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(@dimitri)
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Jake,
lol..that is such a good way for you to retreat to your positions..also - beware of GOYem German sheppards - he's got one.


   
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(@noureldeen)
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To SLOVAK

( NO, of course I didn't mean nuclear weapons. Today almost half of the world has them. What i wanted to say was that russia could send hundreds of thousands, even millions if they would really wanted to end it. they would send all of their military equipment there, everything.
and it would be over in few weeks. )

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My friend, I hope you are fine and every thing is ok with you.

The western world has his own measurments for achieving victory. It is always based on technology, weapons and number of men. We as muslims we have a different measurment, VICTORY ONLY COMES FROM ALLAH. If Allah finds us qualified to be granted a victory from him he would give it to us, if not then it is his will and we have to accept it and improve ourseleves for the next battles. By the way, we are induced in the holy quran to prepare ourselves as much as we can.

Muslims never won a battle because of their numbers or weapons, no we just win with our faith, we just win with " LA ELLAH ELA ALLAH ".

In one of the most famous battles in the islamic history, Al-Yarmouk, the muslim army was about 45000 soliders, and the Farsi army - Persian - was about 240000 soliders, yes my friend, 240000 soliders. The islamic army was lead by the great knight Khalid Ibn Alwalid. This army used to eat the leaves, as our brothers in chechneya used to eat snow during last winter. Any way, when the battle started, Khalid Ibn AlWalid discovered that it is too hard for the muslims army to conquer such a huge persian army. Khalid screamed at his soliders, "Who wants to die with me ?" The whole army followed him, fighting to die not to win, yes, to die not to win. Muslims won the battle, and conquered the persian army. Can you immagin a battle like that, 45000 soliders, used to eat leaves fight against 240000 soliders well equiped ?

Allah says in his book "Victory comes only from Allah"


   
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(@kisako)
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I think I'd repost it.
Gen. Ermolov. Well, he did all other generals were doing. Before and after him there was all the same. Nothing new in a state expansion process. The "independent" Chechnia never existed and couldn't exist - some state entity would've taken the territory the same. Turkey lost it. Russia took it. To say whether it was right or not has no sense.
The empire crumbled down, and new entities popped up (it's universal). And 1991 Dudayew declared independence. The main support for it within was based on the Stalin era memories. Could the country "have dealt" with Dudayew's declaration? Probably could, but it didn't. Then the economy started going down. Dudayew hoped for a transit path of crude to the West, - a UAE "dream" - living near oil, no need to work, everything's shining bright. It couldn't have happened - there are not enough crazies to lay an oil pipeline through the unstable territory. But the "independent" state has to support itself somehow. Collect taxes, create and maintain social security programs, defend its subjects. Dudayew couldn't and didn't provide for that, because it needed a working industry, agriculture, qualified managers, people with firearms came to the scene in the absence of the former. Dudayew didn't want a war with Russia - he was a former Russian military himself and new the sheer balance of volume. But the war was inevitable because of the criminal regime already formed. The so-called field commanders had absolute power. Since gangs need to sustain themselves - hence criminal activity on the ruines of the local Chechen economy. Any state couldn't and can't put up with a gangsters' paradise, and the attempt to normalize the situation was undertaken in 1994-96, - but it turned out Russia didn't have the army, and what was about to happen - did.
And Maskhadow didn't want to fight Russia - he is a former Russian military himself and knows what's what, but it was inevitable since Maskhadow's power's based on those same field commanders of the criminal territory. Maskhadow was kinda given a chance - Chechniya got 2 bln. US, free power and gas and used to steal crude from the Baku-Novor. pipeline regularly, - to no avail. Gangs in the meantime put those funds to the "proper" use, and, as any organized gang, needed expansion - hence invasion of Dagestan. If Russia kept silent scared, it would've been the end of it, - the regions would've started brooding over the inability of the central power, - the end. Hence the Dagestani operation. Gangs were kicked back, but in view, that all the military infrastructure was in place, it was (possibly) thought nice to deal with the gangs for good, hence the Chechen operation. The West whines about talks (when Serbs agreed to terms, the terms were immediately modified to the unacceptability, talk of hypocricy.). Sure, parallel to the war of guns there's a war of media. Not all need a strong RF. But there should be order. And Army units in Chechniya literally defend the order. And talks? With Basayew, Khattab? About what? So that they pack their loot and be gone someplace else? And what would they do in Chechniya? Within 8 years no "civilized regime" has been established. What has been "established" is: the kidnapping entity, embezzlement entity, private moonshine distillery type gas production "ministry" (with a very private pocket). Maskhadow tried ... he tried to chase kidnappers, tried to establish an Islamic "state" - nothing worked. And wouldn't've worked, because his power are field commanders, that now obscenly drum up the "mujaheed" hysteria for the East and the "humanitarian" hysteria for the West. "Mujaheeds" and "humanitarians" all in one, hheh!


