By Forpe ( - 152.204.64.204) on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 09:59 pm:
Did you try to go to Afghanistan and work your ideas out with them?
* You've been there?
Last week Turkish deniers of Armenian Genocide bullied Netherlands, now they are bullying France!
Turks say that have a clear conscience regarding their past. What they mean is that they have no conscience.
Agence France Presse
February 17, 2000, Thursday 2:17 AM, Eastern Time
Turkey puts pressure on France to avert Armenian bill
ANKARA, Feb 17
Turkey has urged France against adopting a bill recognizing the killings of Armenians in the early 1900s as "genocide," the head of the Turkish parliament's foreign affairs committee told AFP Thursday.
"Last week I sent a letter to the head of the Senate foreign affairs committee warning of the great damage the bill's adoption would do to
France and Armenia's relations with Turkey," Kamran Inan said.
The French Senate is scheduled next Tuesday to take up the bill, which was passed by the parliament's lower house in 1998 but has since remained shelved due to harsh reactions from Turkey.
"I wrote them that particularly Turco-French economic ties, which have recently accelerated, will suffer since Turkey is an indispensable market" for France, Inan said.
The bill's endorsement would further aggravate Turkey's ties with Armenia, its eastern neighbor, he added.
Turkey has refused to establish diplomatic relations with Armenia due to Yerevan's international campaign for the recognition of its genocide claims and the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict with Azerbaijan, a close ally of Turkey.
"Armenia will be negatively affected since its opening up to Europe either by land or air depends totally on Turkey," Inan said.
The issue was briefly debated in the Turkish Parliament late Wednesday with State Minister Sukru Sina Gurel calling on France to take into account the Turkish people's sensitivity on the genocide allegations.
"Turkey has clear conscience on any issue regarding its past," he said.
Yerevan says that up to 1.3 million Armenians were killed in 1915 by Ottomans, while Turkey says the figure was around 300,000.
Ankara categorically rejects claims of genocide and says that thousands of Turks also died in what was internal fighting during the last years of the Ottoman Empire.
Turkey: Ruling party whip raps France on Armenian genocide issue
Anatolia
16 Feb 00
Ankara, 16th February: Bulent Akarcali, the deputy chairman of the Motherland Party (ANAP), said on Wednesday [16th February] that
the draft resolution regarding the so-called genocide on Armenian people was taken into agenda once again in France in spite that
relations between Turkey and the European Union (EU) were further improving. Addressing a press conference, Akarcali said that it was "amazing" to bring the issue onto the agenda again in spite of positive relations between Turkey and the EU. Akarcali stressed that both the French government and the Turkish Foreign
Ministry should react against such initiatives. Noting that some French magazines and newspapers recently issued negative articles
about Turkey, Akarcali told reporters, "one of these articles claimed that the terrorist organization PKK [ Kurdistan Workers' Party] called for armed attacks. All these developments cannot be a coincidence. Turkey should not rely on her relations with the EU." Akarcali called on Turkish people living in France to react against circles aiming at slandering Turkey.
By abd ( - 129.106.142.195) on Wednesday, February 16, 2000 - 10:03 pm:
>101 Clear
>Contradictions in the Bible
>by : Shabir Ally
>Al-Attique Int'l Islamic Publications
There are a lot of verses in Scripture which might appear to the unlearned to be contradictions, but in fact there are no contradictions. It is the Mohammedans' lack of the Holy Spirit and their ignorance of Catholic Tradition and Biblical scholarship which leads them to erroneously conclude that there are contradictions in the Bible. But the hypocrisy of the Mohammedans lies in their attempts to use the Prophetic verses in the Bible to lend authority to their bestial gang-rapist founder, the highway bandit Satan-worshiping Mohammed.
Forpe ( - 152.174.136.40) on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 09:17 pm:
By Adorable Kissie ( - 192.114.47.50) on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 08:21 pm: Right. The Free Speech clause notion is perverted. The real Free Speech has the meaning of real responsibility for the words uttrered/typed/published. The punks think that they have rights.
Free speech might have a "real responsibility" as a consequence, in case of a libel, for instance. It never has "meaning of responsibility", it's a right. Punk or not, free speech is a free speech.
Forpe, so You're a piece of stinking crap and be happy I didn't mention Your Mom and Dad. Heh. Freedom of Speech (No, pure obscenities.)? Satisfied? Happy? Sorry, a cosequence... . My apologies.
This Your undersdtanding of the Freedom of Speech. Real Freedom of Speech entails responsibulities, as well as Rights entail Responsibilities!
St. John Chrysostom says: "How dare Christians have the slightest intercourse with Jews! They are lustful, rapacious, greedy, perfidious bandits: pests of the universe! Their sysnagogue is a house of prostitution, the domicile of the devil, as is the soul of the Jew. As a matter of fact, Jews worship the devil; their religion is a disease, their
synagogue a an abyss of perdition. The rejection and dispersion of the Jews was done by the wrath of God because of His absolute abandonment of the Jews. God HATES the Jews, and on JUdgement Day will say with those who sympathize with them: "Depart from Me, for you have had intercourse with my murderers!" Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and hold their synagogue in hatred and aversion."
St. Augustine says: "Our Lord Jesus Christ referred to Himself as "the Stone" (St. Mt. 21:44). Lying on the ground, it shakes whoever falls over
it; coming from on high, it crushes the proud. The Jews have already been shaken by their previous stumble/ What awaits them is to be crushed by His Coming."
