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(@svoloch)
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A ti parasha sam na nas popresh? Ny na kozlo "moskovskix"? ili ti na ochke yzje sidish?


   
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(@ibnumar)
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MY UKRAINIAN FRIEND BALALAIKA (russia-dikaya parasha), HOW IS THE WEATHER IN JAPAN? ANY LUCK GETTING PORK SUSHI IN THE LAND OF THE RISING SUN?


   
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Balalaika = Ukranian? Wow! Hello brother!


   
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(@armenian1)
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Moskali always helped Ukrane. Take Suvorov for example. He's burnt Hans premissed in Bakhchisarai Kremia and sent a letter to Tzaritsa: "Full victory! Everything was burnt down to ashes!"
Now the place belongs to Ukrane. And because of who? Because of a stooge Khruschev! What a shame!


   
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For some reason balalaika is ashamed of her heritage. Must be "salo" (bacon). Everyone knows Ukrainians can't live without it. Just give some salo (bacon) to Ukrainian and she will be happy.


   
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Gorilka is also important to every Ukranian. I personally loved one from Kiev. It was in a square buttle with one or two red chilly pepers inside. So salo, gorilka, and Kievsky cake makes all the diffrence.

Do you hear, Balabolka? Just can't get it in Japan. Too bad.


   
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(@ibnumar)
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IT SEEMS THAT "CHECHEN REPUBLIC OF ICHKERIA" IS AT WAR WITH UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. OFFICIALLY WAR WAS DECLARED WHEN U.S.A. BOMBED AFGHANISTAN. AIN'T IS NICE?

IN OTHER NEWS, THERE IS A BIG POSSIBILITY THAT AFGHANI PLANE WAS "HI-JACKED" BY CHECHENS IN ORDER TO EVACUATE CHECHEN WARLORDS AND THEIR FAMILIES. ALMOST HALF OF THE "INNOCENT PASSENGERS" ASKED FOR POLITICAL ASYLUM.. HMMM!


   
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GOOD EVENING, RUSSIAN COMRADES' (-: HOPEFULLY, ALL IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE!!!WHERE ARE LYING AMERICAN PIGS????I READ POST FROM TODAY, AND THEY ARE SNOT-NOSE -IGNORANT TWITTY GUYZ!!!!


..MY BLOOD BOIL OVER, WORSE THAN WHEN PRES. ANDROPOV DIE!!!!USA NEED TO REMEMBER, TO KEEP MIND OF OWN BUSINESS!!!JUST AS HON. PUTIN, REBUFF MADELEINE COW-BRIGHT.., IN TELLING HER, US SHOULD BUTT OUT, OF SOVIET AFFAIRS!!!!

SO AMERICANS WHO DO NOT LIKE...CAN KISS BILLj..where sun, not shining!!!!!!!


   
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Muhammad's sexuality

The sexuality of Muhammad is a rather contentious area for most Muslims who believe that the sexual rules practiced by Muhammad and his followers were simply a fact of those days in which he lived, and we must see him within that context.

The argument by Muslims is that during the "Holy Wars" when many men were killed, polygamy, for instance, was a justifiable provision for the widows. Yet, according to notes in "Sahih Muslim" III, pg.941, in all the 82 hostilities during the lifetime of Muhammad, only 259 Muslims lost their lives. Muhammad moved to Mecca with 10,000 men. How many of them would have had a chance of marrying even one widow? 2%! (current figures show an over-abundance of males due to amnio-synthesis tests, because of the girls who are aborted as a result of the findings: 20 million extra boys in China)

So what must we say about polygamy?

We are reminded of the words of Jesus who said, "He who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery" (Luke 16:18).

Because polygamy excludes devoted love, for love between the sexes is exclusive, it is degraded in essence to mere sexual fulfilment. No woman who loves her husband and wishes to be fully loved in return, can tolerate a partner (why else was Hafsa so upset with Muhammad when he took the Copt Mary to her bed?).

