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Official Moscow is invariable as to possibility of talks with Chechen president Maskhadov. Preconditions of such a dialogue are the same - cessation of a militant resistance, laying down arms and extradition of terrorists, Sergei Yastrzhembsky, an aide to the RF Acting President, told a Moscow briefing.


"The Maskhadov criminal case is still open". The RF General Prosecutor's Office has accumulated a lot of questions to ask Maskhadov, stressed the presidential aide.


The counter-terrorist operation still aims to completely disarm criminal groupings, neutralise or, if possible, arrest terrorist leaders, said Yastrzhembsky. According to him, some of the news media are making a mountain out of a molehill saying that federal authorities have changed its approach to talks with Maskhadov.

In the course of an operation in the Shali district of the Chechen Republic by a special FSB unit, so-called "brigadier general" Apti Batalov, head of "Maskhadov's administration" was detained on Thursday and then taken to Moscow. RIA Novosti learned this today from Major General Aleksandr Zdanovich, chief of the Department for assistance programmes of the FSB of the Russian Federation.


The official FSB spokesman stressed that Batalov will be subjected to the necessary operational investigation to establish the degree of his participation in criminal activities.


This was not the first successful operation of the Russian secret services in detaining ringleaders of bandit formations. It would be worthwhile recalling that on March 12 FSB officers detained and brought to Moscow Salman Raduyev, a terrorist involved in many bloody acts of terrorism. He has been officially charged with deliberate murder, terrorism, hostage-taking and other crimes.


FSB special units have also seized Beriyev, a man close to Basayev who was his "financier." Beriyev has begun to give "comprehensive evidence." That man was engaged not only in financial matters but was also Basayev's "representative" in Abkhazia and Georgia, and organized the production of arms for the bandit formations in the Vedeno district of Chechnya. Beriyev told the investigation about a secret cache where Basayev kept incriminating material on other terrorist leaders, including Maskhadov. These documents have been confiscated and are being studied at present.


Timirbulatov, nicknamed "tractor driver," who was known for his particular cruelty was arrested some time later. For several years the law-enforcement bodies were trying to find him after Chechen gunmen spread a video footage showing how the "tractor-driver" was personally killing captured Russian soldiers. Timirbulatov is currently giving evidence.


Basayev, Khattab, Gelayev, Arbi Barayev and other so-called field commanders are still at large. The law enforcement bodies are confident that their capture is a matter of time only. The secret services and other law enforcement bodies have taken the necessary measures to prevent these people from fleeing abroad. Work is under way, in particular, in cooperation with the secret services of other countries under framework agreements on anti-terrorist struggle.


The detention of influential figures of the Maskhadov regime is doing considerable harm to the Chechnya-based terrorists. Neutralisation of the "field commanders" inevitably disorganises the ranks of gunmen and, consequently, makes it easier to destroy the bandit formations.

Latest News:

Friday, April 14th, 2000

Clashes in the South of Argun Valley
The staff of the southwestern front announces that in recent days armed clashes with the Russians occurred in the south of the Argun Valley. Units of Chechen mujahideen carried out active scouting and attacked the enemy in the districts of Itum-Kale, Sharoy, Cheberloy, and Shatoy.

Near the village of Sharo-Argun clashes continue since two days. The Chechen fighters attacked several times and inflicted casualties on the Russians. According to Chechen commanders, during the last two days about 45 Russians fell, while 4 armoured vehicles were knocked out.

In the surroundings of Shatoy mobile units of the mujahideen attacked an armoured column of the enemy. Two BTRs and one URAL truck were destroyed.

Armed clashes also occurred near the villages of Khorsenoy, Ushkaloy, Khal-Keloy, Aslambek Sheripov, and Nizhaloy. Four mujahideen fell during the last 48 hours.

Mass Repressions in the Occupied Territories


According to the Chechen side, mass repressions against the civil population continue in the occupied territories of Chechnya. The so-called internal forces of the occupants are taking hostages, are shooting people at their checkpoints, and are engaging in robbery and marauding.

Only during the last week, more than 200 inhabitants of the Naur District were taken hostages and taken to the concentration camps of this district. In Chervlyonnaya-Uzlovaya not less than 1,200 detainees are kept in railway carriages. Every day 7-8 people are dying because of diseases or of maltreatment.

Sultan Magomedov, a man from Naur who has been bought free by his relatives after one week in Chervlyonnaya-Uzlovaya, says that along with him 97 people were imprisoned in one single carriage. According to him, during this week four people died from mistreatment: Khanpash Gereyev from Dzhokhar, Khasmagomed Ismailov (Gudermes), Boris Kuruyev (Goragorsk), and Bashir Kerimov (Dzhokhar).

