revised:
I like your peace statement best so far: True Russian.
Jisbond

PEACE IS ONLY ROAD, THAT IS FILLED WITH HAPPINESS, AND THOSE PLOWSHARES, IF EMPLOYED IN RIGHT MANNER, CAN DEFEAT ANY KINGDOMS' OF THE WORLD...

AS A GREAT RUSSIAN HISTORIAN ONCE OBSERVED...

"THE FRUITS OF DEMOCRACY ARE , INDEED..BITTER ONES, BUT VIGILANCE TO PEACE..., CAN ENSURE PROSPERITY, TO THOSE , WHO DILIGENTLY SEEK TO MAKE OF THIS WORLD, THEIR OWN PLACE OF SANCTITY..., AND TO CREATE A BETTER WORLD, IS TO GIVE TO THE CREATOR A REWARD, THAT HE DOES GIVE, TO US..EVERYDAY....

To: True Russian,
Here is one thing I found Muslims see in Russian Bible when they read it.
Just information for you to look at before you judge why Muslims cannot accept the bible as the current Bible Russian or otherwise as the true word of God.
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Dear Sir:
I am a Muslim and I listen to your broadcasts. I agree with all of what you preach except for one
thing which is taught in my religion:

I hope you will not be offended. Please explain to me the item which I find hard to agree on. How
can you read the Bible and not see what we Muslims see. We are told to believe in the same bible
as yours too in addition to the Quran. We muslims are Logical so we see many things with Logic
too.

Emotions are good and necessary to all people but to us Muslims it has its place when it comes to
analyzing truths or written doctrines.

God Bless you in your work
__________________________________________________

Here is what we Muslims see when we read the Bible with respect to the authoroty of his majesty
"Jesus" (may peace be upon him) We see in him a man (AND ONE OF GOD'S CHOSEN
PROPHETS): (NOT GOD OR SON OF GOD)

THE GOD THAT NEVER WAS:

Islam is the only Religion which teaches the existence of a PERFECT GOD. A perfect god means

that there is no Sharer in His Nature and his Attributes: " Say: He is God, the ONE and Only; God
the Eternal, Absolute; He begeteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him."
Quran, 112:1-4

There has appeared am man in Benoni. He is not qualified in theology, but is fondly cherishing the
self-delusion that he is an apostle of Christ, appointed by God to convert Muslims to Christianity.
Because he is a Lawyer by profession, he is adept at judging with words and quoting the Holy
Quran totally out of context without knowing a word of Arabic. He wants Muslims to believe that
Jesus was also a God, a belief that is abhorrent to us, because it is an antithesis of the Absolute
perfection of Allah Subhaanahoo Wa Ta 'Aala!

Thus intent upon reversing the process of truth, which is: "And say: The Truth has come and
falsehood vanished. Surly falsehood is ever bound to vanish." (Quran, 17:81). In this he will never
succeed because the process of truth is irreversible.

He has given two reasons to prove that Jesus is God, VIZ: (I) "when we say Jesus is a deity (or
even god for that matter), we do not make him the Father! He is one with the Father and therefor
HE SHARES HIS NATURE", and (ii) "HE IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE THE FATHER but he is
not the Father".

In short, according to him, Jesus is God because HE SHARES THE NATURTE OF GOD, and
HE IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. These two reasons given by him to prove the divinity of
Jesus are so puerile that they speak volumes of his legal training.

I AM SADDEND BY TALK OF JIHAD'..., THEY ARE ONLY WAR-MONGERERS'!!!!!!


A HOLY WAR???WHO GIVES MUSLIM RIGHT, TO KILL, IN NAME OF DIFFERING FAITHS'???


..PLEASE TELL ME ..WHO IS RESPONSIBLE, FOR SO MUCH SADDNESS???I MUST MEET THEM.., AND SHOW THEM THE LIGHT OF THIS WORLD....

I SEE NO 'ALLAH'..IN BIBLICAL TEACHINGS'???SHOW ME, WHAT BIBLE THIS IS????


GOD SAYS..SEEK ME FIRST, AND I SHALL REWARD YOU..., BUT MANKIND MESSED THIS UP, WITH PAGAN-IDOLATRIES'...., AND A SAVIOUR WAS SENT, TO THIS WORLD..Jesus..., and he is,A SAVIOUR TO ALL..THIS IS WHAT I LEARN..AND I AM RUSSIAN

THE KORAN..IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE!!SO , TELL ME..PLEASE...WAS THIS KORAN..MAN-MADE???ABSOLUTELY..., AND I CONSIDER IT.., TO NOT BE..WORD OF TRUE GOD..., WE MAY DIFFER, BUT , HOPEFULLY..WE CAN DIFFER, PEACEFULLY, AND WITH LOVE, AND RESPECT TO EACH OTHERS' HERITAGE....