Take for instance a report from Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife (recorded in Mishkat 1, pg.210, and noted in the Hadiths collected by al-Bukhari and Muslim). This report quotes her as saying: "I used to backbite those (females) who offered themselves for the Messenger of Allah. So I asked: Does a woman offer herself? Then the Almighty Allah revealed: you (Muhammad) may put off whom you please of them, you may take to you whom you wish, and if you desire any whom you have separated, no blame attaches to you (from Sura 33:51). It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire."

There is a further aspect: monogamy gives recognition, status and integrity to a woman. It is simplistic to argue that a polygamous society makes prostitution unnecessary. What about sexual fulfilment for the woman who has to share her husband with other wives? And what about the men who surely have to go without wives, because someone else (usually an older and thus richer man) has more than one?

When we look at the life of Muhammad we find an even larger emphasis on sex, and the fulfilment of carnal desires. Consider the following examples:

a.Thirteen Wives
A Muslim man is permitted to marry up to four wives (excluding concubines) according to Sura 4:3. Muhammad had lived 25 years married to his first wife Khadija. After her death, which roughly coincided with the Hijra to Medina, he married about thirteen wives (the exact number is still debated). All except Aisha were widows or divorcees.

It is recorded in Sura 33:50, "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers, and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Mecca) with thee; and any believing woman, who dedicates her soul to the Prophet, and if the Prophet wishes to wed her-this only for thee, and not for the believers (at large)..."

This Sura gives Muhammad an unlimited number of women who lived in and around him, yet set strict restrictions on the other believers.

b.Zainab
Zainab was the wife of his adopted son Zaid. When Zaid realized that Muhammad wanted her he divorced her so that Muhammad could have her. Sura 33:36-38 speaks of this affair (read).

c.Preference
In Sura 33:51 we read, "Thou mayest put off whom thou wilt of them, and whom thou wilt thou mayest take to thee; and if thou seekest any thou hast set aside there is no fault in thee. So it is likelier they will be comforted, and not sorrow, and every one of them will be well-pleased with what thou givest her."

According to Al-Hasan, this phrase means "that the Lord (may He be praised and exalted) allowed Muhammad to abandon or to sleep with any of his women, according to his wish." Muhammad bestowed his love on Aisha, Hafsa, Um Salama and Zainab constantly and equally, and deferred the turn of five of his women (Ummu Habiba, Maymuna, Sawda, Juwayrid, and Safiyya). These he would visit according to whim (al-Zamakhshari's commentary on the verse).

d.Mary
According to tradition, Muhammad would take a rota with his wives, sleeping with each in their turn. One night, during Hafsa's turn, she asked to visit her father, and Muhammad granted her request. While she was gone, however, Muhammad took Mary the Coptic slave-girl and slept with her in Hafsa's bed. Hafsa returned, was enraged, and confronted Muhammad. He promised (on oath) not to touch Mary again if she would keep this a secret, and then promised that her father Umar would be his successor after Abu Bakr (according to al-Sira al- Halabiyya, vol.2).

Hafsah, however, told Aisha of the incident, and for a full month Muhammad had no dealings with any of his wives, living with Mary alone. Aisha berated Muhammad for his deceit, whereupon Muhammad was finally given the vision recorded in Sura 66:1, in order to defend himself (Mizanu'l Haqq, pg.330 and Mishkat II, pgs.680-681) (read Ali's version of 66:1, plus footnotes).

This Sura says, "O prophet, why forbiddest thou what God has made lawful to thee, seeking the good pleasure of thy wives...?" Based on this ayya it seems that God is in the business of not only getting Muhammad out of his 'jams', but that God justifies unfaithfulness and deceit as well.

e.Aisha
According to Sahih Muslim (pg.716) Aisha reported that Muhammad married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, along with her dolls. When Muhammad died she was only eighteen.

f.Zealousness
There are many accounts of Muhammad's prowess with women. The traditions maintain that his marriages were primarily an act of compassion towards the widows whom he married. The evidence seems to say differently.

According to Al-Bukhari (1 pg.165) "the prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number. I asked Anas, 'Had the prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the prophet was given the strength of thirty (men). And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven)."

Ibn Sa'd backs this up as well where he states (1 pg.438) "The apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, said: Gabriel brought a kettle from which I ate and I was given the power of sexual intercourse [equal] to forty men."

