accused
opposition groups of seeking ``chaos,
clashes and unrest.'' The republics of
Serbia and Western-oriented
Montenegro comprise what remains of
Yugoslavia.

Opposition leader Milan Protic, and
the opposition's candidate for
Belgrade mayor, urged people to
abandon their jobs and schools and
take to the streets, saying this ``will last
until Milosevic realizes that he is no
longer president.''

``We are waging a battle'' Velimir Ilic,
the mayor of Cacak, told about 10,000
opposition supporters gathered at the
main town square for an eighth
consecutive day Monday. ``If we lose,
all we can expect is misery and
poverty.''

A local police patrol briefly attempted
to take the license plate of one of the
truckers in Cacak around dawn
Monday. They found themselves
outnumbered and surrounded,
however, and quickly handed it back.

Taxi drivers joined the truckers, some
arriving at the blockade carrying
supplies of bread and yogurt to drivers
who had parked on the city outskirts.
Protest leaders pledged their numbers
would grow as the day went on.

Only essential public services were
operating in several cities.


   
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(@kimarx)
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Bonjour, L'm-san,

I'm wondering if a replacement if not better, could be any worse?
Maybe someone else deserves a chance after 13(?) years?

How's the SC?


   
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(@kimarx)
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T'gunns,

Good luck reclaiming the cafe!!

L'menexe, check out st Antiall!


Is anyone awake yet!!!!!


   
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(@daniela)
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it seems that you have missed me (tg, lmx ?)
while I was away on a long long
too long holiday

what is the current topic ?
still Kosovo with a dash of elections in Yu ?


   
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(@kimarx)
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Hi, Daniela
I missed you too, honest guv!


   
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(@daniela)
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Thank you Kim.
I missed you all as well...

So, I'm reading the news this morning, and
something like this keeps comming back:

"American and French president Bill
Clinton and Jacques Shiraque, in the telephone conversation about situation in Yugoslavia on
Monday evening, stated that it is time that Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic leave the power, stated in Washington."

These are the man to tell and decide
how people of Yugoslavia should live ?
Imagine something like " Yugoslav and Russian
presidents Vojislav Kostunica and Vladimir Putin
had a chat on the phone and decided that it is time for the president Klinton to live the power".
Thankfuly that is going to happen, only, too late...


There is more:


"USA and European Union stated today that sanctions against Yugoslavia will be abolished, and large financial help will be provided as soon as Slobodan Milosevic leave the power."

http://www2.inet.co.yu/

Nice one. Good to know that there are people
who are wishing you "well" after all that relentless bombing.
Of course that money is going to be some kind of a "Mother Teresa fund-help" or "red cross" stuff?


   
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(@kimarx)
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True and true sadly!

Darned if you vote either way.
Can things get any worse?
Why not try someone new, or is it a case of better the devil you know?


   
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German Press: Djindjic Running the Show, Kostunica Just Puppet on String

Serb Reader: The Last Days of Serbia

Truth in Media - htp://www.truthinmedia.org

"Kostunica came out smiling and serene, while we move in large steps toward a real civil war. I don't think this can be stopped now, blood will be spilled, one way
or another"

BELGRADE, Oct. 2 - We've just received an alarming message from an evidently very disturbed TiM reader in Belgrade. And the gist of it is that, regrettably, our
long-predicted "Red October" seems to be arriving on cue to Serbia (see Toward Another "Red October"). Here's what this reader said (for those unfamiliar with
Belgrade, capitalized names are the names of various streets and or squares in the Serb capital):

"I fear we are witnessing the last days of Serbia. (Zoran) Djindjic has now got high school kids on the streets. I just heard on the news that they invaded the premises
of RTV Novi Sad, and demanded that they (DOS, I presume) take over the editorial.

Today, in front of the School of Electronics, in Bulevar Revolucije near Vukov Spomenik, there was a gang of about 150-200 (approximately) kids under the
"Otpor" banner. They looked like high school kids to me, though of course, I really can't be sure. Anyway, thet stopped all traffic and practically bullied evarybody
into joining them. The Kolubara coal mines went on strike today, so from tomorrow, we have power reductions.