   
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 igor
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PIG EATING GOYEM BERNSTEIN I was looking forward to your visit,I was going to introduce you to the pavement.Shut your face and do not ever address me again.You know I have been in LA and have some friends there also.So remember sleep with one eye open.


   
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 igor
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PS pig eater Bernstein my new house is 3800 square feet and that is not counting the basement sitting on 2 acres .Quite the squalid place I must admit.


   
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 igor
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Estonia to Pursue Neutral Stance between NATO and Russia

http://www.stratfor.com/CIS/commentary/0004070040.htm


   
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(@gonzo)
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Antonio, I am not sure where to begin on all of your retoric. So I will just start with the facts.

"Government has disarmed the people"...uh you can still walk into a Wal Mart and by a nice gun. Come on everybody and there brother in this country has a gun.

"street crime is out of control"...uh crime is down for like the 5th straight year...see times square in NYC.

"where is NATO with the Tomahawk missles to take out Bin Laden financed trained and sponsered Chechen extreamest"...uh Clinton had tomahawks shot a his camp in Afganastan and suspetced chemcal warfare plant in sudan over a year ago.

"the residents of North American Continent welcome the leberating armys of Serbia and Russia" ..uh HA HA HA yea right. Lets see Ole Slobodon is 0-4 when it comes to wars and Russia is having trouble with 5,000 guys in Chechnya. I doubt you could find 5 Americans who would see this statement as not laughable.

Gonzo
In God Bless American occupied North America


   
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 igor
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The corpses of bandits have been found in the settlement of Komsomolskoye. Federals had discovered 426 corpses of militants by the moment, with 246 of them having been removed to the settlement of Goity to bury them, the North Caucasian press centre of the Russian Emergency Situations Ministry informed RIA Novosti. The relatives of the killed bandits have taken out 40 corpses.


Ruslan Ghelayev's gang offered a fierce resistance to federal forces near the settlements of Komsomolskoye. The military witnessed that almost each house in the settlement had turned to a pillbox.

This one is for you ONLOOKER---


   
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(@onlooker)
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>> Dudayew didn't want a war with Russia - he was a former Russian military himself and new the sheer balance of volume. <<

This is just plain ignorance. Provide me with some credible evidence to back your statements. Dudayev wanted war and he was well prepared. I have videos of several army parades that took place a year before the war. He organized an army and Dudayev was well aware of Russia's motives in the region. The Russian onslaught was inevitable. But Dudayev wouldn't let this hinder his dream of an independent Chechnya. The Chechens knew sooner or later they would have to face the world's most 'powerful' army (as they have been for the last three centuries). It wasn't anything new. It happened before and it was going to happen again. Dudayev was waiting. The whole of Chechnya was waiting. And Russia got what it deserved.

There is however one thing I agree with you. Dudayev was looking for materialistic gains. This was his main purpose. Islam was not his number one priority. This you might say led to the eventual "downfall" in economy and stability. In contrast, Basayev and Khattab are fighting for Islam, and this I'm confident will bring back stability and success to the region.


   
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(@onlooker)
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426 corpses of Russian soldiers and Chechen civilians I might add.


   
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(@fredledingue)
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Nour Edeen

"Who wants to die with me ?" The whole army followed him, fighting to die not to win, yes, to die not to win. Muslims won the battle, and conquered the persian army. "

To win, you should at first survive the battle.
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Onlooker

In the town of Urus-Martan mobile (non-Chechen)mujahideen units continue to carry out operations against certain groups of Chechens. A car with 5 Chechens was destroyed last night in the eastern outskirts of Urus-Martan.

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Hairy Mary Robinson (.)


   
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(@fredledingue)
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"Basayev and Khattab are fighting for Islam, and this I'm confident will bring back stability and success to the region. "

Huh!

With the big money from abroad!


JIHAD THE CROOK!!!


   
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(@onlooker)
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>> With the big money from abroad! <<

I wonder where they're getting the money after Russia supposedly "sealed" the borders.


   
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(@fredledingue)
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By IGOR
"my new house is 3800 square feet and that is not counting the basement"

IN SQUARE METER, PLEASE!
We are not longer in the Middle Age here...near and in Russia. LOL


   
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(@L'menexe)
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beautiful writing for you on the page today,
dear kisako.
just beautiful.


   
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