FRED I feel that if the shite is not wiped out it will keep coming back. They need to be taught a lesson.Taliban is now calling for Jihad against Russia.I think we need to use small nuclear device against Grozny and then go to Pakistan and Afghanistan and destroy all their training camps and give warnings to all the other supporters of these lunatics.If they do not stop NUKE. how them that there is a price to pay for challenging Russia.If this is not done this cycle will just keep coming back.

http://www.iacenter.org/becker.htm

Slovak

A ti Lox vobshe molchi. Tvoa nacia polna prostitytok, vas yzje vse otimeli yebishe. U nado bydet otimeem eshe raz. Tak shto ti baklan mozjesh sidet u plakat' tyt na shet miliardov kotorie mi vam dolzjni (pravdo s kakova xya ya ne znau). No pomni shto esli zaxotim to otimeem vas snova, vopros vremeni.

Balalika

Che mydachek priperse opet'. Slish eto mi ne teba obmenali na meshok risa v Kitai? Vse mozjet bit'.
Ti syka xyili ne vishel vchera na raboty bleadina? Tvoe mesto na tverskoi shalava ne kogda ne zabivai etova. vibledok ti znaesh nas ezik potomy shto mi tak zaxoteli, shtob ti baklan sidel u slyshal kak mi teba obseraem, u molchal.

2 Svoloch,

Would you please translate your russian crap, so that everybody could judge how filthy is your mind.

All of the sudden parasha is so sensitive!.. :o)
It's tersonally to you parasha, so there's no need for translation.

Don't you Slavs have any shame about what you and
your generals are doing? Read the following!

(JIHAD IS ABOUT STOPPING SUCH ABUSES BY THE
PEOPLE IN POWER, AND ABOUT STOPPING OPPRESSION.)

The following from the Moscow Times
Saturday, January 15, 2000

Chechen Villages: We Bribe Generals

By Yevgenia Borisova
Staff Writer

In the Chechen village of Kater-Yurt, locals say they paid a top Russian military official about 150,000 rubles ($5,555) and a big-screen television as a bribe to spare their homes from shelling and looting. In another village, Kulary, locals say they offered up tribute of basic foodstuffs, including sugar, meat and flour. And in Achkhoi-Martan, locals say bombs rained down on their homes until someone passed the hat around the community and gathered an unspecified amount for a bribe - and once it was paid, the shelling stopped.

These are the stories heard in interviews across the federally controlled northern Chechen steppes. In several villages visited by The Moscow Times in late December, ordinary people cowed and subdued by three months of war said their communities were
spared only because they agreed to pay "ransoms" to top-ranking Russian military officials.

Many of the villagers interviewed named specific generals and officers who solicited such tribute - though all of those making such allegations would only do so anonymously, saying they feared
reprisals.

Tales of Russian officers sparing Chechen villages in return for bribes have also been heard by other observers of the war,including Human Rights Watch, a New York-based organization that has conducted extensive interviews among Chechen civilians in refugee camps.

"We have a lot of second-hand information about the paying of such ransoms, but no evidence, which is hard to get," Alexander Petrov, a Human Rights Watch researcher, said. "We have also heard, again without any evidence, that when federal troops tell Chechens to put down their weapons, and the villagers reply that they don't have any, the army insists that they buy some - and then surrender them as if they were from combatants."

Asked whether officers in federally controlled Chechnya could be accepting bribes from entire communities, the Defense Ministry was curt. "There are no confirmed facts of bribery or ransoms in Chechnya," a duty officer in the ministry's press center said. "There is no use in talking about this."

'A Commercial War'

Chechens say otherwise. In interviews, they derided the three-month-old Russian "anti-terrorist operation" as "a commercial war" - an opportunity for Russia's men in uniform to enrich themselves personally.

As evidence they point to the long lines of Russian servicemen outside of currency exchange offices in Nazran, the Ingush capital, where officers can be seen changing large ruble sums into more portable dollars.

They also point to looting, which has been documented by Western and Russian news media and human rights groups. It is an element of both Chechen wars that has seen top brass implicated in shipping furniture, household goods and other spoils out of civilian areas on military transport, to be sold elsewhere, and the profits pocketed. One market that Chechens say sees many such looted goods, in Assinovskaya, has been dubbed "the soldiers' market."