They are doing their gig from Bulgaria - first bring everything down, take it over and then power it up again, and the contrast between having nothing and just a little
will be startling.

We are having problems with bread these days - there doesn't seem to be enough of it. For one part, due to roadblocks, it can't be transported to Belgrade from
places like Pancevo, and I expect they are slowing down local Belgrade production.

Milosevic addressed the nation today - something he does very rarely, as you know. Anyway, he said what you and I already know, but most simply refuse to see,
or cannot see - that this is an attempt to destabilize the country and throw it into the arms of NATO nations. Too late, too little, too unconvincing - as usual.

Kostunica & Co. went to talk to the Electoral Committee today, regarding their complaint. I don't know what they said, but he came out smiling and serene, while
we move in large steps towards a real civil war. I don't think this can be stopped now, blood will be spilled, one way or another.

RTS (TiM Ed.: Milosevic-controlled state television) reported that in today's editions of several German papers interviews with Djindjic were published, and it is
openly said that he is the real leader, while Kostunica is thus reduced to a puppet on a string.

Rationally, I know the best thing would be keep my cool, stay calm, but it's getting harder by the day. And I must admit, first doubts are beginning to appear. I look
at the people and I see a wild mob, more animals than people, and out for blood. Are these people worth saving, even if there was someone to save them - and
there sure doesn't seem to be. I suppose it's been a long day.

Again rationally, I expect NATO to walk in any day now. I am not consoled that (Vladimir) Putin held a meeting today, just before leaving for India, with literally all
his top brass. The only thing the press release mentioned was that they discussed Yugoslavia. Nothing else. But I have long stopped expecting the Russians to do
anything specific.

In this case, it all boils down to a simple question - is Russia willing to bleed for Serbia? If it is, the West is beaten there and then, because they sure as hell aren't
willing to bleed for it, even though that madwoman (Madeleine) Albright is probably demanding military action right now.

I fear we are lost, Bob. And I'm not sure we deserve to survive. All I know is that the lot of them, politicians, deserve to hang, preferably on Terazije. Until that
happens, we will not have any peace."

DVV, Belgrade ---

TiM Ed: The author's identity is known to TiM, but we withheld it so as not to cause that person undesirable repercussions in these turbulent days in Serbia. All we
can say that the author of the above lines has been one of the most trustworthy sources TiM has had in Serbia, both during the NATO bombing and afterward.

2. Russian Reader: "Real People" of Serbia Are Sitting at Home

MOSCOW, Sep. 30 - We received the following comment from Eugene, a TiM reader, who is the webmaster of the Anti-Imperialist Resource Center in Russia, in
reaction to our first no-text TiM Bullein, a Photo Essay published on Sep. 29 (comparing the current Serb euphoria about Vojislav Kostunica, with that for Slobodan
Milosevic 11 years ago - the photos are repeated here):

"Dear Bob: I got a good laugh out of your "Land of Folly" photo essay. But Slobo (Milosevic) was able to draw 2 million, while Kostunica only managed 200,000,
even with free handouts and rock music. The REAL "narod" (people) of Serbia are sitting at home, waiting for Milosevic to do something, anything, to stop the
madness." Eugene, Webmaster, Anti-Imperialist Resource Center, http://homes.line.ru/pb/serbia/

TiM Ed. To which the TiM editor replied: "Glad you liked it, Eugene. And you're right about the (large discrepancy) in numbers. I was hoping that people would
notice the difference in relative popularity - then and now. But I am not pro-Milosevic, as you probably also know. I first said he'd be bad news for Serbia back in
1990, when 90% of the nation cheered him as a "national hero." Even my own late father got angry with me for saying that. And I repeated that in the "Red October"
TiM Bulletin, in which I also said

that Kostunica would be bad news for Serbia. (Here's an excerpt from the "Red October," for example: ...So what's to be done?