It is odd that God would allow one of His prophets, the recipient of revelations, to indulge in lust and revel with women at his pleasure. Muhammad embraced those who captivated his mind and heart with their beauty, such as Aisha and Zainab, and treated the rest poorly.

Do we find any of the other prophets so obviously controlled by sex, or even engaged in this sort of lifestyle? Of course not! We would be appalled if a prophet would allow his carnal desires to so completely control him that he would even use the Word of God to escape from difficult circumstances (such as we noted with Zainab or the incident with Hafsa and Aisha).

Muhammad's elevation
Looking at the "revelations" of the Qur'an and the Hadith Traditions, we cannot fail to see that a number of statements deal with personal advantages and give Muhammad a particular status which is far beyond any other prophet's.

We are told that all believers were to follow his example. Malek-b-Anas reported a defective tradition where Muhammad is purported to say, "I leave with you two things; as long as you hold fast by them both, you will never be misguided; the book of Allah and the Sunnah of his messenger (the copying of the lifestyle of Muhammad)" (from Mishkat 1, pg.159)

Abu Hu'airah reported that the messenger of Allah said, "Every one of my followers will enter Paradise except he who refused." He was questioned, "And who has refused (truth)?" He said, "Whoever obeys me shall enter paradise, and whoever disobeys me has refused" (from Mishkat 1, Pg.173). Now not only must we obey God, but it is requisite that we obey Muhammad in order to enter paradise!

The Qur'an also assumes a high regard for Muhammad as the supreme example in Sura 33:21, saying, "Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the praise of Allah." Later, in ayya 36 a reprimand is given for any who question the prophet's authority, equating his authority with that of Allah, "It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Apostle, to have any option about their decision. If anyone disobeys Allah and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path."

Muhammad's sin
Our final category asks whether Muhammad, unlike Jesus (Sura 19:19), ever sinned. Can the same be said of Muhammad that was said of Jesus? I believe not!

The Qur'an admits that the sins of Muhammad were many and that they weighed heavily on him. Sura 94:1-3 speaks of this when it says: "Have We not expanded thee thy breast? And removed from thee they burden, the which did gall thy back?" These verses indicate that Allah had to remove Muhammad's burdens (sin) from his back. Muslims contend that these sins were committed before he became a prophet (before 610). We need only refer to Sura 48:2 which says in reference to Muhammad, "Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow..." indicating that even after the Sura was delivered Allah expected him to sin.

In Suras 40:55 and Sura 47:19 we find written, "...and ask forgiveness for thy fault..." This seems straightforward, until you read Yusuf Ali's note at the bottom (4428), which explains that due to the prophet's responsibilities he asks forgiveness in a representative capacity. Leaving Yusuf Ali's "eisegesis" aside it seems evident that Muhammad, a weak and sinful man, pales in comparison to Jesus, the sinless and perfect incarnate God Himself.

As an outside observer, we find it incredulous that Muhammad is permitted to live outside of the very rules which he has ordained for the believers (i.e. permitted to marry more than four wives, or permitted to marry the wife of his adopted son, or permitted to consummate a marriage to a girl of only nine).

Yet, according to Islam, he is, at the same time, the absolute example of which all believers are to model. One is left with a set of contradictions: How are we to follow the model of a prophet who himself abrogates the very parameters which he has set for us to live by? To follow his example would contravene his laws. If a person is asked to follow a certain leader, they would weigh up the 'pros and cons' before reaching a decision. But when truth and eternal life are involved, expediency on temporal issues no longer applies. So when we are told to follow in the footsteps of a spiritual leader, our confidence must not be emotional alone; our confidence must be rational.

That presupposes as deep a study of the quality of the life of the example as possible. One should not give a deaf ear to negative reports, provided they are substantiated. Also one should not explain away possible flaws. But most of all one must have a fixed standard by which to measure right and wrong, good and evil. As Christians we use the standard that is found in the Bible. Ultimately, our concept of what is moral and what is immoral will find its root there.

We are deeply interested in the question of true prophethood. It is and always has been in our best interest to delineate who exactly is a true prophet, for we have been warned to be watchful for false prophets who will come our way (Matthew 24:24).

