Rifles in the truck with Pristina license plates
February 09, 2000

February in Kosovo - terrorists continue the war

Sofia, February 9th 2000. (Tanjug) - On the Kapetan Andreevo border crossing, on the Bulgaria-Turkey border, Bulgarian customs officers discovered 35 hunting rifles worthy around 15.000 lev, the same in DEM in a truck with Pristina license plates, it was said in Sofia today.


The truck was driven by an Albanian whose name is not known and who had Yugoslav travel permit. The police stated that a worker of the Pristina firm "Pranc" Murtuk Sadik (29) was also in the truck.


The rifles were hidden under a plank on a massive machine for carpentry, said the customs office in Svilengrad.


During the last couple of weeks, Bulgarian customs officers found many personal and other weapons at the Albanians from Kosovo. They traveled from the countries of West Europe, via Rumania and Bulgaria to Kosovo and Macedonia, also from Turkey via Macedonia and Bulgaria to Pristina

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THAT PRISON STORY IS SUCH A LIE, I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD FALL FOR IT. RUSSIAN EDUCATION IS STILL ONE OF THE BEST EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES TEACHERS DON'T GET PAID FOR MONTHS! ANYWAY, IN ORDER TO SERVE IN RUSSIAN ARMY YOU HAVE TO PASS SOME TESTS, AND DUMBFUCKS ARE NOT RECRUITED. NOBODY WANTS SOME IMBECILE MISREAD "POINT THAT WAY" SIGN. ON THE OTHER HAND, CHECHENS DIDN'T HAVE ANY EDUCATION SINCE 1991. YOU FIGURE OUT THE REST.

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NICE STORY, ANDREI BABITSKY SAYS, "I WANT MY MOMMY!"

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BillJ… LMAO AT YOU.

Jesus man! Were did you learn your ABC's. LOL. You freaking message has given me a headache while trying to decipher it…LOL.

You Stolychnya - Rooskies are living in LA-LA land. The U.S. has not been avoiding you - just the opposite we have been itching for a fight. We have gone so far as to B-O-M-B the S-H-I-T out of your "Serb-brother" right back to the middle ages RIGHT IN YOUR BACKYARD. BillJ did you forget this.

You Rooskies better relax or we just might cut aid to you, and starve you into submission. LOL. Pass me your address and I will send you a one-dollar bill to feed your family for a month - and pick up yourself a nice 40 ouncer of subsidized Vodka. LMAO.

By Bones ( - 209.211.228.200) on Wednesday, February 9, 2000 - 03:18 pm:

>Antonio,

>Nice save but what got stuck on my shoes was
>the feces the dribbled from the hole under your
>nose.

As I looked down and only saw the street, you must be implying that you spend a significant portion of your time in the city sewers. Now we know what you are! How about that - a rat who can type on a keyboard and surf the web! So now we know what you were doing in missile silos - eating leftover Dominoes pizza with extra cheese.


>And since you had nothing to say about putting
>that disclaimer up, you know the one,
>"Religious Zealot Ahead" then I must of hit the
>nail on the head.

Agnosticism is defined as of or relating to the belief that existence of any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable. But in order to say that the existence of God is unknown, one must first know for certain that there is no one who knows Him. But those in Heaven certainly know Him, and those in Hell certainly are aware of His existence, and unless every single human being is surveyed as to whether or not he knows God, there is no way for the Agnostic to bring conclusive proof to substantiate his assertion. And certainly there is no evidence that the Agnostic can introduce to support his belief that the existence of God is unknowable, for first he has to know what God is and and know His existence in order to be able to claim that such existence is unknowable.

Therefore, Agnostics are absurd and have no foundation from which to say anything, and there is nothing of value that the Agnostic has to offer - no wisdom, no knowledge, no teaching, nothing. Therefore, Agnostics are to be ignored as the ultimate of all fools, even more ridculous than Atheists, who at least, even though they are completely wrong, are firm believers in their error, whereas Agnostics make an absurd article of faith out of uncertainty.


>With that said, you may now climb down off
>your soapbox and start your preaching "I hate
>the USA" on the streets of East Los Angeles.
>You've earned it.