First things first… Milosevic has got to go. Not because Clinton and Albright say so. Because the Serb leader has done as much harm to the national interests as did
the country's foreign enemies. He has betrayed the Serbs in the Krajina, Bosnia and Kosovo; is responsible for losses of those ancient Serbian lands; deaths of
thousands; and displacements of hundreds of thousands of Serb civilians. Back home, has allowed a build-up of an oligarchy around him that's been plundering the
nation during its greatest (foreign imposed) ordeals...")

Now I wonder looking at that photo essay how many of those who cheered Milosevic a decade ago, are the ones who now jeer him?

Serbia needs a new leader. But a leader who will align her closely with Russia, not with the West that bombed her last year. Some Serbs have even asked me to run
for President (guess in desperation?). But I told them that I was a writer and a public speaker, not a politician. Too many whores in that line of work. Just look at
(Vaclav) Havel, for example, who was once a good playwright and is now just a cheap NATO •••••."

Interestingly, some Serb ostriches among out readers (not many, thank God, less than a dozen perhaps out of our huge readership), have written to TiM, our above
PUBLISHED statements about Milosevic notwithstanding, and accused us to be pro-Milosevic - only because we were also critical of their favorite politician du
jour - Kostunica. Another dozen or so, who may have thought the same, just asked to be removed from the TiM e-mail list, which, of course, we were happy to do.

It never ceases to amaze us how some Serbs only seem to be able to think in binary, black and white terms, rather than see the world the way it is - consisting of
various shades of gray. What's interesting about such readers, is that they claim to be democrats and liberals, yet think like the Bolsheviks. "If you're not with us,
you're against us."

And now that the leaders of such "democrats" and "liberals" are irresponsibly bringing out into Serbia's streets protests high school kids, many of whom don't even
have the right to vote. As "human shields" for these cowards, in case the police or the army intervene in response to the chaos?

the Bolsheviks did. Or the NATO leaders who are pulling their strings and funding their election campaign and "civil disobedience. In other words, not at all.

For what it's worth, Kostunica is a personal friend of mine (see his inscription of the book he gave the TiM editor when we last met at his office in late April). At
least Kostunica used to be a friend, before he became a friend and ally of the NATO war criminals. But personal relationships never outrank God's truth or national
interests on this writer's scale of values. -

3. U.S. Reader: Of Course, It Was a Rigged Election - by the West

"Yugoslavia Is the Last Stand of Independence Amidst Globalist Onslaught"

BOSTON, Sep. 30 - We received the following comment from Andre Huzsvai, a TiM reader from Boston, Mass:

"Dear Bob, I must have missed the (TiM) polling, but here's what I think post factum: Rigged elections? You bet. Why in God's name would any country allow its
opposition to be financed and instructed by powers hell-bent on ousting the sitting government is beyond me. It should be illegal under Yugoslav law, as it is under
the US law.

Would Americans allow the Bush campaign to be financed and directed entirely from say, China? Are there any international norms left?

The opposition polls showing Kostunica's victory are paid by the tens of millions of dollars provided by NATO countries that have been trying to break Milosevic
for years. Western sanctions have wrecked the economy. It did not work. NATO planes bombed the civilian infrastructure to a pulp last year. That did not work
either.

Now, in a last push, the opposition was bought, and the Yugoslav people were attempted to be financially blackmailed into voting against their government. It is
heartening to see "democracy" work and "American values" spread, indeed.

It is not about Milosevic who may be a spent political force, nor is it about Kostunica, who is an empty suit and a figurehead of an ad hoc alliance cobbled together
by western money, and whom no one will remember a year from now. It is about the principle of non-intervention into other nations internal affairs, which is being
erased by the march of the NWO.

Milosevic can be called any names (are there any left?), but presently Yugoslavia is the last stand of independence amidst the globalist onslaught. By tomorrow it
may be history too."

Andre Huzsvai, Boston, Mass.




