igor:


DAMN! what was THAT?


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russian submarine front page news on the boston globe along with clinton convention blah blah who cares...

These Russian welfare baboons never stop

They really belong in the jungles of Africa
The day will come when Igor and his inferior kind kneel before the mighty Sephardic

The jungle monkey Igor, is now calling himself Chorny volk!

Ultra Russian Nationalist

Please repost to this human trash Jake BURKSHAME THE BARNYARDSHAME!
(me, I must go to eat)

ms.mary:


[sheepishly]


...wonder if i've contradicted myself w/my misadventures in the cafe; i haven't changed my opinion of the worst of it, and wouldn't follow in


kind...but would i now be hypocritical to suggest you could find an occasional niche? not that i'm suggesting you vacate this premesis but there's something to be said for your imagination in a place where ignorance flourishes. you could have your old name back too, if you wanted...


AllamFake is there [exactly the same] and so is st.tony, up-front nastier than before, but the same 2 feet of biblcal shwa daily [at least]. and someone said after he 'left' DMS =koff= he went on to get tossed from an armenian chat.


and i might as well note that yesterday dimitri sorta 'did' for URN and i what he sorta 'did' for 'us'.


not that any of it would be less meaningless than i said.


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when in rome, act likeóÀ¿—Öà, y'know? ju—ÉÐatch where you step....heh -_-


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as for you, ber-STEEEN:


dont go there, they'll kill you.


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take 2, DAMMIT!


"When in rome, act like the tourists do, y'know?


just watch where you _step_".


oy.


gotta quit posting from AOL.

ms mary:


nah, forget what i said a few hours ago about the cafe.


with an occasional exception,


it's a f*ckng horrorshow.


yeesh.

Hollywood Invades Kosovo:
The NATO Trepca Takeover
by Richard Hugus (8-16-00)

www.tenc.net

[Richard Hugus has been active organizing folks to fight the pollution caused by the US Army in Cape Cod, Massachussetts (1) and has supported the fight against the pollution of Vieques by the US Navy.]

It was predicted as far back as the beginning of the US/NATO bombing of Yugoslavia in March 1999 that the natural resources of Kosovo, particularly those in the Trepca mining complex, was one of the unnamed reasons for the war. Many Americans knew that US leaders' "humanitarian concerns" were obviously not the reason -- how could the United States begin a war for any other than economic concerns? Now, sure enough, the US and NATO have moved in to take over the Trepca mines. And the press? The press has moved in to cover for NATO, making sure the world won't understand the true nature of this otherwise stark- naked imperialist venture.

Below are some excerpts from 'Associated Press' writer Alison Mutler's article on page 2 of the August 15, 2000 'Boston Globe' in which the 'news' and the English language have been manipulated to put just the right spin on this event. This is not an unusual article -- its value is that it is highly typical and sheds light on what Americans are used to reading day-in and day-out in the mainstream press. The title is "NATO shuts down Kosovo mine, quashing protest. UN calls complex a hazard; Serbs allege repression."

"Hundreds of NATO-led peacekeeping troops wearing surgical masks against toxic smoke swept into a Serb-run metal smelting complex in Kosovo yesterday and shut it down, then used tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse protesters."
Hollywood must have been called in for the surgical masks. A brilliant touch -- as if NATO troops couldn't get near the plant without them. It emphasizes the mine's smelting operation and NATO's concern for environmental problems, the pretext for the takeover.

Of course, if the air pollution was that bad, you'd expect everyone in Zvecan to be wearing masks. But, no, only NATO has the masks. These well-equipped troops were given the wrong masks, however. Carbon-filter respirators are the appropriate masks for the heavy-duty air pollution implied in the article. Surgical masks are worn to protect others from infection (perhaps they were appropriate after all).

KFOR is presumably protecting the citizens of Zvecan from the danger of polluted air, but apparently it's okay if they breathe tear gas and get shot with rubber bullets.

What are the protestors protesting against? This isn't explained. One can only assume they're in the streets to demand the right to breathe polluted air. America, the benevolent and misunderstood giant, has made yet another mistake trying to help the people of the world.