St. Barnabas says: "Do not add to your sins by saying that the Covenant is both theirs and ours. Yes it is ours, but they lost it forever."
St. Vincent Ferrer says: "Since His spouse, the Synagogue, refused to receive Him, Christ answered: "This is a harlot!" and gave her a bill of divorce."
Pope Gregory IX says: "Ungrateful for favors and forgeful of benefits, the Jews return insult for kindness and impious contempt for goodness. They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt.
See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future grow insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear."
Pope Innocent III says: "Crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection."
St. Thomas Aquinas says: "It would be licit, according to custom, to hold Jews in perpetual servitude because of their crime."
Pope Leo VII says: "Let the Gospel be preached to them and, if they remain obstinate, let them be expelled."
St. Augustine says: "The Jews wander over the entire earth, their backs bent over and their eyes cast downward, forever calling to our minds the
curse they carry with them."
Pope Innocent III says: "As wanderers, they (the Jews) must remain upon the earth until their faces are filled with shame and they seek the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."
"Thou shalt eat bread and cover it with the dung that comes out of a man. Thus shall the children of Israel eat their bread all filthy among the
nations wither I will cast them out, saith the Lord." (Ezechiel 4:12-13)
"The Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets and have persecuted us, do not please God, and they have become adversaries to all men, to fill up their sin always; for the wrath of God has come upon them to the end." (I Thessalonians 2:14-16)
St. Vincent Ferrer says: "One who dies a Jew will be damned."
St. Justin the Martyr says: "Those of the seed of Abraham who live according to the Law of Moses and who do not believe in Christ before death shall not be saved; especially they who curse this very Christ in the synagogues; who curse everything by which they might obtain salvation and escape the vengeance of fire."
St. Agobard says: "Jews are cursed and covered with malediction. The curse has penetrated them like water in their bowels and oil in their bones. They are cursed in the city and cursed in the country, cursed in their coming in and cursed in their going out. Cursed are the fruits of their loins, of their lands, of their flocks; cursed are their cellars, their granaries, their shops, their food, the very crumbs off their tables!"
"If any man love not Our Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema." (I Corinthians 16:22)
St. Ambrose says: "O Jewish hearts, harder than rocks!"
"For all the House of Israel is a hard forhead and an obstinate heart." (Ezechiel 3:7)
St. Bernard says: "O intelligence coarse, dense, and cow-like, which did not recognize God even in His own works! Perhaps the Jew will complain
that I call his intelligence bovine, but his intelligence is LESS than bovine: "The ox knows his Owner, and the ass knows his Master's crib, but Israel has not known Me, and My people have not understood" (Isaiah 1:3) You see, O Jew, I am easier on you than your own peophet!"
St. Bernardine of Feltre says: "Canon Law forbids all intercourse with Jews."
The Council of Elvira declared: "Indeed, if any one of the clergy or faithful has taken a meal with Jews, he is to abstain from Communion so
that he may be reformed."
St. Augustine says: "Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas (Iscariot) is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of
Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ. The Jews held Him; the Jews
insulted Him; the Jews bound Him; they crowned Him with thorns; they scourged Him; they hanged Him upon a tree."
St. Gregory of Nyssa says: "Jews are slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, enemies and haters of God, adversaries of grace, enemies of their fathers' faith, advocates of the devil, a brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men of darkened minds, the leaven of Pharisees, a congregation of demons, sinners, wicked men, haters of goodness!"
"Woe to the sinful nation, a people loaded with iniquity, a wicked seed, ungracious children. They have forsaken the Lord, they have blasphemed the Holy One of Israel, they have gone away backwards. And when you stretch
forth your hands, I will turn away My eyes from you, saith the Lord; and when you multiply prayer, I will not hear, for your hands are full of
blood." (Isaiah 1: 4,15)
St. Basil the Great says: "And such are the prayers of the Jews, for when they stretch forth their hands in prayer, they only remind God-the-Father of their sin against His Son. And at every stretching-forth of their hands, they only make it obvious that they are stained with the blood of Christ. For they who persevere in their blindness inherit the blood-guilt of their fathers, for they cried out: "His blood be on us AND ON OUR CHILDREN" (St. Mt. 27:25)"
St. Alphonsus Liguori says: "Poor Jews! You invoked a dreadful curse upon your own heads; and that curse, miserable race, you carry upon you to this day, and to the End of Time you shall endure the chastisement of that innocent blood!"
Kissie, do you know what will happen if you go to Afghanistan? The average person's IQ in both countries will rise.
Same result will be here if you'll manage to replace Antonio.
Kissie, do you know what will happen if you go to Afghanistan? ...
* Might happen, Forpe. Have You been there? (No joke).
Same result will be here if you'll manage to replace Antonio.
* Heck, no-o-o-o. That anti-Jewish attack in the name of the prime-Jew I just wouldn't sustain.
The average person's IQ in both countries will rise.
* I'll reserve this one for practical purposes..!
Oops. Not sure if IQ is a matter of reservation. Anyway, you forgot to mention a recognized inevitability as a freedom. Goes well with a responsible free speech.
By Kissie ( - 192.114.47.50) on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 12:34 am:
>Same result will be here if you'll manage to
>replace Antonio.
>* Heck, no-o-o-o. That anti-Jewish attack in the
>name of the prime-Jew I just wouldn't sustain.
It was the Jews who threw the first punch. Read the Gospels. Read the Torah. Read the Prophets. Chuck the Talmud in the garbage can.