There are other 'railway camps' in the Gudermes District, in North Ossetia, and in the Stavropol Region.

More evidence of Russian atrocities:
Russia tortures Chechens in secret 'filtration' camps-witnesses

NEAR GROZNY, Russia, April 14 (AFP) -
Russia is torturing detainees at secret "filtration" camps across Chechnya despite an international outcry over abuses at the notorious Chernokozovo prison, witnesses say.

Ex-inmates interviewed by AFP in Chechnya and neighbouring Ingushetia confirmed the existence of detention centres such as PAP-5 in Grozny and one housed in a former school in the southwestern town of Urus-Martan.

Ruslan, 21, spent nearly two months until March 30 in a dark underground cell in PAP-5 in the depths of a former bus maintenance depot, where he said guards meted out brutal beatings, torture and even committed murder.

The Russian military denied the site existed when UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Mary Robinson pressed to see it and neighbouring PAP-1 on a visit to the war-ravaged Chechen capital a fortnight ago.

"The guards would come in and say 'it's time for massage'," said Ruslan, interviewed in his home village near the northwestern outskirts of Grozny where Russian troops arrested him on February 5th.

Placed on a stool, his hands tied behind his back, two or three masked soldiers would beat Ruslan with rubber truncheons and rifle butts for half an hour at a time, swinging blows at his legs, arms and back.

"I lost consciousness many times," the young man mumbled hesitantly with a pained look on his face, before burying his head in his hands.

On international women's day on March 8th, the guards got drunk and decided to experiment on the prisoners, Ruslan said.

Pulling up his trousers to show a deep scar in his left leg stretching up from the ankle nearly to the thigh, he explained: "They stuck a knife in me and then slowly, very slowly cut upwards into my leg.

"You are a boyevik (a Chechen guerrilla fighter), we know you are," the soldier wielding the knife taunted Ruslan.

But he was far luckier than others among the nine men squeezed into his tiny cell.

Four were killed, including a 23-year-old from his village, Ruslan said: "I heard the shots when they finished them off after beating them nearly to death" in the nearby interrogation room.

Deaths under detention also occurred in the former school in Urus-Martan, according to 30-year-old Alikhan Shakiyev, who was kept there for four days from February 29.

One fellow-inmate, Aslanbek, 20, was dying when the guards dumped him back in their cell, but was refused permission to see a doctor.

His wrists, hands, and fingers broken, he lay rasping as he tried to breathe, blood oozing out of his mouth. One hour later the soldiers took him out of the cell, and relatives then found his body abandoned on the street.

The beatings and torture by elite interior ministry OMON troops took place in a windowless room, bare except for a table and chair, with a light bulb dangling from the ceiling.

Seven metres (21 feet) away, Shakiyev and the others in his cell could hear cries of pain all day long.

Many had nails torn out and on the back of one 18-year-old man, Aslan, the guards burnt a drawing into his skin with lighted cigarettes, according to Shakiyev.

"It wasn't a filtration camp. It was a concentration camp," he said, interviewed in the Ingush border town of Sleptovskaya where he has taken refuge.

Fear permeates the survivors, who said they had been threatened with severe reprisals if they spoke about their experiences.

Just before a delegation from the Council of Europe led by Lord Frank Judd visited Chernokozovo in northwest Chechnya on March 12, Ruslan and others in PAP-5 were threatened by guards nervous the Western observers might turn up.

"They warned us, 'If you speak to the foreigners don't tell them you were beaten. If you do, we'll kill you, they'll go away in any case and then we'll deal with you'," he said.

Apart from the fear of talking, information is also scant because very few recent inmates of detention centres have managed to flee to Ingushetia since the Russian military do not return their passports.

But Russian human rights organisation Memorial estimates there are already nearly 15 'filtration' camps holding several thousand people in Chechnya, not counting police cells and underground pits at many military checkpoints.

>> 1/Mijahedeen = cowards who bribe russian oficiers to escape the battlefield.
2/Rebels are fully corrupted by foreign money.<<

How is the foreign money getting in there you SOB? Who is to blame: the one who "bribes" someone or the one who is getting "bribed" (in this case the immoral Russian officers)???

What difference does the money have when the fighters don't have 1/10th of what Russia has? Aviation support, superior armor, fuel/aerosal/2 ton bombs, 200,000 troops? Isn't this what we call disparity?

Igor on the right, Ultra Russian Nationalist on the left and Dimitri (?) in the centre background.



...As I imagine them...

START-2 passed.

Onlooker

"How is the foreign money getting in there?"
Money is the easiest thing to bring.


