FRED'S A HONEST IDIOT
LOL
POLLUTION? LMAO
BLOWN PANCEVO, DANUBE IN OIL, ROMANIAN HEAVY PARTICLES SPILL DIDN'T TRIGGER ENVIRONMENTAL EMOTIONAL CRISIS IN THE KFOR HEARTS LOL
DO YA KNOW WHATTA DEPLETED URANIUM IS?
IT IN REALITY MEANS 'NOT ENRICHED'!
YA VINNI THE POOH

http://209.207.216.17/forums/topics/poi1.shtml

Link to the Serb Cafe.Lots of Slavs and supporters from all corners of the World having a blast bashing our critics.To have been born Slavic and Christian is to truly have been blessed.

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Serbian Unity Congress,come here and support the Serbs struggle to survive in Kosovo.

As the time limits of survival have been reached we should all take a moment of Prayer for the victims of the Sub disater and their families.Tragic circumstances make us all reflect on our mortality.Russia is in a change and is needed by the West as much as the West is needed by them.US Mariners have reflected upon their own close brushes with Death in their moment of reflection and consolation in this tragedy.We are all the same. Politics attempts to make us differ.

Baron Glenorangerie

Idiot yourself, read my post more carefuly. then we can start to talk.

How are you Macho Serb? Welcome to our board ,it is a bit quiet here but with no clowns like Frank and co

FRED, NO USE TALKIN' TO YA LOL
YOU'RE LIKE A METEO WIND DIRECTION INDICATOR - NOW THIS NOW THAT..
BUT I'M A CARING PERSON-I APPENDED YOUR IDIOT WITH HONEST
LOL

Chechen Mayor's Son Executed by Grenade

MOSCOW, Aug 19, 2000 -- (Agence France Presse) The son of a Chechen mayor has been tied to a tree and blasted to pieces with a grenade in an attack attributed by police to a radical Islamic group, ITAR-TASS news agency reported Saturday.

Armed men burst into the home of the mayor of Urus-Martan, southwest of Grozny, Friday night, and beat Salavat Guibartayev before tying him to a tree and blowing him up with a grenade.

Urus Martin is the fiefdom of the radical Islamist Wahhabites whom local police suspect were behind the attack.

Chechen separatists have launched a campaign in recent days to settle their scores with Chechens working for the Russian administration. Several people have been killed in the attacks, two having their heads cut off and put on stakes.

Time for Trade With Iraq
by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

The brutal bombings and on-going sanctions against Iraq, led by the US but also backed by many foreign governments on the US payroll, have been in place for fully ten years. To what end? Saddam Hussein is still in power and his power is unchallenged. But sanctions, not Saddam, are the biggest problem the Iraqi people face. Thanks to US policy, the country continues to slip from civilization to pre-modern barbarism, where children die young, disease is rampant, computers and air conditioning are known only to a few, and even clean, running water is a rarity. No one disputes the reality that thousands of people die each month as a direct result of this policy.

Repeal of the sanctions is long past due. But for the Clinton administration, it's a matter of pride that they stay in place. Madeline Albright said in 1997 that sanctions will remain so long as Saddam is president, and she further declared that bloodshed is a tolerable price to pay. One doubts that a future president Bush would feel any different, since he might still have it in his mind to vindicate his father's war. Meanwhile, Bush's vice presidential pick is a founder of a free-trade organization that favors free trade with everyone in the world except Iraq.

Thank goodness the facts are available for anyone who cares to look. A new book called Under Siege: the Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War," edited by Anthony Arnove and published this year by South End Press, documents the carnage to a degree that will shock and appall. To think that the Clinton administration's supposed contribution to international affairs is to use the US military for "humanitarian" purposes. What's humanitarian about a policy that leads to the death of one million innocents? The hypocrisy takes your breath away.

As Under Siege demonstrates, the carnage imposed by the US is immense. More than half of the million dead are children. Indeed, the UN estimates that the under-five mortality rate has doubled since sanctions began. Hospitals, water treatment plants, and the rest of the nation's infrastructure is a wreck. Good nutrition and basic medicines are unavailable for most people. Every day is a struggle to get by. And if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, as the civilians living in Basra were last year, you just might get bombed.