And they point to the prevalent practice of bribery at checkpoints - where the Russian military controls access to areas in Chechnya. Getting quickly past a checkpoint can cost roughly from 100 to 1,000 rubles, depending on the soldiers being dealt with, the look of the person paying the bribe and the length of the line at the border. A young Chechen man driving a Mercedes through a checkpoint will pay top ruble; a busload of refugees might pay 500 rubles to expedite passage.

"I was leaving Grozny via the northern safety corridor, and Russians detained one young fellow there," Malika Khusainova, 38, recounted in an account that was typical of dozens heard by The Moscow Times in Chechnya. "They took off his clothes up to his waist and started to shout at him that he had simply shaved off his beard [beards being worn by the opposition Chechen fighters]. His sister gave them $200 [to leave him alone], we all saw it."

Another account of the brisk business in checkpoint bribes was offered in the Dec. 23 edition of Novaya Gazeta, where journalist Rustam Kaliyev recounted being soaked for 1,000 rubles.

But Yevgeny Ryabtsev, head of the press center for the Interior Ministry troops, said Kaliyev's report was the only such allegation the Russian authorities are aware of. "This [Novaya Gazeta] publication is already under the control of our ministry. But until now, we have had no appeals from people regarding bribes extorted from them. We would have already started investigating such cases [if they had been reported]."

Tarkhan, 50, from Kater-Yurt, replies with a rhetorical question. "Appeals? Who would appeal in Chechnya?" he asked. "It is not acceptable among Chechens, it is a norm of life here. Everything is sold and bought here."

Cooperation, or a Shake-Down?

When Russian forces approach a village, the top officers and the village leaders routinely meet - to share information and grievances, and to explore whether they are willing to work together. And if Chechen elders were to offer up "gifts" - ranging from foodstuffs to cash - as marks of respect, it would not be surprising.

But Chechen villagers allege more. In their ground-level view, the Russian campaign is explicitly a protection racket.

"Federals come and start firing toward the edges of a village, causing panic," one resident of Achkhoi-Martan, who did not want to be named, said. "They know that someone will come out and will beg for mercy for the village, and it will be possible to make a deal. Normally the terms include us kicking out rebels - if there are
any - and bringing the federals money, food and other valuables.In exchange, the commander promises not to fire."

In Kater-Yurt, residents say that after about 20 civilians were killed by airstrikes and artillery fire, they approached the Russians. One local man, Zelimkhan, 30, said they paid 150,000 rubles anda big-screen television, but another villager interviewed, Khamzat,33, put it at 200,000 rubles.

"We did not have looting in our village at all only because of that [offering]," Zelimkhan said.

Or perhaps the troops entering Kater-Yurt were simply well-disciplined. In any case, in Kater-Yurt locals and federal forces work together to keep order in and the rebels out. The village has its own locally raised militia, which is armed and goes on patrols jointly with the Russians. At night the local men can be seen warming their hands at the same campfire with federal troops, and even standing guard alone while Russian troops sleep.

Elsewhere such cooperation has been less successful. The village of Gekhi, for example, is in ruins. "Last war we paid a ransom. There were businessmen and they put their money together. Now we were not even asked for the ransom, we obviously couldn't pay it and the village was
destroyed," explained Akhmed, 41, from Gekhi.

Alkhat, 48, from Alkhazurovo, said that his village was heavily bombed in the first week of December, then occupied by federal forces hungry for a ransom; interviewed last month, he said the
villagers were in the process of raising the money. "We have just had a lot of refugees here in our village and our resources are exhausted. I had 57 people here living in my home when they had to flee Tengi-Chu and Martan-Chu overnight," he said. "Most likely we will go and buy food cheaply in Urus-Martan, sell it here for a markup and pay the ransom [from the profits]."

Sharip Asuyev was a correspondent for Itar-Tass, the official Russian government news agency, during the 1994-96 Chechen war. He said that the first time around, villages routinely paid "ransoms" or tribute to the army so as not to be shelled.

"The size of the ransom was discussed at the village meeting. Crates of alcohol were then offered to federal forces, and money, and sheep. Money was collected from the villagers. However, I
have never been sure that all the money that was gathered this way was paid to the army - some of what was collected might have been stolen [by some of the more unscrupulous village leaders]."

Another old Chechnya hand, Vyacheslav Izmailov - a retired Russian army major who has brokered the release of scores of kidnap victims and war prisoners from the Caucasus republic - also says the tribute-paying practice was common during the first war.

"In Shali, even high-ranking pro-Russian police officers told me that the people collected money to pay tributes [in 1994-96]. And people who appealed to me for help [in organizing POW exchanges] told me about this, as did members of the electoral commission during the [1996] presidential elections in Chechnya. ... But it is de facto a bribe and it is hard to prove."

Kharon, who fled Shali on the eve of the first war and now lives in the Stavropol region, said relatives who remained behind recounted paying tribute on three occasions to the entourage of a
top Russian general.

"My relatives and even pensioners all paid at least a 100 rubles each. Overall about 1 billion rubles [or 1 million re-denominated rubles, then about $200,000] were paid," he said, adding, "This
time I haven't heard anything of this sort from Shali."

Ha!
Dear Igor!

I just came back to see if somebody's there.
OK!...
So you realy want to nuke them all. Your reasons are valid but ...
Nuclear device on Grozny even small is useless because of civilians and also because, as I can see the town will be freed verry soon.
And those in the mountains are just closer to heaven.

For terrorist bases in Afganistan and Pakistan, it's different. Militarily speaking it could be a good idea. The easy way.
The problem is the reaction of the world after that.
The nuclear power is a sacred do-not-touch weapon.
The first to use it (afterWW2) will be the evil of the entire humanity.
The "bomb" is to much a worldwide symbol of ultimate barbary that it will be seen as an agression to the whole world.
Poeple will forget WHY you did it they will only remembre that YOU did it and will bannish russia for ever.
It's taken for granted that the one who launche the first nukehead will triger the cataclysmic nuclear WW3 and the destruction of the planet.

I supose you know that.

So take your jets or your scuds and do what you want but don't touch the nuclear.

Also, Stop this bikker anti-west crap, ally with USA and Europe in the job and it will be fine.

"Yes i'm gonna say the same.
Ultra Russian Nationalist
I can see that a communist like you can't stand the presence of an anticommunist like me. It's natural...
Please, Cooooooooooool man! And have a good day!"

FredDeLingue, you are the one screaming here, please coooooool man! You are the one who has a hard time adjusting to the fact that i am here.
And you are a weak bastard for talking about me behind my back.

"but it is too bad that our ultranacionalist went to a country, which is full of capitalists. i don't see the point. probably he's the one, who wants to lick us asses. why would he then leave his great country? maybe even he doesn't know. let's wait for what he has to say."

Stupid moron Slovak, do you know where i am right now? No? And if i was in states, i would be taking all this money and sending back home. Helps us pay the soldiers in Chechnya that way. But you are really a cum dumpster since you keep talking •••• about me after i left. Reallly weak.

Shame!
Yes!yes,yes...Don't wory we have all red this story long before you.
Of course nobody is proud. War is war.

No use to post it in its full version and waste space. Please next time summarise.

________________

"Jihad is about stopping such abuse by the poeple in power"
Are you sure?

I would rather say "Jihad is about sHopping such abuse"

SHAME is the short form for SHAMIL, isn't it?

___________________

PS to Igor: Is it enough to pay my debt toward Ultra Russian Nationalist?

2 FredLeDingue,

>>> So you realy want to nuke them all.

I russia nukes chechnya, it is quite likely that russians again miss their target, and hit instead their own troups (as they were doing many times, but only with bombs). As a devoted russian fan, i strongly agains any further delibitating effects on russians due to resulting radiations - after all, russians already reached their degradations limits, and reaching any further is not necessary.

FredDELingue, Ally with US and Europe? Bullshitt! You are the one who should be bowing down. After all, French are known for how they give head.

Ultra Russian Nationalist
"you are a weak bastard for talking about me behind my back."

You know this time I realy had a laugh!
How could I talk about you behind your back when you can read all messages!
Secondly I had no intention to do so even at home!

Why do take negatively ,as an attack
everything I post.

TAKE IT EASY!

PS: If you let me go for a few minutes I will check this link Igor posted above...

Benoit Baldwin
The Soviet Union of old could afford the luxury of no-first-strike policy because their conventional forces were stronger than the NATO's. Now that their Army is underpaid, underfed and underclothed, and their perimeter has shrunk to pre-Peter the Great boundary, they are naturally abandoning it.

Sorry for all of my messages. I do not know what I am saying.I must be some sort of idiot.