4. Polish Reader: U.S. "New Serbia" Project

ZAKOPANE, Oct. 30 - The following letter from a Polish writer was forwarder to us by Canadian TiM reader:

"Dear Friends, In a letter "Great Navigator's Prograe of Europe's Conquest" (which I e-mailed to you on Sept. 19), I wrote that "the (NATO sponsored) Serbian
opposition (known in abbreviation as DOS party) shall cry, early in the evening of Sept. 24, its victory in elections, and subsequently accuse Yugoslav Government
of a fraud."

This part of my predictions turned to be right. At present, the DOS candidate Voislav Kostunica (already confirmed to be the "president-elect" by the Serbian
orthodox clergy) despite his high, more than ten percent advantage over Milosevic (49% to 39% in the first round of elections) calls official results a flagrant fraud.
He claims to win 54 % votes, and boldly refuses to take part in the second round of elections. Instead, he calls for a general strike, for a car blockade of Belgrade,
and for other means of "peaceful coercion" on Yugoslavia government.

Why Kostunica does not want to confirm his victory in a second round, which should dissipate all uncertainties, and this, in all evidence, to his advantage? I do think
that Kostunica is really an honest Serbian nationalist (as he is advertised on his posters "He can look squarely everyone in his face").

Moreover, he is the university doctor specialized in nuances of Western democracy. He surely thus knows that by an undermining of the legality of official results of
present elections, he automatically undermines the legality of all constitutional institutions of Yugoslavia.

Once in power, with the same feeling of serenity and "rightfulness", Kostunica may declare illegal other, inconvenient for him (and for his sponsors) Serbian
institutions, in particular the ruling at present Socialist and United Left parties, competing with his "US-sponsored Democratic Opposition". (According to official
American sources, only the US government has spent already $77 million dollars for Serbian opposition to "communist" regime in Yugoslavia.)

I am pretty sure that US planners of Yugoslavia future dream of such, socialists-free, future of democracy in this country. And if their presidential protege will realize
this "Serbian will" (one more expression from DOS leaflets) we will have the repetition of the legal practice of Adolf Hitler, who outlawed the German Communist
Party in 1933, and also of BorisYeltsin, who outlawed the Russian Communist Party exactly 60 years later.

(Even the money for Kostunica's party comes from the same "eternal" source: the German National-Socialists came to power thanks to the financial help of Wall
Street bankers; also Yeltsin, 4 days prior to bombardment of Russian "communist" Parliament in October 1993, got a "gift" of $250 million dollars from the well
known Wall Street philantrophist, George Soros.)

In my personal opinion, the Kostunica's party behaves - to put it in words of Noam Chomsky - as "petty crook or tenth-rate lawyer", which cries "defrauded,
defrauded" pointing at the victim (Milosevic in this case) of his fraudulent behavior. As observes it Chomsky in "Year 501, the Conquest Continues", "This technique
can be highly effective, when control over the doctrinal system is assured".

In Western countries (except for Greece) the corporate control of influent media is nearly perfect. In Serbia, many journalists cannot forget who wanted to kill them
during the last year's NATO's bombing session. The not yet perfect "corporate control" of Serbia's news is the true handicap of Kostunica's "poker's bid" (which bid
consists of non participation in the second round of elections). Nevertheless his party has a hidden "ace" in its sleeve: it is the flood of Deutchmarks, which "the
opposition" is able to pour on students and workers willing to participate in dissent organized by DOS.

(As I was informed by Chilean refugees in Geneva, during the famous "truck drivers' strike", which prepared the way for the overthrow in 1972 of Allende's socialist
government, the CIA agents paid 10 dollars per hour of strike. The same practice, of hidden CIA "subventions" for striking unions, was reported in Poland in 1988,
when "Solidarity" union prepared the way for the end-up of socialism.)

In Serbia of today, the average salary is less than $100 per month, which means that the oncoming, "spontaneous, general strike" will not cost too much for
American taxpayers.

