"Drake the retards paid Russian commander $100,000 to escape .It was a trap and they were led into minefield and machinegun nests and the rest is history"

and that's why you never trust russians. few more days. russians will never take over mountains, because they are even scared to move around grozny, even if all rebels are gone. they are so scared of them, how can you russians on this board expect untrained young 18 year old soldier to go against certain death. no, he will not go, and neither will russian army. there will be air force and artillery. and then, after few day, rebels will attack, and kill again many russians. that's what they were waiting for. russia cannot talk about victory, they achieved nothing. what? grozny? yes, after rebels pulled out, otherwise they wouldn't be able to take it maybe until summer. but, what do they have from it. nothing, rebels just relocated and will attack other convoys and kill even more russians then they did before. you can't talk about victory, if few meters farther, you have the whole army, who will attack you the next morning. and i believe russian generals know that very well.

Good afternoon one and all, and a special HELLO TO MY DARLING DIMITRI, Oh, I just love that name.

At any rate, does anyone happen to know THE SHORTEST BOOK EVERE WRITTEN?
WHY IT'S THE BOOK ON CHECHAN WAR HEROS.

HA HA HA HA Oh I'm on a roll today

What a bunch of dummies, falling for the old lead me out of the woods I'm in trouble routine. Oh those crafty Russian heros who will continue their march to great victory. Or was it Allah who, having just about enough of the incompetant micky mouse warriors showed them the way to marterdome?

Alah, stick a fork in their arse, THERE ALL DONE

The most deserved end of for Russians

For my russian friends (in Windows Cyryllic font. )


Îäèí ìóæ÷èíà ñêîí÷àëñÿ, åùå òðîå ìóæ÷èí è æåíùèíà ïîïàëè â ðåàíèìàöèè ìîñêîâñêèõ áîëüíèö â ñîñòîÿíèè òÿæåëîãî îòðàâëåíèÿ â ðåçóëüòàòå "ðàñïèòèÿ" ñòåêëîî÷èñòèòåëüíîé æèäêîñòè äëÿ àâòîìîáèëåé.

Êàê ñîîáùèë êîððåñïîíäåíòó ÈÒÀÐ-ÒÀÑÑ îïåðàòèâíûé äåæóðíûé ïî ÎÂÄ Áóòûðñêèé, ñåãîäíÿ îêîëî 11.30 óòðà òðîå áîìæåé áóêâàëüíî "âïîëçëè â ïîìåùåíèå ÎÂÄ Áóòûðñêèé è íà÷àëè êðè÷àòü î ïîìîùè". Ñîòðóäíèêàì ìèëèöèè îíè ðàññêàçàëè, ÷òî óòðîì ñåëè â âûñåëåííîì çäàíèè ïðÿìî íàïðîòèâ îòäåëåíèÿ ïî óë.Ðóñòàâåëè ä.12 è íà ïÿòåðûõ âûïèëè 5-ëèòðîâóþ êàíèñòðó ñòåêëîî÷èñòèòåëüíîé æèäêîñòè äëÿ àâòîìîáèëåé. Óæå ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî ìèíóò îíè ïî÷óâñòâîâàëè ñåáÿ î÷åíü ïëîõî è äâîå èç ïèâøèõ, â òîì ÷èñëå îäíà æåíùèíà òàê è íå ñìîãëè âñòàòü. Ñîòðóäíèêè ìèëèöèè âûçâàëè "ñêîðóþ ïîìîùü" è áðîñèëèñü â âûñåëåííîå çäàíèå. Òàì îíè îáíàðóæèëè òåëî óæå óìåðøåãî îäíîãî èç ñîáóòûëüíèêîâ è íàõîäèâøåãîñÿ â êðàéíå òÿæåëîì ñîñòîÿíèè åùå îäíîãî áîìæà. Ïðèáûâøèå íà óë.Ðóñòàâåëè áðèãàäû "ñêîðîé ïîìîùè" îòâåçëè ÷åòâåðûõ óïîòðåáëÿâøèõ íåçàìåðçàþùóþ æèäêîñòü â ðåàíèìàöèîííûå îòäåëåíèÿ ãîðîäñêèõ áîëüíèö. Ñîñòîÿíèå ïîñòðàäàâøèõ âðà÷è ðàñöåíèâàþò êàê êðàéíå òÿæåëîå.

