Dimitri,

Girl? Where the hell did that come from? I can assure you of my manhood, come take a peek. And no new toys until the 25th dammit!

As to soldiers dying, I can also assure you that ANY soldier dying is a tragedy having been one for 10 years in the USAF. After all, the grunts are the ones to pay the ultimate price, not the Generals. So la la la la that!

My point was, which you missed completely, was that both East and West reporting is filled with propaganda. It's a comedy of denials on both parts. EVERYBODY knows that both soldiers and civilians are dying but neither side wants the other to know how badly they're being hurt. Russia has more to loose because if the real numbers were released would they still have the popular support from the home front? If the militants were to give a "real" accounting it would only reveal how weak or strong they are, in which case, the Russians would be able to take advantage of or turn to a differnt strategy.

Are ya still following me my boy??? This is truly the essence of my last two posts.

Kim Arx ( - 195.92.67.41) on Friday, December 17, 1999 - 03:38 pm:
the BBC have sent me an email thanking me for forwarding your comments on bias in its news reports. They will "forward these comments for due consideration". LOLOL


Well, I 've got very similar reply from CNN when I reported lies distributed by holy hate monger (like Matteson) USA presidential candidate Gary Bouer.

Fenriz

Dmitri,
Temper, Temper.. thats whats wrong with your russian military authorities.. lot of hot air.
As for what I write on this msg board.. none of your damn ruski business!

Dimitri,
Do you believe, by NATO sticking there nose into Bosnia and Kosovo that it has given Islamic groups an excuse for there attempts at territorial gains.

If Maria Aismonth said one word that wouldn't fit with the chechen propaganda, she would be killed in the minute.

Kim,
slight correction(again)- I never said I missed Baranov. I do wanna face bASSayev, though. Shame??? AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING SHAMEFUL ABOUT MEN BEING MEN and FACING THEIR ENEMIES(yes, I cosider him an enemy an I just pray that he can bring up his points instead of just barking around).

Gonzo,

the answer is - yes, I do.

Dimitry,
I am also in agreement with you. I also believe that that is the reason for the 533 reported Russian military deaths in Chechnya. I am prior service U.S. Marine and fought in Vietnam. Sometime we have to take a good look at our own Government intentions. Personnely, I believe that NATO is after the Chechnyan oil. Question why are there so many Saudi Arabians in Chechnya?

Alex Smirnitski,

Then try talking, also I suggest you go back and read some other posts-
You jumped in on the basis of one conversation-
I get the feeling you still don't understand what I was getting at. Unfortunately neither did Igor.
Like you too wrapped up in stereotypical ideas of who you have decided I am.

As I said : " I can't HEAR you(what you are really saying), when you shout at me.( put me on the defensive.)

I accept that I have no experience of what it is like in Chechnia- I think all this hate is self-perpetuating- Where will it stop?
The best way to stop terrorism,is to offer ordinary people something better to believe in.
(based on what I know of Northern Ireland- my Irish family are Catholics).

I don't want to defend anyone here-I am just wondering if there isn't perhaps a better way to deal with all these conflicts. Whether the Russia v.America battle is really helping the people suffering the terrible things you discribe.

The point I got hung up on yesterday was a more theoretical question about bias in ALL media- not an exercise in telling the Russian people how terrible they are.

Kim

(Bitterness and anger prevail amongst the refugees in Znamenskoye, and the same sentiments are equally expressed by the local population.

"Since the Russians arrived I still haven't received my salary. Only the teachers get paid by the local administration," says Aminat -- a 20-year-old nurse who hasn't been paid for several years.)

WELL, WHAT THE •••• DO YOU EXPECT? DO YOU ••••••• THINK YOU ARE GOING TO GET YOUR GOD DAMN SALARY OVER NIGHT YOU ••••••• MATERIALSTIC BITCH! GO TO AMERICA WITH THE REST OF THE IMMIGRANTS IF YOU DONT LIKE LIVING IN RUSSIA!

koko,
self-critisism is good..and so I've used it when I was talking about "Moskovits". But you really are a putz if you're trying to attack someone when they are admitting to their downsides..by the way - I am very calm, calm , calm...and you are very...putz, putz, putz 😉

ALEX Well said

Bones,
If that's the case, and you are so nutural(???) about the whe whole thing..hmm..then why the hell are you bringing up something that was already discussed and agreed upon a long time ago. Every Regular on this board is aware that propaganda comes from both sides.

Oh and one more thing, what is this bullshit that i hear West calling Caucas blacks freedom fighters? What the hell is going on!?!?!?
Freedom fighters my ass, they are terrorists bandits! What if i call criminals or anti americans living in U.S. freedom fighters too. Maybe America's Texas wants to cecede! Long live Texas!

Read the press...

" Georgia has denied Russian charges that Chechen rebels move supplies
and reinforcements through its territory."
So where do they come from. From Dagestan or Azerbaidjan?

" Residents mostly shelter in cellars, emerging like phantoms... Some have been
eating pigeons to survive."
I'v red it already 20 times. If this is not brainwashing...

" Boka Amayeva, a 42-year-old Chechen refugee tried to travel to Grozny to bring out her
mother. But the Russian troops would not let her into Chechnya.
``At the refugee camp they want us to go home to Chechnya,'' she
said. ``But the federal troops won't let us near our homes.''"

Of course if it's in Grozny. Stupid!!!!

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