Yes, have you?

My thoughts on the subject were formed by an exhibition that went round schools in Germany and Holland showing photographs of Mengele's experiments.
I hadn't really wanted to know what it looks like when you saw off the top of someone's skull(whilst they are still alive to see what a live brain looks like.) BUT I found out when I was 12.
I take it there are still a few holes in that education of yours that could do with plugging.
Delenne is trying to stop water leaking from a sieve.

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* still not a single shred of evidence
Since when do You need any, if You reject the idea of Jerusalem, with its walls and the inner city, build by King David? LOL.
But here's the previous story for You, say, a kind of a beginning of it. (You will reject that too? LOL.)
An independent Pal authority seated in Gaza, as outlined in Amman by the PC Chairman Salim Zaanun, was not conceived as a challenge to Arafat's authority; it is, rather, his own brainchild. It came out of a series of meetings Arafat and Zaanun held with PA foreign minister Farouk Kaddumi, who refuses to set foot on the PA territory in protest against the "peace process" with Israel. That body would come under the aegis of PLO-Baghdad (on the model of PLO-Tunis before 1993), freeing Arafat to go on reverse [he never followed it anyways] and revoke all Pal "commitments", signed with Israel and the US, including the 1993 Oslo (for which Arafat got a Nobel Peace Prize [LOL]) and everything concluded in the following seven years. He would never be called on to accept a demand, he consistently dodged anyways, to negotiate a final, irrevocable peace accord with Israel, entailing compromises on a refugees and total sovereignty in all parts of Jerusalem. From Baghdad, his PLO would declare the 1947 UN Partition Res. the single basis for talks with Israel. 
For the Pal leadership, the "independent authority" is additionally useful for muzzling Pal Arab protests against the spreading of corruption in PA. Arafat and his cronies, who are the main targets of these protests, promise the new body will spearhead an anti-sleaze campaign.
However, Arafat's plans have run into a catch, - Kaddumi has planted a clause on this "independent authority", providing for it to be headed not by a figurehead as Arafat had intended, but by a person with exec. powers, a sort of provincial Pal PM, who will govern Gaza and the WB. He fears that if the "independent authority" turns out to be genuinely independent, he might find himself stranded powerless in faraway Baghdad [close to all-emirates for an occasional chat, LOL]. More evidence of the swelling anti-Arafat protests surfaced on Friday Feb. 9, when the veteran Pal Khaider al Shafi issued a rare statement in Gaza demanding that, the Pals set up their own national unity government.

LMAO...

u wrote that bagel??? LMAO... starting to use words like """"aegis """ all the sudden from semi-broken english.

instead of just posting the link and risk revealing ur (shady)'source' you instead cut&paste the arcticle...

lol...

I know all ur tricks Jew girl... Remember we had a few of ur kind at university.

* Delenne is trying to stop water leaking from a sieve.
It's sand, Kim, LOL:o), sand. A total Emirates seepage.

The new face of terror: a family man who works for the enemy

By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem


16 February 2001

In a heavily guarded room at a hospital near Tel Aviv, Israeli interrogators have been trying to solve a question that has baffled the entire world. What – or who – turned Khalil Abu Olbeh, a mild-mannered Palestinian bus driver with no record of violence or political militancy, into a ruthless killer?

Sickened and angry, Israel buried most of the eight young victims yesterday – seven of them soldiers, seven of them aged 21 or younger, five of them women – whom he mowed down with his bus as they stood at a hitch-hiking post at Azur, a few miles south of Tel Aviv, at rush hour on Wednesday morning.

But the country's grief was coupled with bewilderment. Suddenly, Israel finds itself gazing at a new face of an old enemy – an attacker who worked compliantly within its midst for years, who repeatedly passed security checks, yet who, suddenly, set out to kill as many Israelis as he could.