"Who is to blame: the one who "bribes" someone or the one who is getting "bribed" (in this case the immoral Russian officers)??? "

In corruption cases the briber is to blame as much as the bribed.

In this case the bribers are the twice immoral so called mujahedeen who vow to fight to death and secretely escape the battlefield with the Jihad's money (fake on top of that).
Theyr are crooks who run away while young chechen boys are being killed and tortured.

"What difference does the money have when the fighters don't have 1/10th of what Russia has? Aviation support, superior armor, fuel/aerosal/2 ton bombs, 200,000 troops? Isn't this what we call disparity?"

Money=High tec weapon. The rebels have or had all the weapon that a guerrilla fighter can cary. They had ammunition caches, anti aircraft units and even armored vehicles and a plane.
They got all the weapon Hallah would buy if he was a mujahedeen.

If they had as many soldier as the russians do with as much weapon per man as they used to have at the begining of the conflict, they would be the strongest army in the world.
But there isn't 200 000 islamic troops in Chechenya because they didn't find enough brainwashed fool to die there.

hey Fred,
regarding the pic - I need to have a big gun too..hook me up with it, will ya?
😉

By FredLeDingue ( - 194.176.61.134) on Friday, April 14, 2000 - 04:50 pm:

"In corruption cases the briber is to blame as much as the bribed. In this case the bribers are the twice immoral so called mujahedeen who vow to fight to death and secretely escape the battlefield with the Jihad's money (fake on top of that)."

Thousands of people are being looted by the Russians and the mujahideen are returning back their money. I don't see any problems with that. "Secretly escape?" I call it strategic withdrawal.


"Theyr are crooks who run away while young chechen boys are being killed and tortured."

So you're admitting that the Russians did commit atrocities.

"Money=High tec weapon. The rebels have or had all the weapon that a guerrilla fighter can cary. They had ammunition caches, anti aircraft units and even armored vehicles and a plane.
They got all the weapon Hallah would buy if he was a mujahedeen."

Laughable. Disparity in numbers, disparity in armor, disparity in aviation.

"If they had as many soldier as the russians do with as much weapon per man as they used to have at the begining of the conflict, they would be the strongest army in the world. But there isn't 200 000 islamic troops in Chechenya because they didn't find enough brainwashed fool to
die there."

The mujahideen have one thing the Russians ain't got: Faith in God. This sums it all.

Igor
I agree with Wimmer's view on Kososvo. Nato is muded in and Us and Europe are completely unable to cope with the crisis.

Nevertheless, don't forget that poeple in Serbia don't like Milosevic and are demonstrating against him. They hate him.

It's also probable that without him, the Kosovo war wouldn't have occured.
Why Serbia and Serbia only became Nato's ennemy Nr1? Because of Milosevic. Not because of his freindship with Russia. Russia didn't help Serbia so much when it was bombed out. And I never heard Putin speaking favorably of Milosevic.
Why Ukraina which is ethnicaly as close to Russia as Serbia is, if not more, is not in the same case?
Because they don't have someone like Lukashenko or Milosevic as head of state.

Milosevic, Lukashenko and ZIUGANOV are the last living fossiles of soviet era who want as much nuclear warheads as to destroy 10 000 times life on Earth.
The same with Sadam Hussein.

Ok, Nato and EU are idiots but the root of the problem is in Milosevic. Without him, the fight against banditism and destabilization in the Balkan wouldn't have spread as a counter effect of bad policy.

Corrected:

Without him (Milosevic), banditism and destabilization in the Balkan wouldn't have spread as a counter effect of bad policy.

Onlooker

"Thousands of people are being looted by the Russians and the mujahideen are returning back their money."

Where did you get that from! And certainly they are sending humanitarian aid to refugees' HAHAHA!

" "Secretly escape?" I call it strategic withdrawal. "

Yes indeed, it's a better strategy to withdraw as far as they can while letting the others die at the frontline.

"Disparity in numbers, disparity in armor, disparity in aviation. "

Not disparity: Miscalculation by the mujahedeen. The militants didn't expect Russsia to send so many troops and to fight so sharply and awaited a second 94-96war downturn again insteed.

"The mujahideen have one thing the Russians ain't got: Faith in God. This sums it all."

That's why they die, that's why they lose every fight, that's why they are poor and miserable.
Because God doesn't support war and warrior (mujahedeen) are sinners.
They are going to lose even the last thing they get, theyr faith in God as soon as they will discover that the Jihad is crooked.
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Dimitri,
You have one but it's not very visible on the pic.
Did you notice, Igor hands the biggest gun?
And URN makes a sing as "we will cut them".