Fred,
I suppose you may be right but the thing is, it's their choice right? Unless of course they were being held by the rebels and there's been no individual reports of that. Just Govt. garbage and how would they know?
As far as the rebels thinking the US supports them then they're as nuts as Igor, pure and simple. The West is only concerned about civilian casualties. That's my opinion anyways. These militants will die, they know it and they've been waiting for it. They just want to take some Russians with them. You don't see the West providing any military hardware to them do you? If so, just post a link, independent of course.
BONES if you agree about all the things they did except for bombings is that not enough reasons to kill them . http://emperors-clothes.com/index.htm I beleive Iposted it 3 or 4 days ago .As far as ignorance goes ,Ignorant does not mean that I should agree with you ,it means lack of knowledge and that my friend I am not lacking as I did not start following politics when Kosovo started but 30 yrs worth so if you want to convince me of something you need to provide facts not act as a messenger. Seeif you can get the documentary THE VALLEY to get a perspective on KOSOVO unlike the crap your gov't spewed I saw it on NEWSWORLD INTERNATIONAL. Maybe you can E-Mail them and they will tell you how to obtain it . www.nwitv.com
Bones when you go to http the authors name is DR. SEAN GERVASI
BONES when you go to that site read WHY IS NATO IN YUGOSLAVIA and tell me that does not make sense or have any substance to it .The article was written 1996 before KOSOVO or CHECHNYA 2
My brother @@,
Thanks for your support. I 100% agree with you. This KUFFARS are teking chance of our weakness. We are really weak. I think you rade my last message where I wrote what would happen if we were some thing. Don't you think Muslim force would go and invade Russia and save our brothers? But today there is no Khalid, no Sultan Mahmood Gaznavi, no Hazzan Bin Yousuf because of our own love for this world. I want to tell you two historical fact-
1. (I won't remember the time) It was the time when Hazzaz Bin Yousuf was the king ruler of HIZAZ and Indian subcontinent was rulled by Hindu kings.
Muslim had business with the Srilankans. Once one fleet was going back to Hizaz after their business from Srilanka but on their way back a storm came and they lost their path. their ships were dameged. In that situation they found a shore and hoped to get some halp from the people by those people were hostile to them and they robbed the ship and also abused the muslim women. One women was crying and told "O Hazzaz Bib Yousuf, May be now you are in a comfortable palace, when your mother and sisters are getting raped." In reply one told her Hazzaz lives in Arabia he will never hear about you and even is he get inform about it he will never come to rescue you. But some how Hazzaz Bin Yousuf got inform about it and send his representative to The king of that country King Dahir. O that place is now in Pakistan, Karachi. Dahir ignored the Hazzaz and told him that he cannot do anything about it. It made Hazzaz so mad, so He asked permission from The Khalifa who was living in Baghdad. After getting permissin he send a army so punish Dahir. But the muslim arny was destroyes under the feet of Dahir's elephant. So Hazzaz again send army and again the same result. So now Hazzaz was reall worried and decided to send another army which was led by his own son-in-law, Muhammad Bib Kasim. He was only 17 and was from Taif. Finally Muhammad bin Kasim defited Dahir and destroyed his elephant force.
So now tell me is their any muslim country who can do this for the muslims. But definately there are lots of indevidual who can do so. That's the reason Khattab was in Afghanistan, now in Chechnya. That's why lots of Chechan Mujahedeen from Chechnya went to Kosove for Jihad. Inshallah some day will come when we the true muslims will be able to establish a true muslim country.
I will tell the story of Sultan Mahmood Gaznavi later Inshallah.
May Allah Bless you.
Ramadan Mubarak
Fred Le Dingue
I will came backe with all your answer soon.
Basayev everything you say is some faery tale from the past .Is that all can say. And who said MUSLIM GOD is great maybe Christian God is greater.Get educated instead of babbling your faery tales
To Fred,
You stick to your opinion that is fine with me and I respect it. About ethnic diversity, it's no different one village is supporting fighter another don’t is natural, no group or a party has 100% support of people that why we have elections. Chechan opted for independence so let them have it. Chechnia never been russia, it’s always been occupied by russian by force and wants to continue the old colonial and barbaric past, then the people of russia will face the brunt of this stupidity of there politicians. The economic boat to prosperity for it’s people will be lost for long time to come, this is the price russian will pay not shedding it’s barbaric past.
Accepting chechen president and chechen people is the beauty of choice my friend, if we continue to impose our will by force then “World is not enough”.
Bones
Everybody on this board would love to know the truth of everithing; Me as a simple human I can provide a proof i.e the bomb attacks in Moscow are by the rebels. I simply personaly supose they did but that's my opinion.
As for US help to the Chechens I simply noticed that they did help the Kosovars (and they were right) and that they might trend to do the same with the Chechens. Why not?
It would be crazy of course considering the nature of this mafia-nationalist-islamist guerilla.
But the west used to fail in figuring out what is realy the situation. They beleive for instance that Chechenya is part of Europe...!! If not what the Org for Security in Europe (Osce) would do there?
I can tell you that Europe finish at Terspol-Brest crosspoint between Poland and Bielorussia.
Beyond this limit, better no to go by car... and it's still far from Chechenya.
Not all the world will enter the 21th century in 2 weeks. Some, islamists will enter the 3th milenium BC only, while Russia will enter...let's say the 11th century AD...
PS Sorry Igor...
Please read
I CAN'T provide a proof i.e the bomb attacks in Moscow ...
igor Muslim God is the god who created you from A sparm. Not only you but also your whole family. If you are that Powerful than why did you lost in Afghanistan. this is the quality of the russians like you and putin, who don't have any shame. Tell me why did you lost the war. Why did not the whole russian army could take just the Panjsheer vally.
This is not a tale this is history.
I think I will need to talk to you more
Asqar
I'm glad to read from some moderate kike you.
Chechenya is occupied by Russia since the begining of the 19th century if I remember.
I agree that's stupid from russia to stick with its colonial past. The French did the same with Algeria.
But you seem to forget some recent events that give some good reasons to attack this time.
I won't repeat them, just read Igor postings.
I hope the Chechen poeple will be able after this war to recover independence or autonomy with normal leaders, not gangsters or islamists.
Don't forget that at the split of USSR Russia yield the bulk of it to independance or autonomy. See Kazakhstan,Uzbekistan, the Baltic states...
Igor if your God is enough powerful than ask them to help in Chechnya. Nither your God help you in Afghanistan nor he will in Chechnya. Because you worship human and wealth and power. Whatever you say or do you have lost and will me doomed soon with Russia. Don't forget to take Putin with you.
There is no question of Muslim or Christian God.
God is one and only one.
BONES Read some of the stuff when you enter authors on the left side. Interesting that a lot of them share the same views .Can they all be wrong? I have to tell you that I had a lot of the same ideas before reading so it just reinforced my own analysis.
BASAYEV why did you call him Muslim God in your last posting or you just can't remember what you said. Are you reading from a book. More of BIN'LADEN people arrested, just heard on news.