DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT...

Andrei Babitsky, a correspondent of Radio Liberty, is currently located in a mountainous district of Chechnya. According to news agency ITAR-TASS, this information was disclosed by acting Russian President Vladimir Putin in the course of his meeting with Foreign Secretary of Great Britain Robin Cook. The meeting took place on Wednesday in the Kremlin.

I guess FSB is only 'semi-Evil' after allunlike its Mighty godfather - KGB. Unless above mentioned is....propaganda...ha.

I don't take a side in the conflict in Chechnya, as I see it as being a question of who reaps the oil pipeline revenues from the imperialists. Why any Russian youth would lay down his life for the benefit of the nascent Russian bourgeosie is more than I can comprehend, and I admire the
88-percent who refused to comply with Russia's conscription laws. Likewise I'm appalled that young Chechnyans would kill, maim, bleed and die for "their" nationalist bourgeosie, for these youths will reap absolutely nothing out of this, save for a "plastic key into heaven."

All this aside, I'm amused by the hypocritical "concern" of those neo-liberal "human rights" groups for those "poor innocent" Chechnyan civilians. These groups are conscious agents of the imperialists whose only real concern is that Russia must not be in the position to control the flow of oil in the region, lest the imperialists be deprived of that power.

War is not a civilized activity. It is an uncivilized historical excess, and as such it is naive to believe that the rules of peace can be applied to the "rules" of war, for in war one either wins or dies. An army is a killing machine, and when you train people to be part of that machine and send them into war you turn them into killers, for war is about killing. People aim fire rockets aand morters at one another and blow them to bits. They burn people to death. They fire bullets into and/or through the bodies of their adversaries. They plunge knife blades into people's bodies and crack people's skulls with their rifle butts. So to expect that soldiers are going to conduct themselves as gentlemen, is indicative of a total ignorance of what war is all about.

The Russian working class is paying the price for the betrayal of the forty-million Soviet workers who died defending the Soviet Union (the gains of 1917) in both the civil war and the Second World War. They gave back everything to their bourgeois bosses that their comrades died for, and now they are suffering the consequences of that betrayal.

The fall of the Soviet Union has sent shockwaves through time itself. Its effects will be felt for generations. The international working class will once agin be drawn into imperalist wars as imperialism extends itself eastward. Working class children of today will be the cannon fodder of the armies of the bosses.

The Russian working class must take back what it lost. For socialist revolution in Russia! Workers, take history into your own hands and overthrow the Russian bougeois government and state. Establish workers' rule!

"No!" to Great Russian Chauvanism and all nationalism! The working class is INTERNATIONAL!

Balalaika,

don't be so bitter,
in any case, I don't need any "friendly" advices from a true Racist..as you admitted yourself, you hate Russians...
As per my Japanese - you You WERE CLEVER(as you claim to be) you'd see that me and L-chan have been practising Japs. for quite a while.

And BTW - it'd be my pleasure to call you a lier infront of everyone here - you DO know what "salo" is..••••••• lieing girly..don't contradict yourself in a future, maybe people will actally start reading the crap you are posting.

Go eat some "salo" sushi, lier..

For those of you who wish to see Babitski alive:
http://allnews.ru/english/2000/02/24/babitsky/

"""Yes, Dimitry, thanks. The link material gave some to laugh about. Will, probably, post it later. """

Kissie,

I know, huh! It is nothing but FUNNY..besides wasn't it Americans who were selling weapons to Iranians in exchange for hostages? Raegan or Bush? Or both? I forgot..

It was Reagan in the Iran-Contra deal.

K-san,

thank you.

Here's something off-topic to chat about..

THE REPORT by a special European Parliament commission said that the electronic intelligence-gathering network had the potential to violate the privacy of millions of European citizens and suggested that it has been used to benefit U.S. corporations in economic and industrial espionage.
The ground- and satellite-based intercept system, which is known as Echelon, was designed primarily for use against nonmilitary targets, such as terrorists, drug traffickers and money launderers, the report says.
U.S. officials routinely have dismissed European alarm over Echelon as unwarranted, saying the system is strictly for national security use.
Intelligence officials also dispute the economic espionage charge on practical grounds, claiming that the sheer volume of intercepts makes targeted industrial spying all but impossible.

For more info check:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/373837.asp

It has been going on for hell-knows-how-many years. US, Britain, Australia, New Zealand - a network of hi-tec interception stations. Actually, there's a picture of one in Britain on one British site (forgot the URL) belonging to a pro-close-it activist group. Industrial espionage is possible, regardless of the blah - it's just a matter of targeted sifting and faster computers.

Industrial espionage in nothing. A few years ago CIA admitted that it had eardropped on private phone lines in the US. The nation that yaps about privacy the most gets what it deserves from its own goverment

Yeap, once again they are denying(or dismissing, as they say(LOL)) the obvious..the funny thing though that EU is accusing US of something that EU does as well to others and each other..EU just can't do the same to US due to the "slow speed of their modems"( just like you said)..
"It" is definitely possible and being done on the regular basis..
BTW what kinda sunctions against Russia will US make anyways? Gonna point the finger and say somethng like: "You bad, bad Russians, no mo'$$$ for you!"...please! LOL

Michaelfromseattle


I don't agree with everything you said...but I fully agree about your thoughts on war...you are very realistic...Once there is a war, no rule(of peace) will never be respected.. War have his own rules and its mean " blood is calling for blood". It is the rule of History. We had never seen a civilise war because because it is a contradiction in itself : remember Dresde, Hiroshima,Vietnam ...nothing human in those acts of war. Only winners, stupids or hypocrite talks about "Human Rights Watch" war. WAR IS A CRIME IN ITSELF but war will always be...for Mohammed, for Marx, for oil, for Napoleon, for Hitler, for the Empire(roman,french,english,american )for....etc..It is ABSURD but it is human.....

Speakin' of Reagan..There's another one on the rise, and his name is.....George W. Bush. Same freakin' platform - Reaganomics! Which means:

a)increase government spending;
b)increase military spending;
c)cut down on social programs;
d)cut down on taxes a lot; which is good in a short-term program but has sever consequences in a long-term - Bush Sr. "paid" for it big-time.

So ain't Bush Jr. great for America? I think not..

FOCUS-Thatcher linked to spy order on ministers


Updated 5:24 PM ET February 24, 2000
NEW YORK, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher used a global surveillance network to spy on two cabinet ministers in 1983, former Canadian agent Mike Frost was quoted on Thursday as saying.
The two unnamed ministers were not suspected of being traitors but Thatcher felt they disagreed with her over certain policy matters, Frost said. He said they were spied on by a Canadian agent.

Frost made his allegations to the CBS-TV programme "60 Minutes," according to released excerpts.

In London, no comment was immediately available from Thatcher but Prime Minister Tony Blair's office said the government would draw the allegations to her attention.

"We will make sure Baroness Thatcher is aware of these allegations so she can judge whether they merit a response," a spokeswoman told Reuters.

Frost's allegations came in the same week that a European Parliament report said the Echelon surveillance network, a series of listening posts around the world run by the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand, was used for industrial espionage.

The British government denied on Wednesday that it used Echelon for industrial spying in Europe that could help U.S. corporations win contracts ahead of European companies. Echelon was designed to eavesdrop on suspected terrorists, drug lords and other governments hostile to the five members.

"(Thatcher) had two ministers that she said, 'they weren't on side,'...so my boss went to London and did intercept traffic from those two ministers," Frost was quoted as saying in the excerpts released by "60 Minutes."

His comments are due to be broadcast on Sunday.

Frost, who said he worked for Canadian intelligence from 1972 until 1992, alleged the five countries could circumvent domestic laws against spying on citizens by asking another Echelon member to do it for them.

"The British Parliament now have total deniability," Frost said, referring to the alleged spying on the two ministers, whom he did not identify. "They didn't do anything... We did it for them."

A senior British Foreign Office official said in response to the European Parliament report that "any surveillance that there is in Britain has to be authorised in accordance with the law as does any American activity here."

Echelon was capable of intercepting phone conversations, faxes and e-mail messages around the world but sometimes the communications of ordinary, innocent civilians were also monitored, Frost told "60 Minutes."

He cited a woman whose name and telephone number went into the network's database as a possible terrorist because she had told a friend on the phone that her son had "bombed" in a school play.

"The computer spit that conversation out," Frost was quoted as saying. "The analyst ... was not too sure what the conversation was referring to, so, erring on the side of caution, he listed that lady."

I meant to say "severe consequences", of course..