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(@delenn)
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It's not Aramaic:o)))
(Who knows, might have had some Aramaic influence)
Yes, in English. But You may have checked it already - :o)


   
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FREDIE

Without a doubt Brussels is one of the most wonderful cities in the world let alone being the capital of Europe. I have been to Belgium on a number of occassions, i.e., Hasselt, Antwerp. Actually, on this trip I was in Leuvan (Flanders)Because of the massive morning traffic situation, I stayed at the Sheraton hotel in Zavertum. In the evening we went to the Gran Platz for dinner. Great food throughout Brussels with service down to a science.

Quick story for you. One of my hosts was a former Commercial Attache at the Belgium Embassy in Moscow. (the name escapes me, but I'm sure you know of this backery) He went on to tell us about this popular bakery in Brussels that had special permission to be open on Sunday mornings and of how long the lines of people wanting to buy their wonderful bread was. According to him, a picture of the long lines of people wanting to buy bread was printed in the former Soviet newspaper TASS with a caption stating that the Headquarters city of NATO ignores the needs of it's populace and cannot even provide them token pieces of bread, yet spends so much on it's war machine. So much for the Cold War.

Although a bit early, my Belgium hosts ordered me a giant chocolate sleigh for Christmas delivery and presented me with some highly detailed linens as a departure gift.

Any rate, Fred, a truely great city and I highly suggest people put Brussels on their must see list especially when they cover the Gran Platz in flowers. May I ask what prompted you to leave?


   
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Mary I might say to you that in Russia the shops are small therefore a lineup.In Canada we have Loblaws ,huge grocery store however lineup to pay very big but inside store,So the question is what is the difference?


   
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Hi Igor

I guess the point that he was making in his story was that NATO's priority was to spend money on and preparing for war with the USSR rather than food for it's people, while the Soviet government's priority is to make sure the citizens of the USSR will always have bread. "Cold War rhetoric." Igor, was the Bolshevek revolution partially predicated on a lack of bread for the general population?

Anyways, I'm just a middle man (person) in passing this story on without casting judgement one way or the other. I didn't see the article nor the lines at the bakery. I will say however, and I'm sure you'll agree, that the Cold War was a complete and useless drain on valuable resources that could of been better applied for the benefit of the general population in both East & West. The West claims to have won the Cold War, I submit, a cost to benefit analysis clearly indicates both sides emerged as losers. Time to put the bullshit behind us and go forward cohesively for the betterment of mankind. Igor, the great talents and resources available in both East and West must not be wasted as they had been during the Cold War.

After reading the following, you may think I've had too much of Lord Hashish's good stuff. But you know Igor, as an after thought, what with so much happening so quickly and the dismanteling of weapons and the new push for an international space station and going to Mars as first suggested my Gorby. Coupled with the, historical, sneaky, behind the scenes, secret discussions between Soviet and Western governments that we or the media is not prevy to. Let me toss this thought out, could our leaders have been contacted by an alian federation and instructed to seek peace and mutual cooperation or they'll blast us?


   
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And in soviet times (lineups are connected with soviet regime)there were no long line up for bread but for meat and exotic fruits and some other goods that were very dificult to find.
Actualy there is no diference (as I remembre from my last trip there) between waiting in a shop in the west and in Russia.

As people say: before everything was practicaly free but there were nothing to buy, now there is everything but everything is too expensive.

In fact it's true that in the US, the "government" is not able to provide the populace with real bread. But not in Europe!
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Mary,
It's nice you have seen the Grand place with the flower carpet. Brussele is a beautiful city thought a lot has been destroyed during the war... of real estate speculation.
You will give me some news of the chocolate!
"Zavertum", isn'it Zaventem the airport?
You experienced the morning trafic jam... Another Brussel's speciality.


   
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"Let me toss this thought out, could our leaders have been contacted by an alian federation and instructed to seek peace and mutual cooperation or they'll blast us? "

Intergalactic UN?


   
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IGOR

I will say, that when shopping I would much rather wait in line to pay for what I choose to purchase rather than waiting in an outside line at a gov't controlled store to present my ration card and hope to get any piece of meat or fat or fish or whatever that might be availible. From what I was told, a shopping list was as effective as a dream list. Standing in line for hours in the cold and not having a say in cut of meat I choose or having to buy bruised fruit of vegetables that the clerk picks out and puts in my small leather shopping satchel, NO THANK YOU. I would of found a way to shop at the Western Currency stores which was reserved, exclusively, for privileged party members and those who were well connected..

This form of ration shopping was found not only in former USSR but throughout the Eastern Block with the greatest abuse and surpression found in East Germany under Honniker and believe it or not, Hungary and Yugoslavia enjoyed the greatest supply and selection of goods and services. Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, my heart goes out to what those poor people had experinced. Igor, there's no denying the sacrifices forced upon the general populace during the Cold War. Can't believe I just drifted onto that again. Any rate, hopefully, you know where I'm coming from.
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(@haireemary)
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RIGHT FRED, should have said the hotel was at the airport ie., Zavertum


   
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Dima,
Eta nitshevo, ya vsio ravno ponial. Cpocibo.
Tolko cyrilik bilabi lutshe shtobe totshnie yznatb zvuki i, ickatb v slovarie trudne slov.


   
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Any ways, must be off and enjoy rest of day. CIO


   
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Mary they were worse off in the east but I guess that is due to the destruction done by Nazis and America had zero damage not to mention Russia and I would assume the other east block countries lost their whole workforce due to the fact that they had to fight in the war and lost many casualties.That's what pisses me off is that Russia made most of the sacrifice and then became the enemy of Nato.I think Stalin should have just took everything.


   
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I would much rather wait in line to pay for what I choose to purchase rather than waiting in an outside line... NOT KNOWING WHAT WILL BE FOR SALE!!
(not kidding)


   
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http://www.reformation.org/holoc7.html #[3]


   
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http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html #Contents


   
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VISION OF FATIMA


http://www.reformation.org/holoc20.html


   
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