(-:

True Russian: The rest of story was cut off.
so here it is in continuation. balance of story in full:

THE GOD THAT NEVER WAS:

Islam is the only Religion which teaches the existence of a PERFECT GOD. A perfect god means

that there is no Sharer in His Nature and his Attributes: " Say: He is God, the ONE and Only; God
the Eternal, Absolute; He begeteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him."
Quran, 112:1-4

There has appeared am man in Benoni. He is not qualified in theology, but is fondly cherishing the
self-delusion that he is an apostle of Christ, appointed by God to convert Muslims to Christianity.
Because he is a Lawyer by profession, he is adept at judging with words and quoting the Holy
Quran totally out of context without knowing a word of Arabic. He wants Muslims to believe that
Jesus was also a God, a belief that is abhorrent to us, because it is an antithesis of the Absolute
perfection of Allah Subhaanahoo Wa Ta 'Aala!

Thus intent upon reversing the process of truth, which is: "And say: The Truth has come and
falsehood vanished. Surly falsehood is ever bound to vanish." (Quran, 17:81). In this he will never
succeed because the process of truth is irreversible.

He has given two reasons to prove that Jesus is God, VIZ: (I) "when we say Jesus is a deity (or
even god for that matter), we do not make him the Father! He is one with the Father and therefor
HE SHARES HIS NATURE", and (ii) "HE IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE THE FATHER but he is
not the Father".

In short, according to him, Jesus is God because HE SHARES THE NATURTE OF GOD, and
HE IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. These two reasons given by him to prove the divinity of
Jesus are so puerile that they speak volumes of his legal training.

Numerous quotations from the Bible are given below to prove that Jesus neither SHARED THE
NATURE OF GOD, nor is he IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. He can, therefor, NEVER be God.

We have given the quotations from the Bible without comment, because the Bible speaks for
itself!
TO SAY THAT JESUS IS GOD IS NOT ONLY A MOCKERY OF GODHOOD, BUT
BLASPHEMY OF THE LOWEST ORDER AND AN INSULT TO THE INTELLIGENCE OF

MEN! (Note: Unless otherwise stated, all quotations from the Bible are given from the Authorized
Version. In our headings and subheadings we have referred to Jesus as "God" in inverted commas
in order to show the ABSURDITY of the claim of this man.... that Jesus is God!)

THE BIRTH OF "GOD":

"God" Was Created From The Seed Of David: "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which
was made of the SEED of David according to the flesh." (Romans,1 :3)

"God" Was The Fruit Of The Loins Of David: "Therefor being a prophet, and knowing that God
had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise
up
Christ to sit on his throne." (acts, 2:30)

THE ANSESTERS OF "GOD": " The generations of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of
Abraham." (Mathew, 1:1)

THE SEX OF "GOD": And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcision of the child,
his name was called Jesus." (Luke, 2:21)

HOW MARY CONCEIVED AND DELIVERED "GOD": Mary conceived Jesus like any other
woman: " The days were accomplished that she should be delivered,: (Luke, 2:6) - which means
that she went through all the normal stages of pregnancy. Nor was her delivery any different from

other expectant mothers: " And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be
delivered." (Revelation, 12:2)

"GOD" SUCKED THE PAPS OF A WOMAN: And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a
certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that
bare thee, and the Paps which thou hast sucked." (Luke,11:27)

THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN OF "GOD": Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of

Herod the King." (Matthew,2:1)

THE OCCUPATION OF "GOD": Jesus was a carpenter by trade(Mark, 6:3) and the son of a
carpenter. (Mathew, 13:55)

THE TRANSPORT OF “GOD”: Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an
ass.” (Mathew, 12:5) And Jesus, when had found a young ass, sat thereon. (John, 12:14

There is much more to follow. (I will post later)

According to this self –appointed apostle of Christ, Jesus is God because: (1) “HE SHARED THE
NATURE OF GOD”, and (2) because “IN EVERY WAY HE IS LIKE GOD”. But according
to the quotations of the Bible given above, We find that Jesus did not SHARE THE NATURE OF
GOD, nor is he IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD! The onus to prove that Jesus is God now rests
with this Christian. Either he must Prove that Jesus is God, or he must admit that he is a polytheist,
i.e., a believer in more than one God.
WITH ALL THE TRICKS AND VERBLE LEGERDEMAIN OF HIS PROFFESSION, HE
WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT JUSUS IS GOD!!