"Yugoslav officials called the closing of the communist-era complex an 'anti-Serb' action, but the chief of the UN administration that runs Kosovo, Bernard Kouchner, said the peacekeepers were acting against an environmental danger."
Notice the red-baiting of Yugoslavs and Serbs in "communist-era". The idea is to suggest that the Yugoslavs, stuck in the pollution-accepting commie past, don't see the importance of clean air.

While we're at it, let's get Bernard Kouchner to come to the United States to address a few environmental problems here. Perhaps he and KFOR could visit one or two refineries in northeastern New Jersey.

Notice the second consecutive use of the word "peacekeepers." Would the term "invaders" or "imperialists" have caused a slightly different picture in readers' minds?

"Troops used bullets and tear gas to disperse crowds that tried to interfere, said a NATO spokeswoman, Captain Kath Hurley."
Did the reporter consult one of the protestors about what was going on? No, the source is a NATO spokesperson.

"About 900 peacekeepers cordoned off a 200-square-yard area around the huge facility before swooping into the mining complex, which is seen by some as vital to the economic survival of Kosovo."
Peacekeepers again. First, why have 900 peacekeepers invaded and brought to a standstill the operations of an industry vital to Kosovo's economic survival? Second, is it possible that the mine is of value to the countries supplying the "peacekeepers" for this middle-of-the-night massive stealth operation? Or, taking it one step further, that these same countries might have a reason for destroying the economy of Kosovo?

"Soldiers from Britain, France, Belgium, and Denmark gasped for air as clouds of black and white smoke belched from aging chimneys."
Hollywood again. Over the top. Presumably the folks native to the area can stand the awful smoke (after all, they are just brutish south European Serbs) but northern Europeans have a special sensitivity.

Was there any reporting of this sort about protestors gasping after being heavily pepper-sprayed this past year in Seattle and Washington while trying to call attention to the same sort of military-corporate robbery now being accomplished in Zvecan by KFOR troops?

"Kouchner said 160 people had been hospitalized in the past year because of lead poisoning."
First, I wouldn't take this on his say-so. Second, how many have been hospitalized because of NATO bombing and subsequent KLA attacks?

"He ordered the facility closed until repairs could be made that would reduce emissions, which have been measured at 200 times the accepted World Health Organization norms."
Guess who will be in charge when the plant re-opens? Are World Health Organization statistics ever quoted for victim nations of the IMF and World Bank?

"We had to act,'' Kouchner said in a written statement. 'As a doctor and as chief administrator of Kosovo, I would be derelict if I let this threat to the health of children and pregnant women continue for one more day.'"
Just as he would be derelict if thousands of Serb, Roma, or non-KLA Albanians were allowed to be harrassed out of Kosovo, or murdered, since he took office. Just as he was derelict.

"The smelter is part of the Trepca mining complex, a collection of about 40 mines that produce gold, silver, lead, zinc, and cadmium."
Gold? Silver? Come on down Wall Street!

"Recent studies said Trepca would need a large injection of foreign cash to become viable and environmentally sound."
Whose recent studies? The ones funded by George Soros, perhaps? Why "foreign" cash and not, say, Yugoslav cash? "Viable" for whom?

If the reader only knew, this sentence gives the game of outside privatization and takeover completely away. (2)

"Still, Serb leaders in Kosovo say the UN's environmental concerns are only a ruse to get rid of Serb managers with close ties to the Yugoslav president, Slobodan Milosevic. Milosevic's Socialist Party said the takeover proves that the NATO-led peacekeeping mission wants to expel Serbs and non-Albanians from Kosovo.Yugoslav information minister Goran Matic described it as 'robbery' and violation of a UN resolution that allowed the peacekeepers to operate in Kosovo. 'It is an anti-Serb demonstration of power against unarmed people,' Matic told the state-run Tanjug news agency."
This, at the end of the article, sounds like the truth, but notice how it is discredited by being quoted from a "state-run" news agency. As we all know, the Associated Press is a news agency independent of bias or outside influence of any kind.

