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February 22, 2000 7:29 am
" igor ( - 216.209.58.217) on Monday, February 21, 2000 - 10:22 pm:
But the great war crime which will be forever linked to Churchill's name is the terror-bombing of the cities of Germany that in the end cost the lives of around 600,000 civilians
and left some 800,000 seriously injured. (Compare this to the roughly 70,000 British lives lost to German air attacks. In fact, there were nearly as many Frenchmen killed by Allied
air attacks as there were Englishmen killed by Germans.) http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/raico-churchill1.html Churchill the war criminal check out all 5 parts"
*Is that the best you can do????????????
Second world war 1939-45.
May I remind you of German attrocities in your own country - somewhere in the region of 20 million dead.
As I said before, why don't you learn from history instead of repeating it?
Kim
February 22, 2000 7:38 am
"Well, ahem, ahem,
My question today for both the inmates and caretakers of this asylum is:
Who killed Babitsky?
(And does anyone object, if Alexander Khinshtein joins our happy little nuthouse?)"
Just wanted to repeat that,
please excuse me.
Kim
Ps Does anyone read the Guardian?
February 22, 2000 8:01 am
morning all
'sfunny, after i went to bed i thought my
reference to "entire cultures" being traumatized
by bad potty training was too low, too
'baconesque'....and i come back to find more of
that kinda stuff.
dunno 'bout some o'you guys....
we'll see how much trouble you can get into while
i'm at work. play nice, now....
===========
ohaya, k-san!
the greetings of the dawn for you
February 22, 2000 8:01 am
>>>By igor ( - 216.209.58.217) on Monday, February 21, 2000 - 10:39 pm:
another bastard enters the world
The 22-year-old Kuwaiti, whose wife reportedly gave birth to their first child just three days after his death, was a theology student at Kuwait university. >>>
No one is expecting you to understand the bravery, selflessness, and faith of this young hero, and other martyrs. I love them all like brothers.
One day you'll die too, what will be your greatest achievement in this world? Just living like a weed?
February 22, 2000 9:12 am
February 22, 2000 9:47 am
The Constitution of the Russian Federation.
Chapter 1:
FOUNDATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM
Article 1
1) The Russian Federation - Russia is a democratic federative
rule-of-law state with a republican form of government.
2) The names Russian Federation and Russia are of equal
validity.
Article 2
The individual and his rights and freedoms are the supreme
value. Recognition, observance and protection of human and
civil rights and freedoms is the obligation of the State.
Article 3
1) The repository of sovereignty and the sole source of
authority in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
2) The people exercise their authority directly and also through
organs of State power and organs of local self-government.
3) The supreme direct expression of the authority of the people
is the referendum and free elections.
4) Nobody can arrogate power in the Russian Federation. The
seizure of power or the arrogation of powers are prosecuted in
accordance with federal law.
Article 4
1) The sovereignty of the Russian Federation extends to the
whole of its territory.
2) The Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws
are paramount throughout the territory of the Russian
Federation.
3) The Russian Federation ensures the integrity and
inviolability of its territory.
Article 5
1) The Russian Federation consists of republics, krays, oblasts,
cities of federal significance, an autonomous oblast and
autonomous okrugs which are equal components of the Russian
Federation.
2) A republic (state) has its own constitution and legislation. A
kray, oblast, city of federal significance, autonomous oblast or
autonomous okrug has its own charter and legislation.
3) The federal structure of the Russian Federation is based on
its State integrity, the unity of the system of State power, the
delimitation of areas of responsibility and powers between
organs of State power of the Russian Federation and organs of
State power of the components of the Russian Federation, and
the equality and self-determination of the peoples in the
Russian Federation.
4) All components of the Russian Federation are equal with
each other in interrelationships with federal organs of State
power.
Article 6
1) Citizenship of the Russian Federation is acquired and
terminated in accordance with federal law and is uniform and
equal irrespective of the basis on which it is acquired.
2) Each citizen of the Russian Federation possesses all rights
and freedoms on its territory and bears equal obligations
stipulated by the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
3) A citizen of the Russian Federation cannot be deprived of
his citizenship or of the right to change it.
