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(@dimitri)
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Hi, Kim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
welcome back, mam..say hi to your relatives from moi.
Will reply to your email when I get home.

Wish you a quick recovery,
D.


   
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(@dimitri)
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I don't want to talk to you, Fred.


   
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(@treslavance)
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d-chan:


my turn at 'crisis-defusion?' c'mon, guys...


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m'sieu ledingue:


the yugo page is very quiet, but not _completely_ dead...i recently had an exchange there w/a comrade known at the cafe as [similar to] polygraph; but no daniela, who was the ûopОuPint, w/o thežoterical assaults of the cafe's marie.


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(@treslavance)
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GOLDURNIT! -_-

i thought a short post could go via AOL w/o getting mangled...but no...
the interesting part is that here on my netscape there's much less visible 'mangle' than there was elsewhere...
let's try it again....

'but no daniela, who was the counterpoint of the page, w/o the hysterical attacks of the cafe's marie.'

not sure what 'our' kim would say to that, but...

and you couldnt get mail through to kim yesterday _either_, right, d-chan? there we were gettin' all sappy...snf = -_-


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(@dimitri)
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I actually did get it thru, L'man..never said it came back or anything..I just didn't get any responce until today, thassol..

BTW..aren't we making this too "public" without getting a consent first?


   
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(@hwhbaronglenmorangie)
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Joined: 24 years ago
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[BARON ENTERS THE ROOM WRAPPED IN AURA OF RANDOM WISDOM & WIT]
HAILING YOU, KNIGHT L'MENEXE!
[MAKES HIMSELF COMFORTABLE IN AN ARMCHAIR BY HIS FIREPLACE FULL OF MSSR. LE DINGUE'S SCRIBBLINGS PROVIDING WARMTH]
(..ENOUGH TO LAST ME FOR ABOUT A WEEK..)
THOU MADE AN OFF-HAND REMARK ABOUT MY POOR COMMAND OF THIS SO-CALLED 'DIALECT'.
[BROAD SMILE]
IF I WANTED EVEN.., BUT I DON'T HAVE TO - I'M SIMPLY HAVING FUN..
[RAISING EYEBROWS]
YES..SIMPLE FUUN..
[ROALLY DRAWING THE WORD OUT]


   
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(@treslavance)
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d-chan:


i disagree; that 'consent' would be required to refer to someone feared departed, and what it would have represented had they been such.


   
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(@treslavance)
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the cafe is in a bustle over the distraught mother being sedated against her will, as shown on CNN and elsewhere.


it wouldnt have been _at all_ difficult to do; just a *prick* and down she went, as if she had fainted. no reason for anyone in the room to have made a big deal over a mother realizing her son was lost at sea. to them it didnt need to appear to be more than that.


yeah, it was pretty fukt up. that one still photo i saw sure does suggest that woman was given a shot. funny, i saw the scene last week on tv and _nothing at all_ was said about the woman being sedated; she appeared to have simply lost it. ripping CNN is asinine. but a wholesale condemnation of the russians for [apparently] doing so is pointless.


crude, i guess, but...


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i miss you, k-san. i dont think i'm gonna hang out here much longer. no point.


and now we'll see how mangled this post gets when i send it.


   
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(@longjohn)
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Joined: 24 years ago
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Hello Kids... LOL.

Im Back!!!

LMAO...


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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Joined: 17 years ago
Posts: 648
 

I'm back.The damn workman took out my phone and tv cable, just got it back.I was going through withdrawals without my computer.


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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KLA commanders trained in Albania
Wednesday, 23 August 2000 12:45 (ET)


KLA commanders trained in Albania
By LULZIM COTA

TIRANA, Albania, Aug. 23 (UPI) - Senior Kosovo Liberation Army commanders
trained in Albania starting in 1991, KLA deputy chief of staff Colonel
Dilaver Goxhaj, said in interview published here on Wednesday "The organized
military training of Kosovo men continued until 1993 when Albania's police
arrested Adem Jashari for illegal possession of weapons," Goxhaj said in the
interview with the daily Shekulli.

Jashari, the first KLA commander, was killed together with 56 relatives,
including children, when the Yugoslav army shelled his home in Prekaz, in
March 1998. The incident inspired a rapid rise in the size of the KLA which,
according to Goxhaj, numbered 19,800 fighters before NATO air strikes on
Yugoslavia began on March 24, 1999.

Goxhaj was born in Gjirokastra, south Albania, close to Greek border and
educated at a military school. Until 1993 Goxhaj was an instructor in the
use of anti aircraft guns at the Albanian Military Academy. He joined the
KLA in September 1998 and became deputy chief of staff. In Kosovo he was
known as Commander Shpetim Golemi. Now back in Albania, he did not say
whether he will return to Kosovo.

The KLA set up a staff in December 1993, Goxhaj said, after "intensive
preparation in Albania and a propaganda campaign in Kosovo and abroad."
Another Albanian military expert, who had taught Jashari the use of infantry
weapons, confirmed Goxhaj story.