He and his fellow-preachers in Christ, will never succeed in converting the Muslims that Jesus
was anything other than a natural man and a prophet of God, sent unto the house of Israel to bear
the good news of the coming of the KINGDOM OF GOD, which prophesy was fulfilled with the
advent of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wa Sallam)!

>>>By TRUE RUSSIAN ( - 216.225.173.112) on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 11:13 pm:

BIG DOG...ALWAYS EATS LITTLE DOG..THIS IS UN-DENIABLE.... >>>

This is your problem. You don't think yourselves different, or better than dogs. So just like big dog eats little dog, big Russia eats little Chechnya. And you don't question all the crime being committed, since what is happening is the operation of natural law.

That is making, Russia and Russians such a danger to the world today. So today is Chechnya, what is for tomorrow?

>>>By TRUE RUSSIAN ( - 216.225.173.112) on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 11:13 pm:

BIG DOG...ALWAYS EATS LITTLE DOG..THIS IS UN-DENIABLE.... >>>

This is your problem. You don't think yourselves different, or better than dogs. So just like big dog eats little dog, big Russia eats little Chechnya. And you don't question all the crime being committed, since what is happening is the operation of natural law.

That is making, Russia and Russians such a danger to the world today. So today is Chechnya, what is for tomorrow?

I SE ENO PROPHET MOHAMMED....IN MY VERSION OF THE BIBLE.., NOR HAVE I FOUND IT..IN 'ANY' CHRISTIAN BIBLE TEACHINGS'???

SO TELL ME..WHAT INVOKES SUCH NON-SENSICAL HATRED, IN, MUSLIM-WORLD...REGARDING, THE FOLLOWING OF CHISTIAN FAITH,AS 90 % OF THE WORLD PRACTICES???

To Turk:
Bad mouthing will not get us any place soon.
Also every one has right to an opinion as long as he dose have supporting evidence ~ otherwise it is
just utterances of those who know nothing better to say on account of having been mis-educated or having little knowledge.

Most of the time Respect brings Respect. (Most of the time but not all the time!)
Regards
Jisbond

True Russian wrote:
I SEE NO PROPHET MOHAMMED....IN MY VERSION OF THE BIBLE.., NOR HAVE I FOUND IT..IN 'ANY' CHRISTIAN BIBLE TEACHINGS'???

SO TELL ME..WHAT INVOKES SUCH NON-SENSUAL HATRED, IN,MUSLIM-WORLD...REGARDING, THE FOLLOWING OF CHRISTIAN FAITH,AS 90 % OF THE
WORLD PRACTICES???

---

To: True Russian:
You have not read the real Bible. Which is posted at: http://barnabas.net/

---

TRUE MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY HATE IN THEM. I DOUBT THAT JESUS WOULD HAVE BOMBED CHECHENS IF HE WAS WITH US TODAY.

---

HATRED COMES FROM LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ONE ANOTHER AND INTOLERANCE FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS WHICH COMES FROM HAVING TOO MUCH AMBITION AND A WISH FOR POWER OVER THINGS AND PEOPLE BY A FEW. IT IS THE TEACHINGS OF THE DEVIL PLACED IN THE HEART OF THOSE WHO DO NOT PRACTICE THEIR FAITH TO THE WORD.

---

HERE IS WHAT REAL MUSLIMS BELIEVE:
PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ THIS WHEN YOU GET THE CHACE. YOU MAY WISH TO BOOK MARK THE THREE SIGHTS
FOOR LATER USE.
http://www.mosque.com/faith.html

http://www.nbic.org/isru/Resources/ghazali1.html

http://barnabas.net/

By jisbond ( - 209.86.60.222) on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 12:13 am:

True Russian: The rest of story was cut off.
so here it is in continuation. balance of story in full:

THE GOD THAT NEVER WAS:

Islam is the only Religion which teaches the existence of a PERFECT GOD. A perfect God means that there is no Sharer in His Nature and his Attributes: " Say: He is God, the ONE and Only; God the Eternal, Absolute; He begeteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him." Quran, 112:1-4

There has appeared am man in Benoni. He is not qualified in theology, but is fondly cherishing the self-delusion that he is an apostle of Christ, appointed by God to convert Muslims to Christianity.