US taxpayers are paying for all of this. And to enforce this policy of national destruction, the US keeps service men and women away from home for many months to patrol Iraq's import-export business and enforce the "no-fly" zone. It maintains a huge military presence in the Gulf, the end of which is to continue the slow death of Iraqi society. American citizens also pay by losing a natural market for their products and by paying higher oil prices that result from the artificial suppression of supply from Iraq. Iraq is pumping oil, but not nearly as much as it would produce in a free market. Worse, the Iraqis themselves do not profit from the sales, thanks to the UN's "escrow" policy.

But is the purpose of this policy to keep Iraq from developing nuclear weapons? Hear the words of former inspector Scott Ritter, who now works on the side of the angels calling for an end to sanctions: "Iraq has been disarmed. Iraq today possesses no meaningful weapons of mass destruction." As for UN inspection teams, it is well known by now that everything Saddam said about them ended up being correct: they were thoroughly infiltrated by CIA agents doing intelligence work. It's hardly surprising that Iraq would complain about dirty pool. You also have to imagine how all these complaints about Iraq's supposed dangerous weaponry play out around the world. The US has the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, and, as the anniversaries of Hiroshima and Nagasaki remind us, remains the only government to have ever used them.

Those are only a few of the myths exploded by Under Siege. In fact, an excerpt of the book on the website of Voices in the Wilderness, a magnificent anti-sanctions group, tells most of the story and explodes myth after myth. You can't fully appreciate the difficulties of life in Iraq without considering the details of living under a blockade.

The US has agreed to small shipments of food and medicine, but even here, the US is only going along reluctantly. For example, in 1999, the Clinton administration claimed that Saddam was withholding food and medicine from the people so as to exacerbate human suffering and draw world attention to the sad state of affairs in Iraq.

Under Siege tells a much more plausible story. It turns out that there are many practical problems associated with getting medicine and medical equipment moved around the country. Trucks must have cooling systems. Roads must be in good repair. There must be people to work in the warehouses and effect the distribution. None of these conditions are in place.

Also, half the shipments come without the needed complementary good: syringes without needles and the like. Since the UN must approve imported medical equipment, bureaucratic tangles require many goods to be stored until they are used. Also, it's quite absurd to think that health can be restored by permitting medicine in the country even while sanctions and bombings prevent any kind of infrastructure from being rebuilt. The good that a shipment of penicillin can do is mitigated by the fact that the drinking water carries diseases, and that the water treatment plants were all bombed by the US to bring this about.

Just as shocking is the silence on this issue in the American political landscape. There are no polls out there asking people what they think of the policy. Indeed, most people don't know or care. In contrast, everyone seems to know that Iraq threatened Kuwait in 1990 (even though few know that the US gave its tacit permission for Iraq to do so). And yet doesn't it matter that the US is committing far worse deeds against Iraq than Iraq ever threatened against Kuwait? Where is the morality in that?

The US needs to make peace with Iraq. The war that began ten years ago needs to end. Thank goodness some people ("fringe" types like Pope John Paul II) are willing to denounce the policy, because neither Bush nor Gore has any incentive to face the reality, much less answer questions about it. The killing of Iraq is one of those bipartisan barbarisms that both sides of the political elite agree to. And as we all know, politics is supposed to end at the water's edge. Sadly for many foreign peoples, the water's edge is where the carnage begins.

Hugo Chavez: Candidate for the New Willie Horton ?
If Bush's campaign is looking for a foreign bogey man to spook voters, Venezuela's oil-price-gouging prez may want the job

Well, as far as we know, this year's Bush campaign hasn't yet found its Willie Horton, but Hugo Chavez seems to be begging for the role. Last week the Venezuelan president was getting up Washington's nose by becoming the first foreign head of state to end Saddam Hussein's post-Gulf War quarantine; now he's talking up oil prices to record levels. That's right, talking up, in the same way that Alan Greenspan does for equity markets. Crude oil prices hit a 10-year high of $32.28 a barrel Tuesday, following Chavez's comments, during a visit to Nigeria, that oil-producing nations should not allow prices to fall below current levels.
Chavez may be a left-wing populist who takes Libya's Muammar Ghaddafi as a role model for his vision of an oil-financed social revolution, but his country is also one of the United States' leading oil suppliers. And the weight of his opinions is amplified by the fact that he's the current chair of OPEC and is looking to beef up the cartel's ability to keep prices high by restricting supplies. That, of course, puts him on a collision course with Washington, which recently leaned on Arab allies such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to open OPEC's spigots to ease U.S. gasoline prices, which had climbed past $2 a gallon. While the Saudis and others more directly dependent on U.S. military support may be more receptive to pressure from Washington, Castro pal Chavez wants the additional revenue of higher oil prices to finance his domestic social programs, and he's inviting OPEC heads of state to Caracas next month for their first meeting in 25 years to firm up their unity. After all, the cartel is effective only as long as all its members avoid the temptation to cheat on their production quotas by pumping extra barrels. In the process, Chavez is making no secret of his confrontational attitude to Washington's interventions — on Tuesday he urged OPEC members to resist outside pressure to lower prices.