According to Goxhaj's interview, there was close cooperation between the
KLA, NATO and Albania's army in exchanging information about Yugoslav army
movements, techniques and coordinates. Goxhaj confirms NATO had informed
them when the air strikes were to begin. "We were in the KLA headquarters in
Kostrec village when Hashim Thaci, our chief commander, phoned from Brussels
and said 'today at 20 hours NATO will start air strikes."

"NATO asked us to mark Serb army targets, their position, number,
ammunition, the presence of anti-aircraft guns and their distance from
civilians." NATO agreed to bomb only when civilian populations or KLA forces
were at least a kilometer from the Serb positions, Goxhaj said. All cases of
NATO hitting civilians or KLA forces, he said, followed from its aircraft
finding targets for themselves and not as a result of information provided
by the KLA.

KLA forces doubled in size during the Kosovo fighting, Goxhai said. Some
10,000 Kosovo men and women joined after the Serbs began ethnic cleansing
operations and another 11,000 volunteers came from the United States and
Europe.

Between November 28, 1997, when the KLA publicly announced its existence,
and June 20, 1999, when fighting ended, 2,000 members were killed and 4,800
injured, he said. There were 12,000 civilian victims and 10,000 injured
during the same period. Goxhaj's figures are lower than NATO reports on the
Kosovo conflict.

Goxhaj thanked the military hospital in Tirana for saving many KLA lives
and an Albanian helicopter brigade for transporting the injured to the
hospital. Before and during the conflict, Albania denied Belgrade
accusations that it allowed the KLA training camps on its territory. After
the conflict, Fatos Nano, Albanian premier during the conflict, admitted
Albania's help to the KLA and said there had been contacts between KLA
leaders and American officials including Richard Holbrook, currently U.S.
ambassador to the United Nations.


   
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(@fredledingue)
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Hi Igor
You still have workers in your house...

What do think about Mytilineos owner of Trepca?

(Read above)


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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Hello Fred the workers were next door framing another house.I have my lawn now and the landscapers were here .Now I am putting in a curb for driveway and getting the driveway paved.Didn't have time to read still catching up on Serb Cafe' and Russia Today and Antiwar.Ask again in a couple of days.


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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Gridlock: All Trains Lead to Moscow
24 August 2000

Summary

The Russian Railways Ministry banned Russian freight trains from carrying cargo to or from former Soviet republics that owe the ministry money. Since most of these states depend upon Russian transportation for their exports, the Railways Ministry decision could deliver a crushing blow to their fragile economies. It also highlights just how dependent on Russia these countries remain – and who is ultimately in charge.

Analysis

The Russian Railways Ministry temporarily banned Russian freight trains from carrying cargo to or from former Soviet republics that owe the ministry money, according to the Moscow Times on Aug. 19. Since most of these states depend upon Russian transportation for their exports, the Railways Ministry decision could deliver a crushing blow to their fragile economies. It also highlights just how dependent on Russia these countries remain.

The ban covers Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan – all states that count Russia as their largest trading partner. While the states could dispatch their own trains to shuttle goods across the breadth of Russia, they would then be unavailable to service local needs. For the Central Asian states the ban is a double blow. Any exports destined for Europe or the United States must first transit Russian territory. Until the debts are paid, that transit is impossible.

Shifting their trade to other states is not an option. There simply isn’t infrastructure to support other trade relationships. Of the states targeted, only Georgia has a seaport. Azerbaijan, Kazakstan and Turkmenistan each has only a single rail line that leads away from the former Soviet Union. Uzbekistan is doubly landlocked.

While replacing rail transport with truck shipping is an option, it is not an attractive one from a cost point of view. Almost all of the exports of the states on the blacklist are bulk commodities: cotton, coal, grain and various ores. Fuel costs alone make trucks unfeasible. For example, once a shipment of cotton from Tashkent bound for Europe crosses 1,000 kilometers of Kazak territory, it still must traverse 2,000 kilometers of Russian territory and 1,000 kilometers of Ukrainian territory before even reaching Central Europe. That’s quite a gasoline bill.

This is not to say that the railways of the former Soviet Union are in good shape. Russian Railways Minister Nikolai Aksyonenko estimates that $22 billion in repairs are needed to restore full productivity. Yet they are still the most efficient transportation option – or at least they were until the Railways Ministry decision. As it stands, only petroleum exports shipped via pipelines will be unaffected. With a single ban, the Railways Ministry effectively gutted the export economies of six states. They will have no choice but to pay their debts in full, and in hard currency.

Options for retaliation are few and ineffective. Georgia could push for closer NATO ties and Uzbekistan could again withdraw from Russian led security pacts. But in the end, Russia holds too many hammers over the states on the blacklist to brook any serious resistance.

There is a political component to the ban as well. Aside from Tajikistan, all of the blacklisted states have rocky relations with Russia. Yet since they have no economic alternatives to Russian predominance, cutting off rail access is a simple – and excruciatingly painful – way for Moscow to drive home just who really is in control.


   
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(@fredledingue)
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"They will have no choice but to pay their debts in full, and in hard currency. "

Does it mean NOT in ruble?

It's normal Russian railway need money and can't afford to work for free.


   
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