Article 7
1) The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is
aimed at creating conditions ensuring a worthy life and free
development of the individual.
2) In the Russian Federation people's labor and health are
protected, a guaranteed minimum wage is established, State
support is ensured for the family, mothers, fathers, children,
invalids and elderly citizens, the system of the social services is
developed, and State pensions, allowances, and other
guarantees of social protection are established.
Article 8
1) In the Russian Federation the unity of the economic area,
the free movement of goods, services and financial resources,
support for competition, and freedom of economic activity are
guaranteed.
2) In the Russian Federation private, State, municipal and
other forms of property enjoy equal recognition and protection.
Article 9
1) The land and other natural resources are utilized and
protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and
activity of the peoples inhabiting the corresponding territory.
2) The land and other natural resources can be in private, State,
municipal, or other forms of ownership.
Article 10
State power in the Russian Federation is exercised on the basis
of the separation of legislative, executive and judicial powers.
Organs of legislative, executive and judicial power are
independent.
Article 11
1) State power in the Russian Federation is exercised by the
President of the Russian Federation, the Federal Assembly
(the Federation Council and the State Duma), the Government
of the Russian Federation and the courts of the Russian
Federation.
2) State power in the components of the Russian federation is
exercised by the organs of State power formed by them.
3) The delimitation of areas of responsibility and powers
between organs of State power of the Russian Federation and
organs of State power of components of the Russian Federation
is effected by the present Constitution and the Federation
Treaty and other treaties concerning the delimitation of areas
of responsibility and powers.
Article 12
In the Russian Federation local self-government is recognized
and guaranteed. Within the limits of its powers local
self-government is independent. Organs of local
self-government do not form part of the system of organs of
State power.
Article 13
1) In the Russian Federation ideological diversity is recognized.
2) No ideology may be established as the State ideology or as a
compulsory ideology.
3) In the Russian Federation political diversity and a
multi-party system are recognized.
4) Social associations are equal before the law.
5) The creation and activity of social associations whose
objectives and actions are directed towards the forcible
alteration of the basic principles of the constitutional system
and the violation of the integrity of the Russian Federation, the
undermining of the security of the State, the creation of armed
formations, or the fueling of social, racial, national or religious
strife are prohibited.
Article 14
1) The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion may be
established as the State religion or a compulsory religion.
2) Religious associations are separated from the State and are
equal before the law.
Article 15
1) The Constitution of the Russian Federation has supreme
legal force and is direct-acting and applies throughout the
territory of the Russian Federation. Laws and other legal
enactments adopted in the Russian Federation must not
contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
2) Organs of State power, organs of local self-government,
officials, citizens, and associations thereof are obliged to
observe the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the
laws.
3) Laws are subject to official publication. Unpublished laws are
not applied. Any normative legal enactments affecting human
and civil rights, freedoms and duties cannot be applied unless
they have been officially published for universal information.
4) Generally recognized principles and norms of international
law and the international treaties of the Russian Federation are
a constituent part of its legal system. If an international treaty
of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those
stipulated by the law, the rules of the international treaty apply.
Article 16
1) The provisions of the present chapter of the Constitution
form the basic principles of the
Constitutional system of the
Russian Federation and cannot be altered except by the
procedure laid down by the present Constitution.
2) No other provisions of the present Constitution can
contradict the basic principles of the Constitutional system of
the Russian Federation.
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February 22, 2000 9:53 am
Now, lets see if I understood this right.
1.The Chechen Constitution (see above) predated the Russian Constitution by two years.
2. Despite previously having voted for Yeltsin,
Chechnia seceeded from the RF before the Ratification of the Russian constitution.
Could this shed some light on the failure of democracy and the rule of law in Chechnia?
Looks like they were stitched up.
February 22, 2000 10:36 am
TURK---Igor,
What do you want me to read? The article is from RUSSIAN INFORMATIONAL CENTRE (THE MINISTRY FOR PRESS, TELEVISION, RADIO ...)
Turk it is an accepted fact about the hostages,however you can choose to believe what you perceive as truth(KAVKAZ.ORG)You are braindead pal. COALITION do we accept Abfool as COALITION COMEDIAN?