Only a week earlier, Ariel Sharon was elected Prime Minister by a vast margin because Israel believed his promise that he could keep them secure. But the carnage reaped by Mr Abu Olbeh – and the fact that he could do so without bombs or bullets – had already proved the emptiness of that pledge, shaking Israel to its core.

According to the respected Ha'aretz newspaper, the interrogators quizzing Mr Abu Olbeh as he lay in Kaplan hospital at Rehovot, with his bullet wounds swathed in bandages, have been told by him that the attack was pre-planned. But this does not explain why he did it.

There are plenty of men like Khalil Abu Olbeh living in the Gaza Strip. They are quiet men who do not belong to the militant political organisations and guerrilla groups leading the Palestinian intifada.

They are working men, who devote their energies to feeding their families, a task that is far from easy in an imprisoned society in which nearly a third of the population has but $2 a day to spend. They are men, past their youthful years, who sit all day behind the wheels of cabs or on market stalls, before gathering in groups in the rubbish-strewn streets as the sun sets over the sand-dune-covered prison in which they live, encircled by the Israeli military. You meet his type often. Only when the subject of Israel comes up do you glimpse the anger that boils inside them.

And when you do, it becomes clear that it is a deeply ingrained emotion, a rage steadily grafted onto their being by a lifetime under Israeli military occupation – for that is what it still must be called, even though two-thirds of the strip is now under Yasser Arafat's rule – for year after year. At 35, Mr Abu Olbeh knew nothing else. He was a babe in arms when the Israeli occupation began in 1967.

But he was better than most at concealing his fury. So good was he that he joined the list of only 16,000 Gazans to whom Israel's Shin Bet security services was willing to grant permission to leave the strip during the emergency caused by the intifada.

On 25 January, after the last of many security checks, he reportedly received a fresh permit to work inside Israel. And why not? To the Israeli security officials scrutinising his records, he set off no alarm bells. He had never been arrested, either by them or the Palestinian security forces. His details breathed compliance ... married, with five children, three boys and two girls aged between three and 11; living modestly with his wife, Menal, 32, who is four-months pregnant; his mother and his brother's family in a cinderblock house.

The hatred felt towards Israel is everywhere in Gaza. It blazes from the walls – with their posters of the latest "martyrs" shot by the Israeli military, and paintings of the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, the holy place for which the Palestinians have convinced themselves that they are fighting. It blares from the Palestinian-run radio and television stations.

Yet it seems no one suspected how deeply it was gnawing into him. When western reporters first reached his relatives on Wednesday – just as Israel was slamming the door even more tightly shut, by imposing a total closure on the occupied territories in response to the attack – the family seemed truly bewildered. Several were sure it was a road accident – a theory later floated, to the disgust of Israelis, by Yasser Arafat himself. His wife, Menal, still believes this.

There will have been amazement, and also horror, among the agents of Shin Bet. Khalil Abu Olbeh bore no similarity to Israel's photo fit of the archetypal Palestinian militant – who is young, male, single, and has links to radical Islamic groups. In fact, in Israeli terms, he was so spotless that his own neighbours in Sheikh Radwan, a refugee housing project in Gaza City, began to suspect that he was a collaborator.

His credentials also fitted the requirements of the Israeli bus company, Egged, for whom he has worked since 1996. Most of their Palestinian drivers are over 40 – an age where the impulse to rise up and fight are deemed to have wilted.

Yet there were hints that something was smouldering away within him. Just like most of the other 1.2 million Palestinians in Gaza, he had suffered from the collective punishment imposed by Israel to try to stifle the intifada. The blockade of the Gaza Strip meant that he had been unable to work in Israel for four months.

His is a story that typifies the plight on many Palestinians living under Israeli closure. He had lost his monthly pay packet of 3,000 shekels (£500) for ferrying workers into Israel. Instead he had been compelled to fall back on dismally paid occasional work as a taxi driver in the strip. Even now, with his Israeli permit, he was only getting two days' work a week . As a result, there were – his wife said yesterday – serious money worries. An unpaid bill to the grocers of 5,000 shekels (£850); a £300 electricity bill; a humiliating £100 loan from his brother.