Because he is a Lawyer by profession, he is adept at judging with words and quoting the Holy Quran totally out of context without knowing a word of Arabic. He wants Muslims to believe that Jesus was also a God, a belief that is abhorrent to us, because it is an antithesis of the Absolute
perfection of Allah Subhaanahoo Wa Ta 'Aala!

Thus intent upon reversing the process of truth, which is: "And say: The Truth has come and
falsehood vanished. Surly falsehood is ever bound to vanish." (Quran, 17:81). In this he will never
succeed because the process of truth is irreversible.

He has given two reasons to prove that Jesus is God, VIZ:

(I) "when we say Jesus is a deity or even god for that matter), we do not make him the Father! He is one with the Father and therefor HE SHARES HIS NATURE".

ii) "HE IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE THE FATHER but he is not the Father".

In short, according to him, Jesus is God because HE SHARES THE NATURTE OF GOD, and HE IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. These two reasons given by him to prove the divinity of Jesus are so puerile that they speak volumes of his legal training.

Numerous quotations from the Bible are given below to prove that Jesus neither SHARED THE NATURE OF GOD, nor is he IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. He can, therefor, NEVER be God.

We have given the quotations from the Bible without comment, because the Bible speaks for itself!

TO SAY THAT JESUS IS GOD IS NOT ONLY A MOCKERY OF GODHOOD, BUT BLASPHEMY OF THE LOWEST ORDER AND AN INSULT TO THE INTELLIGENCE OF MEN! (Note: Unless otherwise stated, all quotations from the Bible are given from the Authorized Version. In our headings and subheadings we have referred to Jesus as "God" in inverted commas in order to show the ABSURDITY of the claim of this man.... that Jesus is God!)

THE BIRTH OF "GOD":"God" Was Created From The Seed Of David: "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,which was made of the SEED of David according to the flesh." (Romans,1 :3)

"God" Was The Fruit Of The Loins Of David:Therefor being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise
up Christ to sit on his throne." (acts, 2:30)

THE ANSESTERS OF "GOD": " The generations of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." (Mathew, 1:1)

THE SEX OF "GOD": And when eight days were complished for the circumcision of the
child,his name was called Jesus." (Luke, 2:21)

HOW MARY CONCEIVED AND DELIVERED "GOD": Mary conceived Jesus like any other woman: " The days were accomplished that she should be delivered,: (Luke, 2:6) - which means that she went through all the normal stages of pregnancy. Nor was her delivery any different from other expectant mothers: " And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered." (Revelation, 12:2)

"GOD" SUCKED THE PAPS OF A WOMAN: And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the Paps which thou hast sucked." (Luke,11:27)

THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN OF "GOD": Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the King." (Matthew,2:1)

THE OCCUPATION OF "GOD": Jesus was a carpenter by trade(Mark, 6:3) and the son of a carpenter. (Mathew, 13:55)

THE TRANSPORT OF “GOD”: Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass.” (Mathew, 12:5) And Jesus, when had found a young ass, sat thereon. (John, 12:14)

There is much more to follow. (I will post later)

According to this self –appointed apostle of Christ, Jesus is God because: (1) “HE SHARED
THE NATURE OF GOD”, and (2) because “IN EVERY WAY HE IS LIKE GOD”. But according to the quotations of the Bible given above, We find that Jesus did not SHARE THE NATURE OF GOD, nor is he IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD! The onus to prove that Jesus is God now rests with this Christian. Either he must Prove that Jesus is God, or he must admit that he is a polytheist, i.e., a believer in more than one God. WITH ALL THE TRICKS AND VERBLE LEGERDEMAIN OF HIS PROFFESSION, HE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT JUSUS IS GOD!!

He and his fellow-preachers in Christ, will never succeed in converting the Muslims that Jesus was anything other than a natural man and a prophet of God, sent unto the house of Israel to bear the good news of the coming of the KINGDOM OF GOD, which prophesy was fulfilled with the advent of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wa Sallam)!

Who cares, the Victor writes history. By 2001, though probably a lot sooner, we won't be talking about my Chechnya. Terrorists will be dead. Turka will get over it and will move on. We, with the help of our Russian brothers, will rebuild Chechnya and live happily ever after. And some "muslim scolar" will say that we Chechens are traitors and disgrace to islam. Whatever.

To: Chechen
Most people care about each other. and indifference to ward oppressive forces will enslave more and more people all over the world.
"whatever" as you say just dose not count when life was mad precious.

jisbond