Chavez's apparent ability Tuesday to have raised the oil price through his rhetoric will have given him an unfortunate taste of power, but it could be misleading. After all, there's little reason to believe the former paratrooper who spent time in jail after leading a failed military coup can succeed where others have failed in enforcing OPEC discipline. But whether or not he can deliver on his threats is a moot point: If oilmen Cheney and Bush are looking for a foreign bogey man with which to scare American voters, right now Chavez is writing himself the part.

Hello all,

I'm home! I just wanted to say thanks for all your messages and concern, I really appreciated them.
My jawbone,eye-socket, cheekbone and the bit in the middle are all neatly pinned together again, and I have no wrinkles on my forehead and round my eyes into the bargain.(Although I don't recommend a car-crash as a means of rejuvenation!).
Can anyone tell me if Titanium shows up on metal detectors? I'll never be able to fly EL-AL Airlines if it does!!!

On a philosphical note, it doesn't matter how bad things get, you always hear of someone worse off than you. I'm thinking both of those wounded in places where there are no top knotch surgeons and hospitals to rush to,and also of those in the Russian sub. My thoughts and condolances go to those who are left to wait for news of their loved ones.

Best of days to all...
Kim

I hope to god it was no-one from here!!!

I am definately NOT posting as Nemesis at Serbia Cafe!!! I really hope that it was a coincidence and not someone trying to be funny.
If so, whoever you are, YOU'RE DEAD!!!
And I will certainly see YOU on your way to hell!
KIM

AFTERNOON, MUM!!

the 'other' nemesis claims to have been around for a very long time there; the mistake here all along might belong to moi. -_-

the 'other' nemesis gave no sign of being on your level, as was quickly determined by moi and d-chan, once we got a good 'look' at 'em.

and in a right narsty bit of ironic stupidity: before i/we determined this nemesis was clearly not toi, _who_ should pounce, and attempt to ridicule you, but the individual whose right to be a psycho/hatemonger/maniac at DMS had been defended to moi by toi [at an almost-terrible cost] but 'st.tony the annihilator'.

just goes to show. and i couldn't, and wouldn't, say 'i told you so', mum; this isnt a matter of either of our feelings on the matter.

point being, to me, that he _belongs_ at the cafe, where he is a pariah, and that the cafe remains a pretty _fukt up_ place to be poppin' in for a cuppa joe.

[cue:"hello dolly"]
affexionately yours,

L'menexe the Foolkiller

MY FAIR LADY G.
HEAVENLY NEWS THOU RECOVERED, SAFE AND SOUND!
HUMBLY REVEALING TO YOUR HIGHNESS THE SAD TRUTH THAT IT WAS BETTERTHANYOU AS NEMESIS ON SERBIAN CAFE.
SHALL I SQUASH HIM, FEED HIM TO THE LAKE MONSTER OR JUST SEND HIM FORTH TO ALL FOUR POINTS OF THE WORLD ALL IN ONE?
WAITING FOR THINE VERDICT
TRULY YOURS
BARON GLENMORANGIE

TREPÇA TO BE REACTIVATED IN THREE MONTHS

Foreign Affairs Breaking News News Keywords: KOSOVO TREPCA MINES
Source: UNMIK Media Monitoring summary of original report by Albanian newspaper
Published: August 19, 2000 Author: 'Zeri'
Posted on 08/19/2000 20:46:14 PDT by Ichabod Walrus
TREPÇA TO BE REACTIVATED IN THREE MONTHS

The temporary closing of the Zveçan smelter will not last long because of the great importance of the Kosovo mining giant for the Kosovor economy, reported Zëri on page one. The report cited unidentified UNMIK senior economic officials. These officials, said to be involved directly in determining the fate of Trepça, told the paper that the Trepça complex will restart work in three months. During this time, the complex will be refurbished and measures for protection of the environment taken. Later on, foreign companies will be called in to take temporary management of all Trepça business and production.