He took no active part in the intifada. But like everyone else, he had witnessed the Israeli army bulldoze more than 1,000 acres of olive, citrus and palm groves to avenge a string of Palestinian attacks on Israeli soldiers and the 6,000 Jewish settlers who illegally occupy Gaza. He had seen the 40km long strip's internal economy jam, as the Israeli army divided it into three, severing supply lines from Gaza City to the poor and desperately overcrowded south.

He had seen Palestinian buildings rocketed and shelled by Israeli helicopters and gun boats, and Palestinian officials assassinated. And he had seen thousands of young Palestinians – some pre-pubescent children – shot dead or maimed by Israeli troops. In the last few days, heavy battles in southern Gaza appear to have upset him.

As Mr Abu Obleh went to bed on Tuesday, he turned to his neighbour and said: "God – Allah – will save us." A few hours later, at 2am, he rose, calmly breakfasted, and set off on a horrifying pre-planned mission to kill, using his 11-ton Egged bus as his weapon.

Yesterday, Israel was burying the dead. In Ashkelon, hundreds of mourners stood in the drizzle as the first of four flag-draped coffins – carrying 18-year-old Corporal Yasmin Karasi – was lowered into the ground. "The whole of Ashkelon is crying," the city's mayor, Benny Vaknin, said, before condemning "terrorists who without conscience ... want to kill innocent Jews".

The grieving will pass, but the other questions will not. How is Israel to stop this happening again? How are Israelis to deal with a guerrilla enemy that lives in its midst, and will resort to killing with their hands? Yet until an answer is found, there will be more Khalil Abu Olbeh's.

* like """"aegis """ all the sudden from semi-broken english.
Wow! Is a good English dictionary so hard to find in the Emirates?

* instead of just posting the link and risk revealing ur (shady)'source' you instead cut&paste the arcticle...
You are a sandbag, dear. The source is same, that brought the US 69th Patriot Brigade on Jan. 22. You, due way excessive quantity of sand in Your Arab head, never bothered to ask Yourself "why they were here?". If there were less sand, camels and anal pervertions in Your head (and some of a real University), You would see the airlift, the Syria-Hezbollah-Gaza arms/training deal, the sea operations, the blowing up of Arafat's Col. Ayad and today's Bagdad bombing.
You're a loser.
LOL.

The Story Behind a Bus Stop


A Palestinian driver rammed his bus into a packed bus stop Wednesday, killing seven Israeli soldiers and a civilian. It is unfortunately true that all too often a seeming identification of "terrorism" with Palestinians has clouded all reasonable discussion, coverage, and rational thinking about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The myths and distortions that have been assumed as reality have been appropriated by one side and cast a shroud around any deeper understanding of the conflict. The question is: what is the reality behind what happened at that bus stop?

The bus stop was located in what Israel calls Azur, an Israeli settlement established in 1948 on the lands of the Palestinian village Yazur, 6 kilometers from Jaffa. On the 11 December 1947, Jewish immigrants launched a terror attack against the Yazur village coffee house killing six Palestinians. On 30 April 1948, this Palestinian village was under complete control by Jewish forces and subsequently cleansed of its more than 4,000 Palestinian inhabitants, now refugees. The village has been mostly destroyed with the exception of two village shrines. Two small structures have been converted into commercial buildings. The site contain modern apartment blocks from two Israeli settlements, namely Miqwe Yisrael and Azur.

What explains the Palestinian driver's actions? Khalil Abu Olbeh, the bus driver, had no ties to any Palestinian faction. This is not strange. Opinion polls show that since the past few years, most Palestinians in the Westbank and Gaza have lost their ties with any factions.