In light of that we ask whether Muhammad follows the standards by which he has set for himself; and we find him to be wanting. The historical record shows us that he abrogated his call to the Jews when he exiled them from Medina and executed the males of the Kurayza tribe. His claim to be the Seal of the prophets rings hollow in light of his carnal inadequacies, especially in comparison with the other prophets who preceded him.

Finally we ask whether Muhammad fits the pattern of a prophet which we find in our own scriptures. That is the true test for us as Christians. From our study last week it was easy to ascertain that Muhammad failed in this category as well. What remains is to deal with one last area, the claim by Muslims that Muhammad was promised by the prophets who preceded him, and that these prophecies can be found in their writings. It is that area which we will take up next in order to conclude this study.

- by Joseph Smith


   
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Cry, Russians, Cry! It is not going to be for the
last time!!

Russian Army's Many Unknown Soldiers

By Sharon LaFraniere
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday , February 7, 2000 ; A14

ROSTOV-ON-DON, Russia –– Tatiana and Victor Klochkov, mute with grief, came to the 124th Forensic Military
Laboratory in this ancient city on the Don River two days after Christmas expecting to bring home their son's body.

They were told he had died in Chechnya, near the town of Urus-Martan, about 12 miles from Grozny, the shell-shattered
capital. A band of rebels pretending to be refugees ambushed his unit on Dec. 5, they were told, and their boy was shot in the
head.

But when the body was wheeled out for them to view, the wooden platform bore not the remains of their 21-year-old son, a
blond, freckled former shepherd, but of a dark-haired stranger. A label around the young man's left wrist identified him as
Sergei Klochkov all right, but gave the patronymic of Vladimirovich.

A month later, Tatiana and Victor Klochkov still don't know whether their son, Sergei Victorovich, is alive or dead. One recent
night, in their snow-swept cottage in the farming village of Divnoye, a five hour drive southeast of Rostov-on-Don, they and a
few close relatives gathered in their tidy living room to consider, once again, the agonizing possibilities of what could have
befallen him.

"God help him come home!" Sergei's white-haired uncle burst forth from his faded armchair in the corner. "Yes," whispered
Sergei's father across the room, briefly lifting his eyes.

The Klochkov family's torment is emblematic of how the Russian military, four years after the last Chechen war, is still not
wholly prepared to handle the dead from this one. The process of identifying bodies at the clearing point for war dead here is
not as callous as it was during the 1994-1996 conflict, when some relatives were told to search for their loved ones in a field of
naked, fly-ridden corpses. Still, the procedure is startlingly primitive.

In the United States, the military has required servicemen to be fingerprinted since 1906, and in recent years it has collected
blood samples and dental records from them. DNA analysis has become so sophisticated that the Defense Department
exhumed the remains at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery last year and identified the body of a
Vietnam-era servicemen buried there since 1984. Officials say they believe it is unlikely there will be additional burials at the
Tomb, because all remains found in the future will be identifiable.

In contrast, the Russian military began just last month to fingerprint its soldiers. The procedure was initiated only after a
four-year battle to convince parliament that it was necessary. Despite many erroneous identifications in the 1994-1996
Chechen war, it was an unpopular measure, for the same reason that Russians do not publish residential phone books: They are
afraid the government will abuse the data.

"People think the fingerprints could be used against them, that they could be on some kind of blacklist," said Sergei Pankratov,
deputy head of the Interior Ministry's criminology center.

On desolate railroad sidings outside Rostov-on-Don, a city 750 miles southeast of Moscow, refrigerated railroad cars still hold
258 bodies from the last Chechen war. Officials at the forensic laboratory will not say how many bodies from this war remain
unidentified, but financing has been a problem. The lab director told reporters in August he had yet to receive a ruble of his
annual budget.

Three weeks after they received their son's last letter, on Dec. 4, the Klochkovs were summoned to the three-story gray stone
building that houses the forensic lab. As soon as they were shown a videotape of the body, "we saw at once it wasn't him," said
Tatiana Klochkova. The body was brought from the morgue, but they were certain it was not their son. Victor Klochkov was
shown a few more videotapes, but none of the bodies was Sergei's.