For a careful observer, it is evident that elected in this democratic way, new Serbian president will follow the example of other, US-sponsored leaders of
ex-Yugoslavia. Thanks to (the late Franjo) Tudjman we have already "ethnically clean" Croatia. Thanks to (Alija) Itzbegovic, also Bosnia was divided into 3
"confessionally clean" micro-states. And recently, thanks to NATO help, we got the "ethnically/confessionally clean" Kosovo.

The time has come for "ethnically/confessionally/politically clean" Serbia. Of course of Serbia limited to the size of former Belgrade's paschaluk (county).

I am afraid that the oncoming "political cleansing" of Serbia - from "communists" - will overstep, in its US-assisted cruelty, everything we have observed up to now in
Krajina, Bosnia or Kosovo.

For those who have illusions that realized at present at Balkans "Pax Americana" will bring "good" to all of us, I will quote the opinion of exiled Spanish writer de
Motherlant, contained in his book "The Chaos and Night": "(USA) is the only nation which was able to lower the intelligence, the moral, and the quality of men nearly
on the entire surface of the earth. This was newer seen since the globe exists. I accuse the USA of being in a constant crime against humanity".

Let's hope that this "Anglo-American Terrorist Empire" (expression of Barry Lituchi from New York's Kingsboro College) will not last for the whole 21 century.

The Polish "intelligentsia" was also bought10 years ago by "corporate owners" of our planet. The same thing is happening today with the Serb "cretinist intelligentsia",
demonstrating last week its "Serbian will" at the center of Belgrade." Marek Glogoczowski, Zakopane, Poland




5. Albright to Milosevic: Step Aside

WASHINGTON, Oct. 1 - U.S. Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, isn't exactly notorious as an OpEd columnist. She is much better known as a failed
would-be warrior, a failed diplomat, a failed wife, a lapsed Jew… and the official U.S. Secretary of Hate. Also as Madam Halfbright, the way we first described her
in our 1997 column "Da Bull".

Every time that Albright resorts to pen and paper, or more accurately, summons her speechwriter to compose an OpEd piece for her, seems to be when that's the
only way of delivering a message to a foreign opponent. And since Madam Halfbright has gagged herself by closing down the U.S. embassy in Belgrade, she is now
forced to put pen to paper instead of being able to whisper in Slobodan Milosevic's ear.

And this is what she or her envoy would have whispered, had they had a chance. The following are excerpts from a Newsweek OpEd piece, released this weekend,
but which will appear in the magazine's Oct. 9 print edition:

"On Sept. 24 the Yugoslav people went to the polls in record numbers, and voted by a wide margin to replace Slobodan Milosevic's discredited regime with a new
and democratic one. Not surprisingly, Milosevic is refusing to accept the verdict of his people, and is lying about the results. He is fooling no one and will not
succeed.

THE OPPOSITION LEADER, Vojislav Kostunica, justifiably insists that the victory of the democratic forces be recognized. He is pressing his case through the
courts and by peaceful public protest. The Yugoslav people are responding. The European Union and many governments around the world, including the United
States, have called upon Milosevic to admit defeat and step down.

The democratic opposition's electoral victory marks a historic turn upward for Yugoslavia and all of Europe. Through centuries of history, power has never changed
hands in Serbia by democratic means. Moreover, a democratic Serbia will mean that freely elected governments are in power in every nation in the Balkans. This, in
turn, will bring within reach a major goal of the entire transatlantic community, which is to transform southeastern Europe from a region of chronic instability into a full
partner and participant in Europe's democratic mainstream.

Yugoslavia at a Crossroads

[…]Within 72 hours after the election, the opposition was able to put together a final vote count based on tallies from more than 9,000 polling places. These
numbers reflected official local results that were approved by members of Milosevic's own party. The numbers added up to a greater than 50 percent win for the
opposition.

Under the rules, the consequences are clear. Milosevic must go. The opposition should be allowed to get on with the many jobs it has been elected to do: restoring
democracy, reviving the economy, rooting out corruption and bringing Serbia back into the European family of nations.