According to Abu Olbeh's relatives, Khalil was distraught over the large number of Palestinian casualties over the past few months. Between September 28, 2000 and February 13, 2001, 359 Palestinians were killed and eleven Palestinians have been assassinated of which 89 percent were civilians. In that same period more than 12,000 Palestinians were injured, including 1,500 with permanent disabilities.

Heavy shooting in the southern Gaza Strip the past few days had left Abu Olbeh particularly aggrieved. But to friends and relatives, his emotions were in tune with the rest of the neighborhood, and nothing seemed amiss with the 35-year-old father of five.

Khalil Abu Olbeh had been driving Palestinian laborers from Gaza to jobs in Israel for the past five years as an employee of the Israeli bus company Egged. Abu Olbeh was among 15,000 Palestinians who had been permitted to return to their jobs two weeks ago after Israel had eased an earlier closure of the Palestinian areas. He worked as a taxi driver in Gaza, but it brought in little money.

For the past four months, Khalil Abu Olbeh had been unemployed because of Israel's closure of the Palestinian areas. Since September 2000, Israel has tightened its policy of closures and curfews, a violation of international law as a collective punishment.

Living conditions in Gaza and elsewhere have been deteriorating. Before the recent Intifada, the unemployment rate for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip was estimated at anywhere between 11 percent and 24 percent. During the past few months, however, that figure has risen dramatically because of the estimated 125,000 Palestinians unable to reach their jobs in Israel.

The economic results have been devastating: the families of these workers now suffer from a complete lack of income, threatening their ability to sustain themselves. With an unemployment rate of 38 percent, over 30 percent of the Palestinian population are living under the poverty level, earning less than $2 a day.

The impact of these measures on the Palestinian civilian people has been disastrous. The economic gains Palestinians saw during the first half of 2000 have been completely erased. Workers have been unable to reach their jobs in Israel, and are therefore unable to earn money essential for the well being of their families and central to the local economy. Industry and agriculture have suffered both in financial and material terms, and development has all but ceased. An additional outcome of the closure policy has been the general inability on many occasions to transfer wounded individuals to and from hospitals in different locales.

Many Palestinians seeking medical treatment for chronic conditions and emergencies have been denied access to hospitals and clinics, either by being held up at checkpoints for inordinate amounts of time or because of the siege surrounding many towns and villages in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The refusal of the Israeli authorities to comply with international humanitarian law, specifically the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Israeli authorities said they were certain that Abu Olbeh's actions were deliberate. Perhaps they were, perhaps not. The day before Abu Olbeh drove his bus into the bus stop packed with Israeli soldiers, Israeli forces assassinated 50 year-old Mas'oud Ayyad. Elsewhere in the Gaza Strip, at Netsarim Junction, Israeli soldiers opened fire at a group of unarmed demonstrators, killing 14 year-old Bilal Tawfiq Ramadan with a live bullet to the heart, at one point sending a United Nations mission scurrying for cover as shooting erupted around them during a visit to a refugee camp. Perhaps a refugee camp hosting the native inhabitants of the Palestinian village Yazur, who could see their place of origin in the newspapers, now called Azur.

Really satso, what can we expect from people who were raised on the playgrounds of Aus(c)hwitz?

Ofcourse they are going to be criminals, liars, the scum of the earth. Thats why killing innocent children is so simple for them to accept - a nation with no morals. would any other nation accept this? Killing is all around them... the stench of death is all around them... they live in it... they feast on it... it's an aphrodesiac for them. They cannot live without it!!!

It's sad, but it's just the way it is!

Hitler really did a number on them!

Heh, Satso Capriatti, aka Antonio ... . What Web Pal garbage-dump site has he been rabidly scavenging?