February 22, 2000 10:38 am
Infidesl WILL DIEe!!! We will figth yuo to tha end!!! Russkuee Ivan Go HOMe!!
February 22, 2000 10:39 am
Good news for Russia
Communists win Parliamentary polls in Kyrgyztan
HT Correspondent (Moscow, February 21)
THE COMMUNIST Party has won the controversial Parliamentary elections in the Central Asian Republic of Kyrgyzstan, Russian news agencies report.
According to the official ITAR-Tass agency, the Communists picked up 29 per cent of the votes in Sunday's election, which should yield it a dominant position in the 105-seat, two-chambred Parliament.
In second place, was the Democratic Party of Women, followed by the My Country party with 11 per cent of the votes, Tass said.
The Communists advocate the reunification of Kyrgystan with Russia, by signing a treaty with Moscow, similar to that recently adopted by Belarus.
Head of the Communist Party's Central Executive Committee Nikolia Bailo told newsmen that Russia and Kyrgyzstan “have a favourable situation for merging in the future
February 22, 2000 10:49 am
Names of ten Russian Special Forces soldiers killed in this operation whose bodies were recovered by the Mujahideen.
Insha-Allah, on their journey to Hell...
1. Igor Tarasov, Major from Isilkul, Omsk Province
2. Dmitrijus Agapov, Major from Tara, Omsk Province
3. Dr Yakov Andreyev, Doctor from Evenk, Evenk Province
4. Eduard Protas, Soldier from Sikivkar, Komi Province
5. Loenid Vladas, Soldier from Surgut, Khanti-Mansi Province
6. Oleg Shvetsov, Soldier from Nefteugansk, Khanti-Mansi Province
7. Yuriy Igoninas, Soldier from Vorkuta, Komi Province
8. Sergey Pugach, Soldier from Solikamsk, Perm Province
9. Aleksandr Shalomeyev, Soldier from Tchaikovskii, Perm Province
10. Vladimir Zhelonkin, Nizhenevartovsk, Khanti-Mansi Province
February 22, 2000 11:02 am
CEC Approves Skuratov's
Candidacy
By Oksana Yablokova
Staff Writer ( Moscow Times?)
The Central Election Commission on Monday
registered three more candidates for next month's
presidential elections, including suspended Prosecutor
General Yury Skuratov, bringing the total number of
candidates for the country's highest post to 11.
Skuratov, who had said he feared Kremlin pressure on
the CEC and expected troubles with his registration as
a presidential candidate, was visibly surprised and
pleased.
"I understand it was not easy, and I'm glad you have
found the courage to follow the law," he said,
addressing CEC commissioner Alexander
Veshnyakov after receiving the identification card of
a presidential candidate.
Skuratov was registered unanimously after the
commission found that as many 14.82 percent of the
voter signatures on a petition supporting his
candidacy were invalid. Under the election law, no
more than 15 percent can be invalid.
Later Monday, however, Veshnyakov said some
registered candidates could still be barred from
running for president.
RTR state television's analytical program "Zerkalo"
aired an interview Sunday with an anonymous woman
who said signatures on some petitions were forged by
people working for firms employed to collect
signatures for candidates, Interfax reported.
Veshnyakov said a tape of the RTR report was
forwarded to the Prosecutor General's Office for
investigation. If it shows that "some candidates used
the services of such firms, then a registration can be
annulled," Veshnyakov was quoted as saying.
Skuratov, who was suspended in April after he began
a probe into alleged Kremlin corruption, remains the
subject of Kremlin investigations on charges that he
abused his office.
Besides Skuratov, the elections commission Monday
also registered controversial entrepreneur Umar
Dzhabrailov and Yevgeny Savostyanov, a former
deputy head of the presidential administration who
worked for the anti-Kremlin Fatherland party in the
State Duma elections.
Dzhabrailov was registered despite some infractions
found in his income and property declaration, Interfax
reported. He declared an income of 8.5 million rubles
for 1998 and 1999, while a document produced by the
Tax Ministry showed that in 1998 he earned an
additional 4,800 rubles. The dollar equivalent is
impossible to calculate because the exchange rate
went from 6 to 26 to the dollar during those two years.
