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December 30, 1999 7:29 pm
What RF lacks and badly needs is some global, preferably, English-language TV network to counter offhand irresponsible arrogant remarks aimed at RF from the ruins of any "empire" mourning its empire past. England would be better off realising its sorry colonial position regarding the US.
Granting Chechnya independence would mean creating another "heavily industrialized and developed nation" of Caucasian Albania, that would immediately militarize with the help of hard-core "protestant" missionary mullahs and, eventually, slump into afghanistanisation with various clans fighting for lucrative positions (just like in real-time Albania, based on clan structure as well, and where a blood revenge is an adopted norm). Chechens would trickle from that "developed" country into RF at all costs like Albanians did before. Various GOs and NGOs might run (and get occasionally kidnapped) around Chechnya wringing hands and blah-blahing about the RuFed cold heart, that wouldn't feed that "developed" pisspot. So, RF would be to blame again. (Those "Western" crybabies and busybodies always need someone or something to blame, because the idea, that they might be wrong themselves just wouldn't ring a bell to them. Kind of anathema.) That position would require a USSR-style air-tight border, which would be challenged on a daily basis by those "proud, freedom-loving" kidnappers, child molesters and other scumbags, that wouldn't want to do anything useful, but fight, because, it would be (and is now) the only "profession" they now. Border skirmishes would lead to another big armed conflict in which the "West" would again whine and blah-blah. Bands like those just need to, have to fight to sustain themselves. Like Napoleon said once, that the army should sustain itself by itself. Only now the feeding frenzy would be "justified" by crazy fundamentalist mullahs.
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December 30, 1999 7:51 pm
The militants blew up another chlorine reservoire, and the wind carried the cloud on to their positions.
December 30, 1999 9:05 pm
Moguch and velik russian language :)))
I have not have much practice in reading(speaking) russian untill I got to this site.
December 30, 1999 9:08 pm
See
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/europe/123099russia-chechnya.html
to know how russia treats its own FRIENDS!!
Thank God we are russia's Enemies!!!
A Muslim
December 30, 1999 9:22 pm
"Moguch and velik russian language :)))"
Damn straight 🙂 ..in all aspects..
December 30, 1999 9:23 pm
Serb,
Ya mind posting a link besides a Yugoslav one as to the downing of those planes? And it has yet been explained why the Serb Army, paramilitaries and such left Kosovo if you weren't being hit that hard. Lemme guess, you only had 13 tanks. Just doesn't look like sound military strategy.
Oh, could someone help me with this one. I'd hate to think Rog is right.
Putin warns Russians of slide into third world
Yeltsin's Russia: special report
Anna Dolgov in Moscow
Thursday December 30, 1999
Russia is in danger of sliding into the ranks of third world countries and needs a tough government to avoid that fate, according to an article on the government's new web site by the prime minister, Vladimir Putin.
The cabinet site was launched this week with Mr Putin's piece, entitled Russia at the Threshold of the Millennium.
"Russia is going through one of the most difficult periods in its multi-century history. Probably for the first time in the past 200-300 years, it faces a real danger of finding itself in the second, or even third rank of the world's states," the article said.
Free market and democratic reforms could help solve Russia's ailments, he said, but they had to be carried out gradually and under close control by the state.
"Russia will not quickly, if ever, become a second edition of, say, the United States or Britain, where liberal values have a deep historic tradition," Mr Putin wrote. The country "needs a strong state power and must have it". He was not, he added, appealing "for a totalitarian system."
Straight from the horse's mouth, if you will. This isn't why ya need China and India is it? And will you finish off those damn rebels for christ's sake!
Ok...beat me up, it's the Russian way afterall.
December 30, 1999 9:24 pm
EY, Blyadi! Vi Dmitri,tam esho Svoloch kakya to
balalaika,Igor urodi!! Ohueli vi vse, moskali..
vi cho tam tselymi dnyami sidite v internete drochite svoi huishki, urodi !! hui vam a ne balalaika! Chernomorskiy flot nash!!!
Vas blyadey davit nado pidarov vonyuchih,idite vse
nahuy so svoimi chechentsami vi ves mir zaebali!!