* too often a seeming identification of "terrorism" with Palestinians has clouded all reasonable discussion,
Yes-yes, Israelis have been blowing everything up to frame the "innocent" Pal terrorists.
* On the 11 December 1947, Jewish immigrants launched a terror attack against the Yazur village coffee house killing six Palestinians.
Six Pals were "very" "innocent". But ... e-e-e-h ... what happened on November 29, 1947, anyways, BTH? This dump site is strangely silent.
* Khalil Abu Olbeh, the bus driver, had no ties to any Palestinian faction.
Uses the word "faction" to hint at something small. Yes, everyone and everybody is/are just "innocent" Pal Arabs, - there is no some 60.000 strong Pal Arab "police" uniformed thugs, there is no Fatah, Tanzim, etc., just factions of Buddhists, voodooists, some dead bull cult.
* most Palestinians in the Westbank and Gaza have lost their ties with any factions.
Does support imply ties? Run contrary to their own Bierzeit survey.
* 359 Palestinians were killed ...
Those, who live by the sword, get shot by those, who don't. But, let's digress, when Pals tried to assassinate the King Hussein's brother, the King didn't hesitate to "allah-akbar" some 20.000 Pals and drive them off to Lebanon. Arabs were silent, why? Because it would be their same response as well.
* Khalil Abu Olbeh had been driving ... the Israeli bus company Egged.
"Poor and robbed Pal Arab with a $2 to spare daily" ... with an Eged paycheck, running at 8.000 ($3.333) a month. Obviously, Mohammed Dahlan (a known Gaza "security" thug boss and a racketeer) had been confiscating all his money.;o)) LOL.
* a violation of international law as a collective punishment.
There is a primate of National law, but ... blowing up Israelis is in accordance with International law, I know.
Every time they are admitted to work in Israel (because Arafat, so far, like the Chechen mafias, has been busy stealing money, instead of promoting the Pal Arab economy), - there are Pals to do anything inside to promote the ban anew.
* the estimated 125,000 Palestinians unable to reach their jobs in Israel.
Has to be viewed in context of 15,000 Palestinians who had been permitted to return to their jobs ... and my previous line.
The rest is also a usual blah-blah in line with the "Edisson" of the "Palestinian nationhood" myth, Arab activist Musa Alami: "The people are in great need of a "myth" to fill their consciousness and imagination."
No shortage of this BS here.

