And yes, I did read the whole thing.
Know your opponnent.

K.A.

Russia will win in Chechnya because it is right in defending its own country. I cant wait to see the fireworks on the 11th when those cowardly Muslims will be lit up like Christmas trees.

Dear Dimitry, You've really gone too far, and continue a senseless made-up conflict! I would somehow understand that, if directed against Adam R., but not at Kim Arx, who, haven't made any stupid adam-style attacks against Russia or Russians.

Stop Being An Idiot, arx, hahaha
When I told you my conversation in Russian had nothing to do with you, I meant it. I was telling my friends why I thought that Russian and Rambo were one person and that is what I was discussing. Now, is that considered a "hate compain", you paranoid prick???? I didn't think so. So next time before you bark at me, do a better research or something, will ya?
:0)

Kim,
I understodd the previous passage. The process of a nation involved in a transitionary state has an affect on the people themselves. The collective consciousness (if I may use sociological terminology) of a nation is affected by the socio-politcal forces that provide the dynamics of a given society. Hopefully, the frustrations that run prevalent in the minds of the people don't become harnessed by acts of desperation. This is mainly channeled through nationalistic or relgious mediums. Some people just can't see past these frustrations. It comes to a point where primal behavior is the only answer. I commend your civilized tone when you handle such hate-driven heathens. In saying this, I believe a verbal assault by our slavic friends is inevitable. This vicious pattern of response is just too predictible.

Where is that ••••••• Bernstein . I hope they threw that idiot off That guy needs to go see a doctor. And you too adam r ,you dont have a clue . Take your head out of your A-S-S

Comsomolets Dobrovolets

npubet bcem pycckum

To Kissie:
Hi Kissie. I trully believe that I am not the one who started the whole thing. Call me sensetive but when I hear poisony comments by her aimed to show one's superiority(comments like "stop being clever with me"), telling me how bad I am, when I I try to do is to defend my country from the insults - I snap. I know I didn't start it. And since you agree with me that Adam R. is just being stupid, why is it that she(arx) is teaming up with him? Just read her messages addressed to Adam. I naturally assumed she must be agreeing with him and therefore took his side. Tell me What do you think about that?
-Dimitri

dmitri tu b Kanade

to Igor
nea..ne sovsem..a tu gde

I am very happy that Russia is asserting itself again .If it was the old days Kosovo would never have happened . Kosovo was the biggest lie . I see the same parallel in Chechnya .Ask yourself where are all the Chechen men when they show the refugees .The answer is they are part of the damn militants. Just as in Kosovo they cried about all the dead Kosovars and then at the end of the war they all mysteriously rose from the dead. Also I noticed that when the news shows inocent dead civilians they are dressed in military fatigues. Also I noticed that they keep showing the same civilians as they did a month ago . Anyone care to respond?

from New York Times:
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Trapped by War and Politics in a Cheerless
Chechen Town



By MICHAEL R. GORDON

NAMENSKOYE, Russia -- The brutish war in Chechnya is
alternately portrayed as Russian troops' trying to put down
"terrorists" or freedom-loving Islamic rebels' seeking to throw off
Russian domination. But there are no heroes in Znamenskoye.

The Russians have forced their way into this town in northwest Chechnya,
but they have also brought a measure of stability, townspeople say. The
militants may include Chechen patriots, they add, but they also have among
them thieves and adventurers from the Middle East.

People here say they have often
felt caught in the middle and
abused by both sides. Such is the
fate of Znamenskoye, a cheerless
town of about 6,000 people that
has passed from Russia's
dominion to the control of the
Chechen government in Grozny --
and now back again.

"The Russian presence is simply a
reality now," Ibrahim Sultakhanov,
the 40-year-old director of the
town's Secondary School No. 2,
said with a sense of fatalism.
"What people really want is
stability."

The baleful tale of Znamenskoye
is a part of Chechnya's tangled
history. Chechnya is a republic in
which clans and village ties often
play a decisive role, and
Znamenskoye has sometimes
found itself the odd man out.

Many of residents in this
agricultural region were never
enthusiastic backers of Dzhokhar
Dudayev, the first president of the
first breakaway Chechen
republic, who was born into a
poor family in southern Chechnya
and died in a Russian air strike in
1996.

Like the rest of northern
Chechnya, Znamenskoye's
proximity to Russian territory has
made it less hostile to Moscow
than the capital of Grozny and
southern Chechen regions. But
while its new Russian masters are
hoping to turn the town into a
showcase of how Chechens can
live contently under Moscow's
rule, it will take a lot of work to
change the weary resignation of
Znamenskoye's residents into
loyalty.