As Jesus Christ said: "For God sent not His Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world might be saved by Him. He that believeth in Him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the judgement: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved. But he that doth truth, cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, because they are done in God." (St. John 3:17-21)

One thing that sticks out in Islam is that most of the rites and practices adopted into the religion are actually pagan customs that Muhammad claimed were sanctioned by God. In fact, we find that Muhammad before, during, and after his mission continued to perform rites that from a biblical perspective are nothing more than idolatry. For instance, we are told that prior to his calling, Muhammad made sacrifices to the pagan idols:


Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said that he met Zaid bin 'Amr Nufail at a place near Baldah and this had happened before Allah's Apostle received the Divine Inspiration. Allah's Apostle presented a dish of meat (that had been offered to him by the pagans) to Zaid bin 'Amr, but Zaid refused to eat of it and then said (to the pagans), "I do not eat of what you slaughter on your stone altars (Ansabs) nor do I eat except that on which Allah's Name has been mentioned on slaughtering." (Sahi Bukhari 7:407)


Despite the fact that the parenthetical statement "to the pagans" is not part of the Arabic text, the point is still clear that Muhammad ate food sacrificed to idols that Zaid refused to partake.

In fact, Muhammad's indulgence in idolatrous practices continued right into his alleged prophetic calling. For instance, after Muhammad encountered "Gabriel" Ibn Ishaq states:


"And when the apostle of God had finished his period of seclusion and returned (to Mecca), in the first place he performed the circumabulation of the Ka'ba, as was his wont. While he was doing it, Waraqa met him and said, ‘O son of my brother, tell me what thou hast seen and heard.'" (Alfred Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad [Oxford University Press, Karachi], p. 107)


We must keep in mind that at this time in Muhammad's life, there was no revelation confirming that the Kaba was originally built by Abraham and Ishmael. That came later in his life. As far as Muhammad was concerned, the Kaba was nothing more than a pagan shrine erected in honor of pagan deities.

The Quran itself commanded Muslims to continue practicing the pagan rites as part of the religion:


"Behold! Safa and Marwa are among the Symbols of Allah. So if those who visit the House in the Season or at other times, should compass them round, it is no sin in them. And if any one obeyeth his own impulse to good,- be sure that Allah is He Who recogniseth and knoweth." S. 2:158


Yusuf Ali states:


"The virtue of patient perseverance in faith leads to the mention of two symbolic monuments of that virtue. These are two little hills of Safa and Marwa, now absorbed in the city of Mecca and close to the well of Zam-zam. Here, according to tradition, the lady Hajar, the mother of the infant Isma'il, prayed for water in the parched desert, and in her eager quest round these hills, she found here prayer answered and saw the Zam-zam spring. Unfortunately, the Pagan Arabs had placed a male and female idol here, and their gross superstitious rites caused offense to the early Muslims. They felt some hesitation in going round these places during the Pilgrimage. As a matter of fact they should have known that the Ka'ba (the House of God) had been itself defiled with idols, and was sanctified again by the purity of Muhammad's life and teaching. The lesson is that the most sacred things may be turned to the basest uses; that we are not therefore necessarily to ban a thing misused; that if our intentions and life are pure, God will recognize them even if the world cast stones at us because of some evil associations which they join with what we do, or with the people we associate with, or with the places which claim our reverence." (Ali, Holy Quran, f. 160, p. 62)


Despite the fact that there is not a single shred of evidence to support that Hagar was in Mecca or that Zam-zam was the well that sprung forth miraculously by the angel, Ali admits that the hills of Safa and Marwa originally housed two pagan idols. The Hadith concurs that the Muslims were hesitant to run between these two hills due to the connection with Arab paganism:


I said to 'Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, and I was at that time a young boy, "How do you interpret the Statement of Allah: "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah." So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj to the House of Allah) or perform the Umra, to ambulate (Tawaf) between them. In my opinion it is not sinful for one not to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." 'Aisha said, "Your interpretation is wrong for as you say, the Verse should have been: "So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj or Umra to the House, not to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.' This Verse was revealed in connection with the Ansar who (during the Pre-Islamic Period) used to visit Manat (i.e. an idol) after assuming their Ihram, and it was situated near Qudaid (i.e. a place at Mecca), and they used to regard it sinful to ambulate between Safa and Marwa after embracing Islam. When Islam came, they asked Allah's Apostle about it, whereupon Allah revealed:-- "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra, to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." (2.158) (Sahi Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 22)

Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman:

I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." (2.158) (Sahi Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23)


Other practices that were adopted into Islam include:


And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment. S. 2:196


Yusuf Ali comments:


"When this was revealed, the city of Mecca was in the hands of the enemies of Islam, and the regulations about the fighting and the pilgrimage came together and interconnected. But the revelation provides, as always, for the particular occasion, and also for normal conditions. Mecca soon passed out of the hands of the enemies of Islam…" (Ali, Holy Quran, f. 214, p. 78)

So when ye have accomplished your holy rites, celebrate the praises of Allah, as ye used to celebrate the praises of your fathers,- yea, with far more Heart and soul. There are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us (Thy bounties) in this world!" but they will have no portion in the Hereafter. S. 2:200


Again Yusuf Ali,


After Pilgrimage, in Pagan times, the pilgrims used to gather in assembles in which the praises of ancestors were sung. As the whole of the pilgrimage was spiritualized in Islam, so this aftermath of the Pilgrimage was also spiritualized. It was recommended from pilgrims to stay on three days after the pilgrimage, but they must use them in prayer and praise to God" (Yusuf Ali, Holy Quran, f. 223, p. 80)


Hence, Allah commanded Muslims to observe the pagan customs right alongside the Arab pagans and their 360 idols. Some of these practices included kissing the black stone:


Narrated Salim that his father said: I saw Allah's Apostle arriving at Mecca; he kissed the Black Stone Corner first while doing Tawaf and did ramal in the first three rounds of the seven rounds (of Tawaf). (Sahih Bukhari 2:673)

Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Sahih Bukhari 2:667, Sahih Bukhari 2:675, Sahih Bukhari 2:676, Sahih Bukhari 2:679, Sahih Bukhari 2:680)


The reason behind Umar's reluctance in kissing the black object is that the pagan Arabs also performed this ritual. Muhammad kept this pagan practice, a practice that Umar reluctantly observed. Yet, since he saw his prophet kissing it, he was obligated to follow suit.

Sheikh Sha'rawi says:


"The kissing of the meteorite is a firm practice in Islamic law because Muhammad did it. You must not ask about the wisdom behind that because this rite is (an expression) of worship in spite of the obscurity of its wisdom" (Sha'rawi, Legal Opinions, pt. 3, p. 167 as cited in Behind the Veil, p. 287)


Muslim practices such as gathering on Friday and the four sacred months of Islam were also pre-Islamic customs:


Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. S. 9:5 Pickthall

Lo! the number of the months with Allah is twelve months by Allah's ordinance in the day that He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred: that is the right religion. So wrong not yourselves in them. And wage war on all of the idolaters as they are waging war on all of you. And know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). Postponement (of a sacred month) is only an excess of disbelief whereby those who disbelieve are misled; they allow it one year and forbid it (another) year, that they may make up the number of the months which Allah hath hallowed, so that they allow that which Allah hath forbidden. The evil of their deeds is made fair seeming unto them. Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk. S. 9:36-37


One author writes in relation to these passages:


"In Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-'Arab, we read, 'The four sacred months, Rajab, Dhu al-Qa'da, Dhu al-Hijja and Muharram, had been considered sacred during the pre-Islamic period [Jahiliya]. Raids, taking revenge, war, fighting and disputes were forbidden during them. If a man were to meet his enemy who killed his father or brother during these months, he would not quarrel with him... During the sacred months, [the people] were under restriction not to fight or make raids, and had to remove [their] spearheads as a sign that they would avoid fighting at all costs.' Obviously, Islam borrowed the hallowing of these months from Pre-Islamic Arabs and introduced nothing new into the world." ('Abdallah 'Abd al-Fadi, Is the Qur'an Infallible? [Light of Life PO Box 13 A-9503 VILLACH AUSTRIA], p. 127)


Interestingly, Muhammad abrogates the command forbidding fighting in the sacred months in order to allow Muslims the right to wage war against the unbelievers:


The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves. S. 2:194


They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And whoso becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein. S. 2:217 Pickthall


Yusuf Ali tries to jsutify Allah's decree to retaliate against the unbelievers in the sacred months:


Haram-prohibited., sacred. The month of the Pilgrimage (Zul-hajj) was a sacred month in which warfare was prohibited by Arab custom. The month preceding (Zul-qa'd) and the month following (Muharram) were included in the prohibition, and Muharram was specially called al-Haram. Possibly Muharram is meant in the first line (author- S. 2:194), and the other months and other prohibited things in "all things prohibited". In Rajab, also war was prohibited. If the pagan enemies of Islam broke that custom and made war in the prohibited months, the Muslims were free also to break that custom but only to the same extent as the others broke it. Similarly the territory of Mecca was sacred, in which war was prohibited. If the enemies of Islam broke that custom, the Muslims were free to do so to that extent. Any convention is useless if one party does not respect it. There must be a law of equality. Or perhaps the word reciprocity may express it better. (Ali, Holy Quran, f. 209, p. 77)