The paper said that a consortium of three foreign companies started on Monday to asses damage and urgent needs in Trepça. They are the French company Tec Ingenierie, a Swedish company Boliden Contech, and the American firm Morrison Knudsen International, In two weeks time, they are expected to come out with a report that will present a physical and logistical assessment of the complex and the needs and general viability of the entire complex.

The UNMIK officials said that later UNMIK, together with these three companies, will start with repairs and other actions to put Trepça back on its feet, before giving it to foreign companies. About 2,000 Kosovo workers will be engaged in this work.

According to UNMIK officials, UNMIK's strategy can be summarized in these points: repairing the damage, improving the work conditions, improving of environmental conditions and increase its production capacity.

The production phase in Trepça will resume after that, continued the paper. It is expected, that this would be done in the same manner as was done with the Sharr Cement Factory in Hani i Elezit/Djeneral Jankovic.

Commenting on the strategy, UNMIK officials said that the first phase in Trepça would be the preservation of wealth and property as well as the payment of miners and other Trepça workers, including those at the Zveçane smelter. Other measures during the first phase include protecting the mines from flooding, especially the Stanterg mine, the biggest mine in the Balkans.

According to UNMIK officials, the second phase of the reactivation process of Trepça will be the rehabilitation of its equipment, intending to put it into operationg condition as well as all other technical facilities. Sixteen million dollars have been secured for this purpose.

Recommendations by the three companies will result in directives on how to spend the money. The recommendations will assist in determining the general viability of the Trepça network, something that according to UNMIK officials has to be confirmed since the assessments done so far say that Trepça's viability is valued on dozens of years.

The UNMIK officials said that the third phase will consist of using the resources and starting production in Trepça. This phase is expected to start in three months time. "We want to make Trepça technically feasible for the foreign company that will win the tender, most probably a tender on rent, managing the Trepça business for as long as UNMIK and other representatives determine it. They will be part of the committee that would give this right to foreign companies that have expressed interest in Trepça," said the UNMIK officials. They added that the three companies of the ITT consortium have expressed interest in temporarily managing Trepça, but noted that there are also other interested companies.

According to the paper, the UNMIK officials involved in Trepça are very optimistic in their anticipation of these first three phases, adding however that nobody knows how the fourth phase will look. This phase has to do with privatization of property and Kosovo companies, a process that is currently being stopped in New York. The paper noted that Russia was the major impediment, adding that Greece and some other EU countries were implied in this regard. "The issue of Trepça property is delicate one, but this will not prevent us from undertaking temporary economic measures for Trepça," said the UNMIK officials.

As for the claims of the French SCMM and the Greek Mytilineos on Trepça, the UNMIK officials said that the Kosovo Economic Court, which currently does not exist, but will be established, will resolve these dilemmas. "Trepça is for us a state property and we will treat it this way until we enter the privatization process, and until then, its income will be directed to the Kosovo budget and nowhere else," said the UNMIK officials, adding that no Serbia court will be in position to interfere in UNMIK's decisions or future decisions of the Kosovo Economic Court.

UN POLICE DISCOVER MASS GRAVE OF 160 KIDNAPPED SERBS

Foreign Affairs Breaking News News Keywords: KOSOVO KLA TERRORISM
Source: Kosovo Ham-Radio
Published: August 20, 2000 Author: Ichabod Walrus
Posted on 08/20/2000 13:48:58 PDT by Ichabod Walrus
The wife of a kidnapped Serb in Kosovo has just disclosed to ham radio operators (the only independent Serbian source of news now in Kosovo), that UNMIK police have confirmed her husband was one of 160 Serb, or mostly Serb victims, found in a mass grave outside Pristina. The Serbs were among more than 900 persons similarly kidnapped in 14 months of lawlessness in the NATO occupied province.

The woman, Vesna Mulic, said she was taken to the HQ of UNMIK polic in Pristina, to identify her husband's remains. There she was told that her husband, Rame, was one of 160 bodies found in a mass grave near the village of Dragodan outside Pristina.

So careless were the Albanian killers, whom Clinton's administration is proud to call the US Army's allies, that they left numerous personal document and other forms of identification with the dead. Vesna Mulic, said she saw numerous pieces of identification belonging to other victims.

It would appear that UNMIK has known of the mass grave for a long time. Why it has refused to reveal this shocking discovery is another unanswered question.