Just returned from shoping at Alex, the HALAL Butcher. We were talking about the situation in Chechnya, he says:

"IF YOU CAN SLIT A SHI'ITE LIKE I CAN SLIT A SHI'ITE THAN YOUR A GOOD SHI'ITE SLITTER."

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, I'm really cracking myself up. A glorious week for brave Russian soliders, who are conquering the crusty draws micky mouse warriors who's intelligence rivals that of a lower form of plant life.

VICTORY IS AT HAND.

Halfbright chirpping about how Austrian government should not have some one with Nazi background in power.What about Croatia,they had their own SS divisions,same with Albanians but with them it is business as usual.

The U.S. officials said the administration was merely enforcing the embargo against Iraq in ordering the seizure of the Russian vessel. The administration has not said the Russian government was involved with Volga-Neft 147 or its cargo.

Russians lure Chechens into minefield massacre
WebPosted Fri Feb 4 16:29:34 2000
GROZNY - In what's being called the bloodiest massacre since the war began in Chechnya last year, Russian troops say they tricked rebel fighters into a minefield this week.


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The deception killed or injured more than 600 Chechens, who had reportedly offered to pay $100,000 in exchange for safe passage out of Grozny.
"Frankly, we did not expect bandits, especially the key figures, to swallow the bait," Gen. Vladimir Shamanov, a top commander, told Russian television stations Friday. He didn't say if the rebels had paid the money.

IGOR KING OF WELFARE: SHE's NOT HALF BRIGHT, SHE"S NOW KNOWN AS "NOTBRIGHT". THINK SHE MIGHT OF SATISFIED CLINTON TO GET HER JOB?

Russia's Grozny Deal

Russia claims to have driven the Chechens out of Grozny, but others suggest it struck a
humiliating deal to save itself further embarrassment at the hands of the rebels.

By Andrei Matyash in Moscow (CRS No. 17, 4-Feb-00)

On the night of February 1, a force of up to 2,000 Chechen fighters abandoned key
positions in Grozny and slipped through the federal blockade. The battle to seize the
capital was all but won -- but not in a way that the Russians would have chosen.

General Victor Kazantsev, heading the Russian troops, was denied his moment of glory.
He would have liked to have swept through Grozny at the head of an armoured fist, driving
the demoralised Chechen rebels before him.

Instead, it would appear that the bulk of the defending garrison pulled out in a well planned
operation, leaving the Russians with nothing more than a handful of prisoners - mostly
fighters who were too badly wounded to move - and a virtual wasteland of blasted
concrete.

The Chechen withdrawal was perhaps not as seamless as the rebel commanders might
have wished. Most versions of the event agree that a sizeable force under maverick
warlord Shamil Basaev blundered into a minefield near the village of Alkhan-Kala, before
being caught in a punishing artillery barrage.

Casualties were heavy: top field commanders Aslambek Ismailov, Khunkar-Pasha
Israpilov and Lecha Dudayev, mayor of Grozny, were killed. Basaev is rumoured to have
lost a leg.

Nevertheless, it is hard to explain how 2,000 heavily-armed rebels could have broken
through a cordon of 60,000 federal troops in the heat of some of the fiercest fighting that
Europe has seen since World War Two.

It is even harder to explain what happened afterwards. Western journalists in Alkhan-Kala
reported that scores of Chechen wounded were given rudimentary first aid at a local
hospital while their comrades regrouped to the south of the village. Then a force of around
200 fighters came down from the mountains to cover the rebel retreat. An extraordinary
feat when one considers that Alkhan-Kala was supposedly under federal control at the
time.

The Russian military suggests that two months of carpet-bombing had effectively broken
the rebels' fighting spirit. General Vladimir Shamanov claimed that 800 Chechens
surrendered prior to the exodus, then the bulk of the shattered defence force was
deliberately lured into a cunning trap.

He explained that an agent provocateur with the Russian security service FSB had
promised to secure the Chechens a safe corridor to Alkhan-Kala in return for $100,000.
The rebels then, "like complete idiots", stumbled into a specially laid minefield and fell
victim to "the withering crossfire of federal troops".

Colonel Alexander Veklich, head of the press centre for Army Group North, announced,
"The federal command made a conscious decision to lure the fighters out of the city, so
as to minimise our losses."

However, it is infinitely more likely that the "conscious decisions" were in fact made by
the Chechen high command. January 31 was the official deadline for a Russian amnesty
offering safe passage to any Chechen fighters surrendering their weapons to the federal
troops.