The intolerance and persecution of the Pagan clique at Mecca caused untold hardships to the Holy messenger of Islam and his early disciples. They bore all with meekness and long-suffering patience until the holy one permitted them to take up arms in self defense. Then they were twitted in the breach of the custom about Prohibited Months, though they were driven to fight during the period against their own feeling of self defense. But their enemies not only forced them to engage in actual warfare, but interfered with their conscience, persecuted them and their families, openly insulted them and denied God, kept out the Muslim Arabs from the Sacred Mosque, and exiled them. Such violence and intolerance are deservedly called worse than slaughter. (Ibid., f. 238, p. 85)


Yusuf Ali's reasoning is that it is okay for believers to sin and break an ordinance of God in order to avenge themselves. Hence, Allah allows his followers to sin against his commands in order that his enemies may be destroyed. The simple fact is that two wrongs never make a right.


O ye who believe! When the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of God, and leave off business (and traffic): That is best for you if ye but knew! And when the Prayer is finished, then may ye disperse through the land, and seek of the Bounty of God: and celebrate the Praises of God often (and without stint): that ye may prosper. But when they see some bargain or some amusement, they disperse headlong to it, and leave thee standing. Say: "The (blessing) from the Presence of God is better than any amusement or bargain! and God is the Best to provide (for all needs)." S. 62:9-11


Al-Baidawi comments:


"It was calld the Day of Congregation because people [were] to gather on it for prayer. Arabs had called it al-'Aruba. Some claim that it was Ka'b Ibn Lu'ay who called it that name, for people used to gather around him on that day. The first Friday on which the Messenger of God gathered the people for prayer was in Medina after he had spent a week in Quba'. It was in the valley of the clan Salim Ibn 'Auf." (Al-Fadi, Is the Qur'an Infallible?, p. 126)


Accordingly,


The author Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-Arab said the same thing as above but added that Ka'b Ibn Lu'ay used to preach to the people on that day (vol. 1, p. 250). Thus, the sanctity of Friday was a pre-Islamic tradition, laid out by Ka'b Ibn Lu'ay, not by the revelation of God." (Ibid.)


The fact is that even the Muslim prayers were not something unique, but something stemming from paganism! Muslim writer Muhammad Shukri al-Alusi in his Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-'Arab states that,


"The Sabeans have five prayers similar to the five prayers of the Muslims. Others say they have seven prayers, five of which are comparable to the prayers of the Muslims with regard to time [that is, morning, noon, afternoon, evening and night; the sixth is at midnight and the seventh is at forenoon]. It is their practice to pray over the dead without kneeling down or even bending the knee. They also fast for one lunar month of thirty days; they start their fast at the last watch of the night and continue till the setting of the sun. Some of their sects fast during the month of Ramadan, face Ka'ba when they pray, venerate Mecca, and believe in making the pilgrimage to it. They consider dead bodies, blood and the flesh of pigs as unlawful. They also forbid marriage for the same reasons as do Muslims." (Ibid., pp. 121-122)


Muhammad ibn 'Abdalkarim al-Sharastani in his Al-Milal wa al-Nihil, admits that most of the practices of Islam were actually rites performed by the pagans:


"The Arabs during the pre-Islamic period used to practice certain things that were included in the Islamic Sharia. They, for example, did not marry both a mother and her daughter. They considered marrying two sisters simultaneously to be a most heinous crime. They also censured anyone who married his stepmother, and called him dhaizan. They made the major [hajj] and the minor [umra] pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, performed the circumambulation around the Ka'ba [tawaf], ran seven times between Mounts Safa and Marwa [sa'y], threw rocks and washed themselves after intercourse. They also gargled, sniffed water up into their noses, clipped their fingernails, plucked their hair from their armpits, shaved their pubic hair and performed the rite of circumcision. Likewise, they cut off th right hand of a thief." (Ibid., vol. 2 chapter on the opinions of the pre-Islamic Arabs as cited in al-Fadi, Is the Qur'an Infallible?, p. 122)


To further complicate matters, the pagans, much like the Muslims, ran around the Kaba seven times. The number of circumambulation seemingly corresponded to the number of planets which the pagans venerated as deities. That number totaled seven! Yusuf Ali, commenting on the paganism of Arabia, states:


"But the moving 'stars', or planets, each with a motion and therefore will or influence of its own. As they knew and understood them, they were seven in number, viz.: (1) and (2) the moon and the sun, the two objects which most closely and indubitably influence the tides, the temperatures, and the life in our planet; (3) and (4) the two inner planets, Mercury and Venus, which are morning and evening stars, and never travel far from the sun; and (5), (6) and (7) Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, the outer planets whose elongations from the sun on the ecliptic can be as wide as possible. The number seven itself is a mystic number, as explained in n. 5526 to lxv. 12... It will be noticed that the sun and the moon and the five planets got identified each with a living deity, god or goddess, with characteristics and qualities of its own..." (Ali, Holy Quran, Appendix XIII, p. 1621)


And where does Ali draw the inference that the number seven is a mystical number? Is it from the Holy Bible and the fact that God is said to have rested on the seventh day, thus hallowing it? (cf. Genesis 2:2-3) Let us read note 5526 and find out:


"Seven Firmaments." The literal meaning refers to the seven orbits or firmaments that we see clearly marked in the motions of the heavenly bodies in the space around us... In poetical imagery there are the seven Planetary spheres, which form the lower heaven or heavens, with higher spheres culminating in the Empyrean or God's throne of Majesty... The mystical meaning refers to the various grades in the spiritual or heavenly kingdom, the number seven being itself a mystical symbol, comprising many and yet form an indivisible integer, the highest indivisible integer of one digit." (Ibid., p. 1567)


It is quite obvious that there are nine, not seven, planets or orbits in our galaxy and therefore this is an error in the Quran. The belief in seven orbits, two of which were the sun and moon, stemmed from the pagan belief prevalent in Muhammad's day as Ali himself admits in the citations above.

Finally, after Muhammad had attacked Mecca and won over the Quraysh tribes, he entered the Kaba and destroyed every icon or sculptured idol. According to some reports, Muhammad found Christian icons of Jesus, Mary and Abraham that he did not destroy but left intact.


[After the conquest of Mecca] "Apart from the icon of the Virgin Mary and the child Jesus, and a painting of an old man, said to be Abraham, the walls inside [Kaaba] had been covered with pictures of pagan deities. Placing his hand protectively over the icon, the Prophet told 'Uthman to see that all other paintings, except that of Abraham, were effaced." (Martin Lings, Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources, p.300; ref.- al-Waqidi, Kitab al-Maghazi 834, and Azraqi, Akhbar Makkah vol. 1, p. 107. Martin Lings is a practicing Muslim.)

"... pictures of the prophets and pictures of trees and of angels. Among them there was a picture of Ibrahim as of an elderly man, drawing lots with arrow lots, and the picture of Jesus, the son of Mary, and of his mother and a picture with angels." (al-Azraqi according to the Arabic text edited by Ferdinand Wuestenfeld, Chroniken der Stadt Mekka, Band 1, Leipzig 1858, reprint Beyrouth 1964, p. 110)

"On the day of the conquest of Mecca the Prophet entered the House (= the Kaaba; my comment)and sent al-Fadl ibn al-Abbas ibn Abdalmuttalib to get water from the well of Zemzem. He ordered to bring pieces of cloth and to imbue them with water and then he commanded to wash off these pictures, as it was done. He stretched his arms, however, over the picture of Jesus, the son of Mary, and of his mother and said: 'Wash off all except what is under my hands!' But eventually he took away his hands away from Jesus, the son of Mary, and his mother." (al-Azraqi p. 111, cf. p. 76) (Source: social.religion.islam newsgroup posting)


Not all the sources unanimously agree with this story. A. Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad (translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasulallah), p. 552, writes:


"The Apostle ordered that the pictures should be erased except those of Jesus and Mary.3"


In his footnote, he states:


"3. Apparently Ibn Hisham has cut out what Ibn Ishaq wrote and adopted the later tradition that all the pictures were obliterated. A more detailed account of these pictures will be found in Azraqi 104-6."