* They are working men, who devote their energies to feeding their families, a task that is far from easy in an imprisoned society in which nearly a third of the population has but $2 a day to spend. They are men, past their youthful years, who sit all day behind the wheels of cabs or on market stalls, before gathering in groups in the rubbish-strewn streets as the sun sets over the sand-dune-covered prison in which they live, encircled by the Israeli military.
I am weeping ... . Why in August, 1995, Clinton censured and classified the US congressional General Accounting Office study of PLO assets , which might have placed the matter of Arafat's claims of Palestinian poverty in another context. Where is all the money given to Arafat's PA, that could turn its "subjects" quite wealthy by even a simple handout of, at least, the known $100 mln. yearly? Why in Nov., 1998, Clinton hosted Arafat and the PLO's donor nations, without making any requirement for the PA to adopt a system of fiscal accountability?
Phil Reeves is the journalism dabbler.
That's a good one for a response on all Reeves dabblers.
Daniel Pipes
February 15, 2001
Thomas Friedman may be the journalist who has the most influence on the way the outside world understands the Arab-Israeli conflict. His reporting in the 1980s for The New York Times from Lebanon and Israel was widely cited and won
him two Pulitzer Prizes. His 1989 book From Beirut to Jerusalem was a huge best-seller and won a prestigious award for nonfiction. As the foreign-affairs columnist at the Times since 1995, Friedman has a prominent platform to expound his views.
Given his importance and the originality of his ideas on Arab-Israeli relations, Friedman's analysis of this topic deserves a look.
His signature concept is applying globalization theory to the conflict. "Globalization" is shorthand for aligning one's educational, financial, and governmental institutions in line with the demands of the international marketplace, so to compete effectively in the world economy.
If Arabs and Israelis would concentrate on fulfilling the imperatives of globalization, he argues, they would not only live better but also find themselves too busy making money to hate each other.
Computers, the Internet, prosperity, and modernity are his solution to nationalistic feuding. Educating one's children beats having them throw rocks; raising one's standard of living means more than maintaining sovereign control over holy places. In brief, economics trumps politics.
Friedman's writings often argue this thesis. A visit to southern Lebanon after the May, 2000, withdrawal of Israeli troops, for example, prompted him to declare, that war with Israel "is over as far as Lebanon is concerned." The occupation done with, old hatreds could now "be balanced by other interests and aspirations for growth."
"Underneath the old, encrusted olive-tree politics of this region," he writes, "is another politics bursting to get out, to get connected and to tie into the world of opportunities."
Friedman's favoring of policies, that disentangle Arabs from Israelis, cause him to lavish praise on former president Bill Clinton for doing "the Lord's work" by pushing the parties so hard to reach an agreement.
Unfortunately for Friedman's thesis (and Clinton's Nobel Prize aspirations), many MEers are still preoccupied by those "encrusted olive-tree politics" he has relegated to the dustbin of history.
For a while, the columnist could blow them off as irrelevant anachronisms. Thus, in 1999 he dismissed Hafez Assad, the late all-powerful Syrian dictator, as "the leader of a failing state" and (no less) as "a deer frozen in history's headlights."
Of late, Friedman has woken up to ME realities. How could he not? The intifada, which has cost the Pals hugely in economic terms, reveals, that destroying Israel remains a higher priority to them than the good life. To make sure none of their money reaches Israel, Egyptians are back-pedaling from the world economy. Saddam Hussein opts for weapons of mass destruction over a decent life for the Iraqi people.
To his credit [none for various Reeveses], Friedman has candidly acknowledged his mystification. "I don't understand" the Arab masses' enthusiasm for Saddam, he writes. Palestinian violence has left advocates of the Oslo process, he admits, "feeling like fools". "Goodbye, Syria. Goodbye, Nasdaq. Hello, oil crisis" is his bewildered response to Syrian saber-rattling along the Lebanese border with Israel.
Actually, his puzzlement runs yet deeper, to the very premises of globalization: "What troubles me most about the mood on the Arab street today is the hostility I detect there to modernization, globalization, democratization, and the information revolution."
Why, he wonders, are Egyptians, Palestinians, and Iraqis unwilling to forgo political dreams for a nice apartment and a late-model car? The answer is simple. Arab hostility toward globalization was there all along but Friedman (along with Clinton) did not want to see it. He overlooked the ME realities and instead imposed onto it an alien [Western] pattern. [So, do various reeveses.]
Sadder but wiser, Thomas Friedman is learning a deep truth about the Middle East. This is one region where politics trumps economics.

LMAO...

Bagel asks:

"""What Web Pal garbage-dump site has he been rabidly scavenging? """"

Look who's talking...

Oh yeah... another Bagel classic:

"""Those, who live by the sword, get shot by those, who don't. """"

Nice! very nice!!!!

I guess u really did come up with that ""aegis "" after all...
LOL.

Antonio has been following in the footsteps of his Guru: Mad Marie, the new Martin Luther of Christian anti-semitic fanatics and part-time trailor park slut. Oh yes and she works as a cleaner in the local ER apparently, when she isn't busy at her PC colating the works of every neo-facist psychopath on the web. But of course she isn't a facist, she's just telling the truth.
Antonio has found his saviour!

* and what about the boogey man ...
Saddam? Mubarak? Assad? Nasrallah? Bin Laden? Arafat & Jihad Inc.? See, You have so many, so, which one are You "typing" about?

OHAYA, KISAKO!
MORNING, MUM!
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"satso" BE WARNED!

if in fact you are the SICK and TWISTED and BANNED
"St. Tony the Annihilist" you wont hang around
here too long.

do your fukt up catholic death-trip ramblings
elsewhere -_-