"How can the Russians bring
order here?" said a 25-year-old
saleswoman in Znamenskoye's
bedraggled marketplace who
gave her name only as Medina.
"Just look at the television. They
can't even run their own country.
It looks like a war is going on
there."

Certainly, life in this town was difficult even under Chechen rule. After
Chechenya won its de facto independence in 1996, teachers went without
salaries, surviving on small handouts from the equally impoverished parents
of their students.

The problems were not just a matter of money. Once in power, the
Chechen authorities in Grozny imposed their own brand of domination.
Sharia, or Islamic Law, became a required subject at Znamenskoye's
Secondary School. The Chechen government began a program to
substitute Chechen in the classroom for Russian, a language people here
see as essential for their children to prosper beyond Chechnya's narrow
borders.

When teachers were accredited, Chechen authorities were more interested
in their political background than in their teaching skills, Sultakhanov, the
school director, recalled ruefully.

Life outside the school was harder still. Znamenskoye, as with much of the
rest of Chechnya, was a dangerous place. Sultakhanov's cousin was
kidnapped by one of the lawless bands that roam the countryside, a
common crime. He was returned for a hefty ransom.

"How can we have independence if it means marauders can just run
around the place," said Arbi, a 34-year-old Chechen Interior Ministry
official from the nearby town of Naur, who declined to give his last name.
"We are not ready for this stage of development."

But it is also far from clear that they are ready for the Russians.

Winning the hearts and minds of Znamenskoye's residents is the task of
Maj. Gen. Vladimir A. Kovrov, the Russian military commandant of the
Nadrerechny district, the region of 50,000 that is administered from
Znamenskoye. The population of Nadrerechny is overwhelmingly Chechen
and only 47 ethnic Russians still reside in the region, General Kovrov said.

General Kovrov strolls through the town like a small-town mayor,
accompanied by two gun-toting bodyguards, promising help and fielding
complaints. The townspeople are of all ages, and include young men who
do not fight for either side.

There have already been some changes at the secondary school. It now
uses a Russian curriculum, which is fine with many parents who fear that
their young children may lose the ability to speak Russian and perhaps one
day attend the university there. And at the parents' request, the foreign
language their children are being taught is no longer Arabic but English.

Teachers have also received three months of back wages, at a rate of 700
rubles, or $26, a month. Pensioners received a 260-ruble stipend for
November, or about $10, a pittance but still the first pension residents have
received in years.

But there is still a crying need for food, clothes and other assistance,
despite donations from some Russian regions. To try and rejuvenate the
economy, General Kovrov used the proceeds from traffic fines and phone
calls to start a local bank.

"It may not be absolutely legal to open a bank without a license," said
General Kovrov. "But we have to do something to start normal life."

Not everything, however, has gone smoothly.

Residents complain that even when they have proper documents and
passes Russian troops demand bribes at checkpoints outside town. Medina,
who travels to the Russian cities of Mozdok and Pyatigorsk to find the
cooking oil, coffee, snack foods and household goods for her stall, said the
Russian soldiers demand 50 rubles, or about $2, to walk past a checkpoint
and 1,000 rubles, or about $38, to pass by car.

And Arbi said he was still trying to recover two trucks that were
confiscated by soldiers from Russia's 205th Brigade.

Nobody knows for sure how long the military occupation will last, or when
the two sides will trust each another enough to allow the local residents to
run their own affairs.

In an interview in his headquarters, a heavily guarded building where the
window frames were piled high with sandbags to guard against drive-by
shootings and snipers, General Kovrov said the hope was to hold elections
this summer so that his region could pick a new leadership.

"And then," he added optimistically, "this place will be just like any other in
Russia."

Svoloch ( - 147.72.64.11) on Thursday, December 9, 1999 - 03:40 pm:
ICEMANNIX
You are not serious are you? Let's be realistic the only way we Russians can kick your ass is maybe by our nukes but you would do the same thing so nobody wins. But I think your army is much better trained that ours. Can you tell me how did you get your point of view?

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SVOLOC
My point of view is our overcareful, sympathetic leaders that would not allow us to crush anyone....they would rather work out a deal orally even when they know it is too late....and meanwhile while we were having a tea partyh trying to work things out with our troops ready to kick butt....Russia would sneak in and do what needs to be done to win the war......intelligently...war is war.....kick butt and take names....that's what Russia does...It doesn't matter how troops are trained and what arsenal you have if you don't use it

Dmitri iam in T.O.