As I write this, Milosevic is trying desperately to buy more time. His puppet electoral commission has issued a fictional and wholly undocumented tally of votes
purporting to show that a second round of balloting is needed. Milosevic's problem is that time is no longer on his side. He is, quite clearly, a figure of the past, a
lingering shadow separating Serbia from a new dawn of democracy and hope. The Yugoslav people did not deserve Milosevic. With their actions during the last
week they showed that they deserve democracy. […]

The days immediately ahead will not be easy for the people of Yugoslavia, Serb and non-Serb alike. The sooner Milosevic leaves, the better it will be, and the
quicker the process of recovery can begin. European and American leaders have made it clear that we are prepared to lift the sanctions imposed against the
Milosevic regime as soon as a new and democratic government is in place. […]

Madeleine Albright, Washington

TiM Ed.: Right. But what Albright, Bill Clinton and other American administration officials are not saying is on what terms they are prepared to lift the sanctions, and
offer all these other "carrots." But the U.S. House legislation, known as HR 1064 - Serbia Democratization Act (soon to be implemented as another "Serbia
Demonization Act") - did.

And the gist of it is - only if Kostunica, upon assuming power, surrenders not only Milosevic and other indictees to the Hague, contrary to his election promise that
he would not do it, but also gives up Serbia's sovereignty.

Here are the conditions from HR 1064 that spell it out ("Sense of Congress" is the euphemism for CONDITIONS):

(b) POLICY; SENSE OF THE CONGRESS-

(1) POLICY- It is the policy of the United States to encourage the development of a government in Yugoslavia based on democratic principles and the rule of law
and that respects internationally recognized human rights.

(2) SENSE OF THE CONGRESS- It is the sense of the Congress that--

(A) the United States should actively support the democratic forces in Yugoslavia, including political parties and independent trade unions, to develop a legitimate
and viable alternative to the Milosevic regime;

(B) all United States Government officials, including individuals from the private sector acting on behalf of the United States Government, should meet regularly with
representatives of democratic forces in Yugoslavia and minimize to the extent practicable any direct contacts with officials of the Yugoslav or Serbian governments,
and not meet with any individual indicted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, particularly President Slobodan Milosevic; and

(C) the United States should emphasize to all political leaders in Yugoslavia the importance of respecting internationally recognized human rights for all individuals
residing in Yugoslavia."

The HR 1064 legislation further restates the original conditions for lifting of the outer wall of sanctions as follows:

"TITLE III--`OUTER WALL' SANCTIONS

SEC. 301. `OUTER WALL' SANCTIONS.

(a) APPLICATION OF MEASURES- The sanctions described in subsections (c) through (g) shall apply with respect to Yugoslavia until the President determines
and certifies to the appropriate congressional committees that the Government of Yugoslavia has made significant progress in meeting the conditions described in
subsection (b).

(b) CONDITIONS- The conditions referred to in subsection (a) are the following:

(1) Agreement on a lasting settlement in Kosovo.
(2) Compliance with the General Framework Agreement for Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
( (3) Implementation of internal democratic reform.
( (4) Settlement of all succession issues with the other republics that emerged from the break-up of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
( (5) Cooperation with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, including the transfer to The Hague of all individuals in Yugoslavia indicted by
the Tribunal."

That's the kind of Serbia for which the Serb ostriches who voted for Kostunica will get, a country dismembered, enslaved and lying prostate before the gloating New
World Order conquerors. Given the number of such "democratic" fools in Serbia, as our Belgrade TiM reader said (see Item 1), "I'm not sure we deserve to
survive" as a free people.

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Thanks for that and the link, Daniela.

What I admire about Putin, is that after his initial hard man stance, he has managed to gain the respect of western leaders, whilst keeping the interests of Russia as his priority.
Could Kostunica fit the bill, if not who could?
Do you think Milosovich has run his course?


   
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