Also, while Dzhabrailov declared no apartments or
houses, CEC officials produced a document from the
Federal Security Service showing he co-owns a house
in the Moscow region, Interfax said.
The CEC's decision to register Dzhabrailov despite
the infractions was surprising since it had denied
registration to Duma Deputy Vladimir Zhirinovsky
last Thursday. CEC officials said Zhirinovsky had
failed to declare a tiny Moscow apartment belonging
to his son. Zhirinovsky filed an appeal to the Supreme
Court.
On Monday, the election commission refused to
register businessman Anzori Aksentyev-Kikalashvili,
who leads the small All-Russia Political Party of the
People. CEC officials said he failed to collect enough
valid signatures.
The CEC on Saturday cleared Yabloko leader Grigory
Yavlinsky; Stanislav Govorukhin, a filmmaker and
Duma deputy; and Ella Panfilova, a former Duma
deputy and Cabinet minister. Panfilova is the only
woman among the 11 candidates.
Monday was the last day for candidates to register for
the March 26 election. According to the latest polls,
acting President Vladimir Putin is well ahead with
almost 60 percent of the vote. Communist leader
Gennady Zyuganov is second with some 20 percent.
February 22, 2000 11:03 am
* I guess the more candidates they allow to stand, the more likely the opposition vote will be split.
Good news for Putin!
Kim
February 22, 2000 11:20 am
Gen. Ermolov. Well, he did all other generals were doing. Before and after him there was all the same. Nothing new in a state expansion process. The "independent" Chechnia never existed and couldn't exist - some state entity would've taken the territory the same. Turkey lost it. Russia took it. To say whether it was right or not has no sense. The empire crumbled down, and new entities popped up (it's universal). And 1991 Dudayew declared independence. The main support for it within was based on the Stalin era memories. Could the country "have dealt" with Dudayew's declaration? Probably could, but it didn't. Then the economy started going down. Dudayew hoped for a transit path of crude to the West, - a UAE "dream" - living near oil, no need to work, everything' shining bright, sababa. It couldn't have happened - there are not enough crazies to lay an oil pipeline through the unstable territory. But the "independent" state has to support itself somehow. Collect taxes, create and maintain social security programs, defend its subjects. Dudayew couldn't and didn't provide for that, because it needed a working industry, agriculture, qualified managers, and people with firearms came to the scene in the absence of the former. Dudayew didn't want a war with Russia - he was a former Russian military himself and new what's what. But the war was inevitable because of the criminal regime already formed. The so-called field commanders had absolute power. Since gangs need to sustain themselves - hence criminal activity within the framework of the ruined local economy. Any state couldn't and can't put up with a gangsters' paradise, and the attempt to normalize the situation was undertaken in 1994-96, - but it turned out Russia didn't have the army, and what was about to happen - did. And Maskhadow didn't want to fight Russia - he is a former Russian military himself and knows what's what, but it was inevitable since Maskhadow's power's based on those same field commanders of the criminal territory. Maskhadow was kinda given a chance - Chechniya got 2 bln. US, free power and gas and used to steal crude from the Baku-Novor. pipeline regularly, - to no avail. Gangs in the meantime put those funds to the "proper" use, and, as any organized gang, needed expansion - hence invasion of Dagestan. If Russia kept silent scared, it would've been the end of it, - the regions would've started brooding. Hence the Dagestani operation. Gangs were kicked back, but in view, that all the military infrastructure was in place, it was (possibly) thought nice to deal with the gangs for good, hence the Chechen operation. The West whines about talks (heck, when Serbs agreed to terms, the terms were immediately modified to the unacceptability, talk of hypocricy.). With Basayew, Khattab? About what? So that they were gone? And what would they do in Chechniya? Within 8 years no "civilized regime" have been established. Maskhadow tried ... he tried to chase kidnappers, tried to establish an Islamic "state" - nothing worked. And wouldn't've worked, because his power are field commanders.
February 22, 2000 11:25 am
Turk will never learn.
Anyways,
Expenditures. To keep'em happy.
A comparative table of events.
A chronology of events.