"Trepca is an emotional symbol for the people of this southern Serb province, who are struggling to rebuild after last year's 78-day NATO air war aimed at forcing Milosevic to end his repression of ethnic Albanians. UN officials say that some 600 ethnic Albanians and Serbs work at the mine."
The reporter is passing off as fact: 1) the idea that NATO bombed Yugoslavia on behalf of ethnic Albanians, and 2) the idea that the demon "Milosevic" was responsible (3)

These are old lies. If enough 'Associated Press' reporters repeat the same lies enough times (as they have) people will eventually accept them as truth. NATO bombed Yugoslavia in order to complete a crucial part of invasion and occupation plans made by the United States and its junior imperial partners long ago.

But there is one small confusion in the final sentence of the article: if the mines were being run directly by Milosevic's Serb managers, and Milosevic and Serbs are the demon repressors of ethnic Albanians, then how could 600 ethnic Albanians and Serbs possibly have been working side-by-side at the Trepca mines?

It's a funny thing about the truth. It has a way of getting into even the best propaganda, surgical masks and all

L'menexe:

Could you kindly qualify your remark "something to be said for your imagination where ignorance flourishes." Also, please clarify Dimi doing for URN and yourself what he did for us

Look forward to your response.

ms. mary:


no, no, no problems...darn. always re-explaining myself.


1) i meant you've been 'imaginative' here, of a sort i havent seen there.


2) d-chan in the role of 'crisis-defuser' if not 'peacemaker'


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i wasn't singling out any 'mutual acquaintences' at the cafe when i wrote back again last night; just thought i was 'right' the first time.


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L'menexe

Thanks for the clairification. Wasn't sure if you were starting on me. Might you provide me a link to this Serbian Cafe? Also:

who's there from DMS
do you post there
is Serbian Cafe reason why this board is phasing out.

ms.mary:


d-chan recently put a link to the cafe on a post here, in the last week-10 days...


he, igor, URN have been posting there.


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also AllFake and 'st.tony', if you want to count scum like them...


maybe also thx.


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d-chan is using a different name['Real...] , as am i. igor and URN are the same. the 'scum' are also using different names.


if you show up and say who you are, i'll greet you, and i'm sure the other non-scum DMS people would too.


END PART ONE

PART TWO:
switching to netscape..
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check dimtri's post here 8/10 6:36 for the link to the cafe.
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yes i've posted there, but...well, you'd have to see the place. and perhaps other 'mutual
acquaintences' would characterize it differently.
you can set up your own 'page'[topic] and see what reaxions ensue....this is why you came to mind; you could 'publish' your 'gazette', etc. these pages/topics dont stay around as long as they do here, and i dunno where, or if, there's an archive.
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oh, and 'our' kim has posted there w/a different name at least once.
d-chan and i would seem to have befriended 'their' kim, who seems okay, and is constantly under attack from 'maria' and the dreaded st. tony. not that she cant fend for herself...
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the cafe is 'uncensored' in a way the page here is not. and please dont think it was my idea that the russ page changed for us here, although i knew 'something' was coming.
four-letter words become '#$%*' but longer words pass through. heh,and i dont think people get 'banned' there.... it's disgusting on a regular basis, sho nuff.
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if DMS has 'suffered' because the creeps arent around anymore...well, m'sieu ledingue had a point about how these places kinda come and go in 'waves'; it's people like ourselves attempting to ascribe meaning to the meaningless by being here.
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but no one has to _trade_ DMS for the cafe unless they so choose. as for moi, i really dont wanna hang out w/st.tony or the FAKE every day, but it's worth a visit.
and DMS is the place where i met 'the queen of the world', so it has sentimental value as well [wink]
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and i'm not trying to be _too_ serious w/'aliases', just dont wanna be blabbing 'em all at once.

'kay?
you'll see if/when you visit...
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HEY EVERYBODY, DONT WORRY, YOUR HERO AND LEADER IS HERE WHEN YOU NEED HIM. JUST ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL. IM IN MEANTIME BUSY HAVING FUN EATING, DRINKNIG AND WIPING OUT SCUM AT SERBIAN CAFE. COME THERE IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A MEAL WITH ME

HOOO! It seems Milosevic is veeeeeery angry about the smelter "take over" the last symbol of his authority in Kosovo.

One can see fume belowing out of his ears carrying more lead than the smoke of Trepca!