On the same day, a total of 140 rebels gave themselves up to pro-Russian Chechen
militiamen in the Staraya Sunzha district. Of these 60 per cent were seriously wounded or
suffering from a variety of illnesses ranging from pneumonia to kidney infections.

According to Bislan Gantamirov, former mayor of Grozny and head of the militia, most of
the prisoners were aged between 18 and 23, men recruited by Basaev and Chechen
president Aslan Maskhadov in October and November. The fighters, he said, "had simply
been browbeaten by their leaders and recognised the futility of resisting the Russian
forces."

It seems much more likely that the rebel forces were actually getting rid of their "dead
weight" prior to breaking out of the city. Certainly, Russian troops seized nothing more
than a few assault rifles whilst the bulk of the Chechen arsenal was spirited away to the
hills.

Why did the Russian generals wait three days before announcing that the "complete
idiots" had fallen into their crafty trap? In the past, they have been quick - usually too
quick - to trumpet their victories.

No less suspicious is the fact that, even according to official reports, 75 per cent of the
Chechen forces came through the "withering crossfire" unscathed and took refuge in
Alkhan-Kala for at least 24 hours - time enough for Basaev to undergo emergency surgery
and plan his next move.

If the trap was so carefully set, then why were there no Russian troops waiting for Basaev
in Alkhan-Kala? Why was the operation not seen through to its logical conclusion?

All the evidence points towards a bargain that was, in fact, initiated by the Russian
general staff. Appalled by the rising human cost of the siege and the stubborn Chechen
resistance, the generals went cap in hand to their rebel counterparts and offered a safe
passage out of Grozny to the entire garrison - failing to mention, of course, that there was
a minefield directly in their path.

From Alkhan-Kala, the guerrillas were able to make good their escape to nearby mountain
strongholds. It was a trade-off that allowed Russian Acting President Vladimir Putin to
save face and the Chechen guerrillas to gather their strength.

Then it was simply a case of putting on a noisy show for the media. Artillery
bombardments rained down on unmanned rebel positions, tanks pulverised empty
buildings and blood-soaked prisoners were paraded in front of the TV cameras. Finally,
the Russian army began advancing through the conquered city at a leisurely pace,
savouring their long-awaited victory.

Andrei Matyash is a correspondent for the Internet publication Gazeta.ru in Moscow

TO SO-CALLED MUSLIMS:

(V.3:149) What is said about residence (staying) in the land of Ash-Shirk (polytheism i.e. the land where polytheism is practised).

Narrated Sumurah bin Jundub: Allah's Messenger said: "Anybody (from among the Muslims) who meets, gathers together, lives and stays (permanently) with a Mushrik (polytheist or a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah) and agrees to his ways, opinions and (enjoys) his living with him (Mushrik) then he (that Muslim) is like him (Mushrik). (THIS HADITH INDICATES THAT A MUSLIM SHOULD NOT STAY IN A NON-MUSLIM COUNTRY, HE MUST EMIGRATE TO A MUSLIM COUNTRY, WHERE ISLAM IS PRACTISED.)"

The Book of Jihad, Abu Dawud

DO NOT CALL YOURSELF A MUSLIM IF YOU ARE ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN NON-MUSLIM COUNTRY (USA, CANADA, JAPAN, ETC)!

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Oxigen bombs for my Chechen warriors. If they reach the mountains we will bomb them by much much powerful weapon. But I guess they won't be able to reach these mountaints. They are escaping under heavy fire from Russian air & artillery force. The number of Mujuheeden are becoming less & less every day. The only thing they can do is to say that the war not finished, it's just the begining & etc. Indeed, this war is lost for Chechens. Right after Russians will catch Basayev & Khatab it will be completely finished. For now, everybody will enjoy by oxigen bombs. Thers is no more civilians to hide behind. See you.

P.S. Turk & other non-Russians fellows your time will come soon. Don't insult Russian women or you'll answer for this.

"some of the fiercest fighting that
Europe has seen since World War Two."

You think some 2,000 caucis blacks versis 60,000 is heaviest fighting since WW2? I really dont think so my friend. Afghanistan left 200,000 soviet troops dead and 1,000,000 afghans. Or another place to turn would be crumbling Yugoslavia. Not some small war with puni chechens.

ULTRA ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?

BRAVE MUJAHIDEEN WERE ABLE TO KILL ONLY 14,000 SOVIET SOLDIERS IN TEN YEARS.