Vam cho delat nehuy, volki pozornii, jidy vi vse i tatary , hui vam a ne Krim!!
December 30, 1999 9:32 pm
I guess I should translate it
"moguch and velik" = "great and strong" or something like that. It comes from poem.
Balalayka and Saul:
yes, the article has some interest in it, but there are also some problems with it.
1. It is easy for someone else (from different) country or of different orientation to criticize and point floaws in other people/country.
2. I am firm believe that you can suggest others to change if you have done it yourself.
3. All other country (U.K.) still have problems (Irish, welsh, scotish..)
4. In dividing former impires the question comes in mind, there would you draw the boundry?
I would like to remind everyone, that russia historically came from city state Kiev.
5. I also believe that most of the people from other countries have some other reason for russia to be split even more. I would think, that only if people of russia, can say if they want to be in federation or not.
Thanks
December 30, 1999 9:37 pm
to Ukrainian:
ti xoxlina voniuchaia- ne pishov bi ti z'iv troshki sala, huh govniuk?! Ti i tvoia EBANAIA BAT'KIVSCHINA SOSETE XYI U NAS. eSLIB IA TEB'A VSTRETIL, XOXOL, NEMITII - TI BI Y MEN'A SOSAL DOOOOLGO I NYYYYYDNO. POSHEL NAB XYI SO SVOEI TELIACHOIU MOVOIU, PONIAL LOX?
December 30, 1999 9:45 pm
muslim:
Just read the article you posted.
It is a war out there, what do you expect. Did you paid attention to the story? Federal troops the coming to this village and were bloodly ambushed by terrorists. I do not advocate the russian response by killing innocent people, it is wrong and guilty should stand a trial, but it is WAR out there. Have you been in one???
Terrorists always use civilian as shields and pretend to be one when they need it. Unfortunately, federal solders are not train properly to deal with this situation, they are going there and looking for enemy who kills them.
I also understand that federal procuror is looking into it and couple officers were arrested.
Thanks
December 30, 1999 9:49 pm
Sho tam za kazyol ebanniy etot Dima! Ti bolnoy na golovu moskal,!! Malo vas veshali na udavkax gandonov drannix!!Davay svoy adres ya tebe pechen iz pasti dostanu fofan ti tryapochy!!!
Baklanit tolko mozhesh po internetu kogda ne drochish!
December 30, 1999 9:53 pm
bones:
Straight from the horse's mouth, if you will. This isn't why ya need China and India is it? And will you finish off those damn rebels for christ's sake!
Are you saying this is not correct way for this particular country?
I would like to remind you that russia was never democratic country, no did it ever had well developed free market, I should say did not have any experience in free market for at least 80 years. What do you expect goverment should do? Follow exact path of USA? I will be the first to say that USA is the greatest country, but USA way to democracy is USA way. Russia must find its own way. We should help it if we can. This transformation will take time, people's mentality must change first.
So from this point, I believe the things Putin said were quite appropriate (I judge his speech by you posting)
Thanks
December 30, 1999 9:58 pm
ukrainian:
are you actually from Ukrain?
What part?
thanks
December 30, 1999 11:05 pm
drake:
That was the excuse they gave after the event.
Tell me those drunken, looting, excuses for
troops were going to be thinking rationally before
acting.
A Muslim.
December 30, 1999 11:19 pm
Drake,
"Straight from the horse's mouth, if you will. This isn't why ya need China and India is it? And will you finish off those damn rebels for christ's sake!"
"Straight from the horse's mouth" is a figure of speech in the West and not meant in a derogatory manner. And the last sentence is nothing but a bit of sarcasm for my russian "buds".
By the way, I understand war and the whole human shield thing but two things stick out about that whole situation. 1) Why did Russian troops threaten to shoot a person they later learned to be an Official? Is this the way soldiers should act? I hope not. 2) Please explain why these same soldiers looted the village or parts there of after said ambush. I would also love to know why would ANYBODY steal somebody else's photo albumn, as was reported. This seems extremely petty.
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