Now they wait, hoping that if their son did in fact die on Dec. 5, Tatiana's blood sample and fingerprints will help lab workers
identify him. In the interview at their home, the couple rarely spoke, allowing a variety of relatives to describe the situation for
them until Tatiana Klochkova collapsed against the couch in tears. "It's been two months now," said Victor Klochkov as he led
a reporter from the room. "She is even more upset than I am."

The family is not bitter about the war that may have taken Sergei. In villages like Divnoye, patriotism runs high. "We have to
defend the country," said Sergei's uncle, Nikolai Klochkov. The Chechens "made this porridge," said Tatiana Klochkova.
"Now let them eat it."

Sergei went willingly into the army, Victor Klochkov said. He was not interested in going to college, which might have
exempted him from the draft. He liked the hard physical work of tending sheep and cattle.

His aunt, uncle and second cousin stressed that Sergei may still be alive, perhaps in a hospital somewhere. "No one has actually
seen him dead," one cousin said in a semi-challenging tone.

But the New Year's packages of candy, warm socks and cigarettes that Tatiana Klochkova sent came back unopened. And
when his mother called Sergei's regiment the morning after she visited the Rostov-on-Don lab, she was told: "We haven't got
your son. He is dead."

There is one small comfort for the Klochkov family. They are not the only ones. In Novomoskovsk, a town about 120 miles
south of Moscow, another mother and father know the trauma of mistakes involving the dead.

Alexander Belenovich, a 45-year-old locksmith, was notified Jan. 11 that his 21-year-old son, Andrei, had died of a kidney
ailment a month earlier in a military hospital near the Chechen border. He traveled to Moscow's Paveletsky train station to
collect the body.

He wanted to open the zinc-plated coffin at the station, but the lieutenant told him not to, according to Belenovich's sister
Nadejda, a teacher. When the coffin was laid out in the living room of the family's two-room apartment, Belenovich and his
wife peered through a tiny window in the coffin and saw a face, turned sideways, that they did not recognize. And on the death
certificate, the last name was correct, but the first and middle names were wrong.

At the family's insistence, military officials finally cut open the coffin, revealing the body of a man who did not remotely resemble
the Belenoviches' son.

After three weeks of phone calls, military officials located Sergei Belenovich's body in Rostov-on-Don. His parents were told
they would have to wait another month if they wanted an autopsy to find out how he died. So last week, still tormented by
uncertainty, the Belenoviches buried their son.


   
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GOOD IDEA.., PER THE STOCK INSIDER IDEA!!!WE WILL BANKRUPCT, SILLY , LAME-BRAIN AMERICANS!!!!URN.HELLO , HERR COMMISSAR!!!,,IGOR...GREETINGS TO YOU.., AND ALL RUSSIAN BROTHERS (-:

..IT WOULD SEEM THAT CHECHYN , CANNOT JUST DIE LIE DIRTY DOG,T HEY ARE.., BUT ONLY TO TERRORIZE SOME MORE!!!!


DAY IS COME, WHEN USA WILL LICK BOOTSTRAP, OF GREAT U.S.S.R., AS BEFORE, IN GOOD-OLDEN DAYS!!!BACK THEN..YOU COULD WASTE MANY AMERICANS, AND NOT TO WORRY SO BADLY, ABOUT U.N. CRY-BABIES!!!!IS AY..LET US START REVOLUTION, AGAINST, AMERICA..THE GREAT SATAN!!!!!!!! (-:


   
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HEROES....WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED...THIS IS GOOD DAY!!!!!WE ARE CHASING CHECHYN, LIKE RATZ THAT THEY ARE!!!!


..YOU COME TO RUSSIA, PLAN TO TERRORIZE.., THEN YOU LEAVE IN BODYBAGGERY!!!!!!


   
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ULTRA RUSSIAN NATIONALIST: PRESIDENT OF COALITION
DIMITRI: DIRECTOR OF FSB/FIELD AGENT 007
IGOR: MINISTER OF DEFENSE
BILLJ: PUBLIC RELATIONS AMBASSADOR
SULEYMAN: TOP ANALIST OF FSB
FREDLEDINGUE: MINISTER OF ECONOMY
IBN'UMAR: MINISTER OF ISLAMIC AFFAIRS


   
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