The typical Muslim response to these allegations is to assume that these rites were instituted by Abraham and Ishmael when the latter migrated to Mecca with his mother Hagar. Not only do both the Holy Bible and archaeology contradict this claim, the sound Hadith itself makes it impossible for Abraham and Ishmael to be the ones who built the Kabah:


Narrated Abu Dhaar:

I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them?" He replied, "Forty (years)." He then added, "Wherever the time for the prayer comes upon you, perform the prayer, for all the earth is a place of worshipping for you." (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 636)


This Hadith affirms that the Kaba was actually built long after Abraham and Ishmael had died. Abraham lived about 2000 BC and the Temple was built by Solomon in about 958-951 BC. This implies that the Kabah was built approximately 998-991 BC. If Muhammad is correct, then the Quran is wrong. But if the Quran is correct in stating that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaba, then the Hadith is wrong. Yet, if this particular Hadith is wrong then this throws into question the authenticity of the entire Hadith collections, especially Bukhari's collection which is considered to be the most reliable and authentic collection. Yet, to reject the Hadith is to destroy the historical significance of Islam since the pillars, Muhammad's prophetic calling, his life and wives, the caliphate, the wars are things that are only found in Islamic traditions. The Quran does not mention the names of Muhammad's mother, father, his wives, companions etc. These things are to be found in the Hadith.

Secondly, Abraham would never have placed a black idol for his descendants to kiss, especailly in light of the fact that one of his descendants received divine commands forbidding the honoring of any visible object:


Remember the day you stood before the LORD your God at Horeb, when he said to me, "Assemble the people before me to hear my words so that they may learn to revere me as long as they live in the land and may teach them to their children." You came near and stood at the foot of the mountain while it blazed with fire to the very heavens, with black clouds and deep darkness. Then the LORD spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice. He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets. And the LORD directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess. You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars--all the heavenly array--do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshipping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. Deuteronomy 4:10-11


Hence, the true God of Abraham would never send a black stone for his followers to kiss.

Thirdly, the idol of Mary and Christ is something that finds no biblical precedence since the New Testament and the earlier Christians never fashioned images of Christ or Mary. This practice was adopted centuries later by pagans converting to Christianity who integrated pagan customs into the Church. This is precisely what Muhammad did with Islam.

In conclusion, we must say that Muhammad began and ended up with a pagan religion with the only difference being that he repackaged it in a monotheistic context.

- By Sam Shamoun

ALL-AMERICAN.....YOU ARE AS IMPERIALIST FOOL!!!...HMM..I DIDNT SEE ANY US FORCES...ENGAGE ENEMY, FACE-TO-FACE IN KOSOVO???110,000 US TROOPS, AGAINST 20,000 SERB FORCES!!!YOU MUST MEET ENEMY, FACE TO FACE..TO PROCLAIM VICTORY!!YOU SEE TODAY..., THAT 'SERBIANS' ARE ONE WHO SUFFER, AND MONGREL ALBANAIN TERRORISTS ...IN LAND, NOT BELONGING TO THEM!!LOL....YOU HAVE SHORT MEMORY, ALL-AMERICAN.., IT WOULD SEEM, THAT..REMEMBER SOMALIA???REMEMBER HOW US FORCES...HAD TO FLEE THAT COUNTRY.., AFTER SUPPOSED WARLORDS.., AND 2,500 SOMALI SOLDIERS..DRAGGING US MARINES THRU DIRT!!!THE AMERICANS ARE COWARDS..., AND YOU ALSO FORGET.., HOW , WHILE USA SCRATCHING BUTTOCKS.., OUR GREAT RUSSIAN TROOPS..SECURED AIRPORT IN KOSOVO..., AHEAD OF ANYONE.., IN A TERRITORY, YOU OCCUPIED, FOR 4 MONTHS???


ALL-AMERICAN..I SAY THIS TO YOU, MY IGNORANT WESTERN FRIEND..."USA HAS ALWAYS BEEN WEAK.., AND COULD NEVER STAND UP, TO SUPERIOR RUSSIAN FORCES..,AND UNLIKE USA., WHO RUNS FROM FIGHT.., I.E., SOMALIA...HAITI...KOSOVO.., WE RUSSIANS ARE NOT AFRAID TO SPILL BLOOD, IN FACE OF ENEMY!!!SO BUY HISTORY BOOK.., AND SIT DOWN!!!--BEFORE I LAYETH SMACK DOWN, ON YOU ROOTIPOO-CANDYARSE!!!!!

Us Rooskies..would fry america, to burn crispy!!!!Only Infidel, would follow Muhammed, or Allah!!!!they are make-Believe Philosophy!!!


russia was great nation, when usa, was only TWINKLE , IN AMERICAN HARLOT EYEBALLS!!!!!WE WERE EMPIRE, WHEN USA WAS ONLY WET-DREAM, FOR CAPITALIST PILGRIMS, AND THEIR HEAD-HUNTERY SOLDIER...


