slovak:
are not you taking everything in extrime????
Have you ever served in army?
russians can't win this war. they're too weak. if they can't defeat an army of less than 2000 in Grozny, while they have more than 50,000 plus tanks, airforce and artillery, something is wrong. they can't fight or maybe they are afraid to fight. you tell me.
I do not want to argue if russians are strong military or not, but 2000 people with auto weapons can cause a lot of damage/dead. If you were a solder or responsible for the life of other solder you would not risk the urban war. Look at the world today, NATO did not send ground troops into Kosovo, because they understood that. NAto used air force for 3 month before some solution was achieved. 3 month. that is a lot of time for organization who are much stronger and richer that russian federal forces.

explosions in Moscow were not done by the chechen terrorists, but by the russian government.
Do you have any proof of it?? or you just saying it because of ....?

stalin and germans were good at least for something: germans killed millions of russian soldiers, and stalin, as all russian dictators, killed millions of his own people. too bad germany loosed the war.

Although, I agree with you in saying that Stalin and Hitler are the same. I would like to think of that you just posted here. If you are actually "slovak" than you should know about SS treatment of slav people or millions other "non aric" races.
Your last message is not an insult to russians, but all nationalities who lost they life figting fashists.

thanks

Hello turk:
I agree with you that this war is not good for anyone. But whom do Russian federation should negotiate with???

Please, do not use Basaeve, since he started this war.

Thanks

ass:
nicely said

slovak:
did not you use different login names before:
"british and "truthseeker"


thanks

to all:
this is very interesting site:
www.stratfor.com It would be interesting to see what would comeout of CIS meeting on Jan 24

thanks

By ® ( - 152.163.197.53) on Wednesday, January 12, 2000 - 11:16 pm:
Adder21>>> You are right, Soviet Union did lose in Afghanistan. If by losing you mean pulling out. Indeed, Soviet Army lost 14,000 soldiers. Sounds a lot doesn't it? But 14,000 were lost during a period of 10 (ten) years and out of 650,000 soldiers (no more than 100,000 in Afghanistan at any point of occupation). And there's another number that people tend to forget, 2,000,000 Afghani dead during the same period of time. You do the math.

TRUE MORE AFGHANS DIED... BUT WHAT WAS THE RUSSIANS OBJECTIVE? DID THEY WIN NO.. AFGHANISTAN WAS LIBIRATED..HOW MANY CHECHENS DIED IN THE 1ST WAR ALOT DID THEY WIN? YES..

By x ( - 142.194.249.25) on Thursday, January 13, 2000 - 12:13 am:
John


Of course, the fanatic muslims wanted that war because they thought Allah will do the war for them..It's crazy but it's true..It is very hard to understand that stupidity for a rational mind. They don't care about logic or history...or anything else..I learn that just by reading this site
HMMMMMMMM... OH! PLEASE REMEMBER THE CRUSADES WHAT WAS THAT..

"…The main idea of the war remained the same. Many tanks, many airplanes, many soldiers. And the skills of organizing big wars are not coming through school desks. Though, you are right partly, this experience is being losing now, because of the time.

Well, you can't deny that to provide such an advantage requires skills. 🙂 We are not at the battle arena, and the war has no rules. If you win, then you win, no matter how much times you were overcoming the enemy, don't you think so"

The idea of [how to conduct a] war doesn't stay the same. That's why a 50 years old war experience, you are considering so dear, has only moral value, at best. And invoking of Soviet WWII victories to support superiority of Russian military skills was on your part rather unexpected. Yes, in the WWI Russia was among winners, though "…no matter how much…" spoiled a lot of pride and glory. If it was "no matter how less" then it would be a different story…

I hope that imaginary military conflict between US and Russia is only a mind game for you. So, if those "bold words" are used just to sound grandiose, then never mind. And, though I would take my chances with the US military, I wish that our skills against each other will ever stay unverified.

By x ( - 142.194.249.25) on Thursday, January 13, 2000 - 12:29 am:
John


On this site, those muslims like to show blood, death, violence...and they always pray Allah when they show you that. It's crazy...But we must understand that follow Mahomet who was exactly like that. History show us that he was a killer, a raper ( one time he rape a 9 years old girl) and he make those guys believe that he was speaking for God...INCREDIBLE

YOUR FULL OF ••••!!! WHAT NONSENCE YOU PREACH.
WHAT PROOF DO U HAVE? NONE. THE FACT IS YOU HATE MUSLIMS THAT MAKES U A BIGOT! AND FOR YOUR INFO WE DONT FOLLOW MOHAMMED. OFCOARSE HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT. BASED ON YOUR STATMENTS YOU DONT KNOW MUCH. PROBABLY NOT EDUCATED MUCH ARE YOU.
FURTHER MORE THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE A DISCUSSION BOARD. NOT A PLACE TO SPREAD YOUR FILTH AND BIGOT WAYS!MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY TO USE YOUR BRAIN AND DISCUSS.

adder21:
YOUR FULL OF ••••!!! ....PROBABLY NOT EDUCATED MUCH ARE YOU.
FURTHER MORE THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE A DISCUSSION BOARD. NOT A PLACE TO SPREAD YOUR FILTH AND BIGOT WAYS!MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY TO USE YOUR BRAIN AND DISCUSS
I am sorry, but you do not seems to be discussing anything either. You just called xnames and doubt his intelegentse. I am not sure if this constitute discussion.

Of course, the fanatic muslims wanted that war because they thought Allah will do the war for them..It's crazy but it's true..It is very hard to understand that stupidity for a rational mind. They don't care about logic or history...or anything else..I learn that just by reading this site
HMMMMMMMM... OH! PLEASE REMEMBER THE CRUSADES WHAT WAS THAT..

Both religions are used to ignite war, by using crusades (should of choose something more recent) you do not prove or disprove anything

thanks

By Walex ( - 208.216.242.146) on Thursday, January 13, 2000 - 02:14 pm:
"Of course, it is my humble opinion, but it seems to be true. During the WW2 Soviet Army
received giantic experience in the large-scaled land war. USA has not such an experience."


HOW THE HELL U GONNA TAKE ON NATO U HAVE NO MONEY, YOU GO AND BEG TO THE US AND ALLIES FOR MONEY.CANT SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY AND U THINK U CAN DEFEAT NATO? WE ALL KNOW HOW GOOD RUSSIAN EQUIPMENT DID DURING THE GULF WAR..

walex:
If I remember correctly, than amount of nucler weapons both country have is enougth to brake this globe appart. I guess, I am trying to say that no one wins, everyone looses.
But based on your messages before you probably know that.
So, let trade, eat and fight marsians 🙂

thanks

adder21:
HOW THE HELL U GONNA TAKE ON NATO U HAVE NO MONEY, YOU GO AND BEG TO THE US AND ALLIES FOR MONEY.CANT SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY AND U THINK U CAN DEFEAT NATO? WE ALL KNOW HOW GOOD RUSSIAN EQUIPMENT DID DURING THE GULF WAR..
I do not want to argue about who wins (see my message above), but I would say that equipment itself does not do a thing, people need to know how to use it properly. Irag's army was not prepare to fight this war, the generals were not ready or knew the proper use of troops (please, do not believe my word, check the military analisys: www.fas.org)

thanks.
P.S. could you not type in capital letters all the time.

By drake ( - 199.86.68.172) on Thursday, January 13, 2000 - 09:40 pm:
SO YOUR SAYIN CUZ IT WUZ THE PAST ITS ALLRIGHT?
WAS HITLER A MUSLIM? HE WAS SUPPOTED BY THE VATICAN HE HAD THERE BLESSING. WW1 WUZ THT A MUSLIM WAR? NO CHRISTIANS SLAUGHTERING EACH OTHER.
HOW BOUT WHEN THE CHRISTIANS WENT TO AMERICA AND SLAUGHTERED THE INDIANS THERE IN THE NAME OF GOD.
AND WHAT WAS THE SPANISH INQUISISION? MUSLIM?
HOW BOUT THE SERB {CHRISTIAN'S} IN BOSNIAN WAR?
KEEP IN MIND THOUGH THESE WERE ACTIONS BT CHRISTIANS I AM NOT GOING TO SAY ALL CHRISTANS ARE BAD.:-)

By drake ( - 199.86.68.172) on Thursday, January 13, 2000 - 09:51 pm:
YES a nuke war no 1 wins, but a conventional war with nato? how can russia wage ware with no money?
however can a nation invade russia? no.
usa?no.thats an advantige of a nuke

Drake,

"But whom do Russian federation should negotiate with??? Please, do not use Basaeve, since he started this war. "

It is not up to me to make assertions on who should represent Chechens in a negotiating table. But if there is a will, a way forward can be found. When a decision is made to negotiate in good faith, it is not proper trying to impose the other side who should represent them. Basayev is a legend to most Chechens, and a criminal to Russians. Nevertheles he is an important player in the conflict, and trying to circumvent him won't achieve the desired outcome.

I'm confident that if "ever" Russia decides to negotiate, they will negotiate with the right people, without making to much fuss about.