RUSSIA IS EMPIRE TODAY, BECAUSE OF WILLINGNESS, TO MEET , &&&& DEFEAT ENEMY..FACE TO FACE.., NOT LIKE UN, AND USA COWARDICE!!!!!!

TAKE YOUR JOHN ROCKER.., FOR EXAMPLES.., HE WOULD BE HERO, HERE IN RUSSIA!!!BUT IN AMERICA..., THE SWINELY MINORITIES, NOT ONLY GET TO SLAVE IN FACTORY.., BUT ALSO DETERMINE YOUR WEAK, IDEALOGICAL PHILOSOPHIES!!!


MY RUSSIAN BROTHERS..WE MUST NOT STOP, WITH CHECHYNA..REBEL GUYS!!!I SAY ONWARD, TO ROOT OUT EVIL IN FEEBLE WESTERN COUNTRIES!!!!!

HERR COMRADES..I WILL ATTEMPT , TO BECOME LIKE GOEBBELS..HE WAS GREAT, INSPIRATIONAL SPEAKER, FOR OUR NAZI COMRADSKI'S!!!!


THE ONLY DETERRENT TO PEACE..IS NAKED AGGRESSION!!!WE MUST SEEK OUT, AND DESTROY ENEMY, BEFORE IS TOO LATE!!!WHILE WE SLEEP...., MORE SAND-COLORED INFIDELS, ARE MAKE PLANS, TO POLLUTE OUR COUNTRY!!!WE MUST BE EVER VIGILANT, TO THESE THINGS, AND STAND AT VANGUARD OF VALOR, AND COURAGE, TO SUSTAIN PLACE IN WORLD, AS SUPERPOWER...


AS HEROES STALIN & LENIN DID PROVE, LONG AGO...., IT IS ONLY BY SWORD..DOES RESPECT COME.., NOT LIKE PUNY UN AND USA.., HIDE, AND DROP BOMBS, FROM 10 MILE ABOVE GROUND..THEN , ONCE THEY HAVE SECURED OIL..THEY COWER AS DOGS!!!-- I SAY THIS, HERR COMRADES..."IF WE CONTINUE IN OUR GLORIOUS BATTLES..., THEN SOON..WE RE-ESTABLISH PLACE IN HISTORY.., AS GREAT U.S.S.R., OF OLD!!!--->DONT BELIEVE MYTH OF WESTERN PANTYHOSERY GUYS.., WHO PROCLAIM RUSSIAN WEAKNESS.., WHILE THEY THEMSELVES.., ARE LEARY OF FIGHTING FACE TO FACE!!!"THEY ARE AS CHAFF OF WIND.., WHOSE DAYS WILL SURELY WITHER,UNDER GREAT RUSSIAN HAMMER....

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Hey there BIILLJ. I see you have crawled out from under your rock to try and post some smack... bad me understand not you very much - LMAO AT YOU.

It's funny how your sister speaks perfect English when I am riding her ass legs up in the air. You comprende vagabond inbred.

AMERICANS MAKE ME LAUGH.., WITH THEIR BIASED RHETORIC, AND SCHEMES, AND LIES!!!!USA..--IS PUPPET-MASTER , OF UNITED-NATIONS ORG.!!!!


RUNNING TO AND FRO...FROMTHIS REGION , TO THAT REGION..., EVEN WHEN MORE THAN HALF OF COUNTRIES, OPPOSE USA PRESENCE, IN KOSOVO.., AND IRAq!!!LETS FACE IT..IRAQ IS GREAT THREAT TO USA....LOL...


RUSSIA SAY: LET SNOT-NOSE USA JOHNNY G.I. JOE SOLDIER COME TO RUSSIA.., AND HE BE MORE SNIVELLING, WHEN FLYING HOME, WITH NO LEG.., LIKE THAT DEVIL BASAYEV..THE INFIDEL!!!!!!!


MUCH VODKA FLOWING TONIGHT, AT GREAT RUSSIAN VICTORY.., AND LET US NOT STOP HERE, MY FELLOW RUSSIANS..., LET THE MOUNTAINS' TREMBLE, AT MENTION, OF GREAT SOVIET UNION....REBORN, IN ALL ITS GLORIES' (-: