Russia's Itar-Tass news agency said on Wednesday Chechen rebel commanders were holding talks in Moscow with the Russian government under the mediation of a pro-Moscow Chechen body
reuters......

CHECHEN FIELD COMMANDERS ARE IN MOSCOW!!!

ÃËÀÂÀ ÃÎÑÑÎÂÅÒÀ ×Å×ÍÈ ÏÐÎÂÎÄÈÒ Â ÌÎÑÊÂÅ ÏÅÐÅÃÎÂÎÐÛ Ñ ÐßÄÎÌ
×Å×ÅÍÑÊÈÕ ÏÎËÅÂÛÕ ÊÎÌÀÍÄÈÐÎÂ

Ìîñêâà. 19 ÿíâàðÿ. ÈÍÒÅÐÔÀÊÑ - Ãëàâà Ãîññîâåòà ×å÷íè Ìàëèê
Ñàéäóëàåâ ïðîâîäèò â Ìîñêâå ïåðåãîâîðû ñ ðÿäîì âëèÿòåëüíûõ ÷å÷åíñêèõ êîìàíäèðîâ, êîòîðûå íå ïðèíèìàëè ó÷àñòèÿ â áîåâûõ
äåéñòâèÿõ è ãîòîâû âûñòóïèòü íà ñòîðîíå ôåäåðàëüíûõ ñèë.


OBO STURME GROZNAGO ....

Ãëàâà Ãîññîâåòà âåñüìà ñêåïòè÷åñêè îöåíèâàåò ïåðñïåêòèâó
âçÿòèÿ Ãðîçíîãî ïîä êîíòðîëü ôåäåðàëüíûìè ñèëàìè "â òå÷åíèå äâóõ-
òðåõ áëèæàéøèõ äíåé". "Ãîðîä ìîæíî áóäåò âçÿòü òîëüêî òîãäà,
êîãäà ñàìè áîåâèêè ïîêèíóò åãî, ðåøèâ ñäàòü âîåííûì", - óáåæäåí
Ì.Ñàéäóëëàåâ. Ïðè ýòîì îí äîáàâèë, ÷òî "äî âçÿòèÿ Ãðîçíîãî åùå
î÷åíü äàëåêî".
Ãëàâà Ãîññîâåòà òàêæå âûðàæàåò ñîìíåíèå îòíîñèòåëüíî
çàÿâëåíèé âîåííûõ î ïðîâåäåíèè óñïåøíûõ îïåðàöèé íà òåððèòîðèè
×å÷íè, â òîì ÷èñëå â Ãðîçíîì. "Íà ñàìîì äåëå ñèòóàöèÿ òàì äàëåêà
îò òîé, êîòîðóþ ïðåïîäíîñÿò â ñâîèõ ðàïîðòàõ âîåííûå. ß ñ÷èòàþ,
÷òî Âëàäèìèðó Ïóòèíó ñòîèò ïåðåïðîâåðÿòü ýòè äîêëàäû, ïîñêîëüêó íà 70% îíè íå ñîîòâåòñòâóþò äåéñòâèòåëüíîìó ïîëîæåíèþ â ×å÷íå", -
ïîëàãàåò Ì.Ñàéäóëàåâ.

i am rare guest here and I have to admit that
the board is degrading ...
At least when it started people came here and
expressed more or less their view of events in
Chechnya. Now there are some categories of people.
Moslems: Islam rules, all other religions suck.
Weak position. They know nothing about orthodox
christianity and the history. Russian people have
no faith that's why they (Moslems)will win. I wanted to go to the church today since it's a christian holiday today and couldn't even approach
to the church cause of huge crowd. Think it over.

Americans: US rules, Russians are beggar nation.
If you met people who was raised w/o the parents
you could find the same attempt to look better than they are, attempt to prove that they are
like all the others. I dont condemn that it's
natural. The same happens to US. They want to prove that they,mob of people who could not find yourself on historic motherland, are not worse than other nations. That's their right.

Russians: I am a Russian and agree with most Russians coming here except too aggressive ones.

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So I guess most of people coming here come just
to say smth with absolutely no background.
Most of them saw neither Russians nor Chechens in
their life but they express their wise opinion or
give the references to the articles of the same
experts of Russia on CNN,BBC etc.
I wish most of coming here had seen the TV
program by Vladimir Pozner on Russian TV. It was
a meeting of Western journalists working in Russia
and knowing the Russian problems and Russian people. If anyone had seen the program this board
could be closed cause there is nothing to talk about.
thanx.

By osyx ( - 194.226.120.142) on Wednesday, January 19, 2000 - 09:50 am

They know nothing about orthodox
christianity and the history.

"God sacrificed his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their own sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but is an obcene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect out imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us."

2 osyx,


>>> I am a Russian and agree with most Russians coming here except too aggressive ones.

TAK TY RUSSKIJ ILI VSYO TAKI BELORUS?

Peace loving Muslims? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Asia_China/2000-01/lombok190100.shtml

2 IGOR

NA FIG NAM ETOT TVOI LOBOK (OOPS, LOMBOK) ZDALSYA!!!

By igor ( - 206.47.244.62) on Wednesday, January 19, 2000 - 10:12 am:>>>>


On 15 July 1099 Jerusalem fell to the Crusaders after a five week siege and the victors proceeded to massacre the city's Muslims and Jews.


peace loving christians

OK
The timing game started again. the russian chickens said they will be controlling grozny in one week..... let's see.

who goes for two..... any?
who goes for three.....????

what a fvcking shame on the 150,000 russians pigs and supporters. why dont you burry yourselves from the shame that you have????

All right. This board is really degrading. You, guys, are not sticking to the questions which are asked on the top of this page. And I want to tell few things to the russian guy osyx. I know russian people and russian problems. I think it would be better for russia if it would mind its own business and let go those nations that are tired of its imperialism. The time of colonialism is over and it is time to accept it. There is no way back. The Empire has collapsed. I do not see Chechnya as a part of russia especially after what it has done to that little nation. I hate western patience with russia. Well, I know russia has bombs. So West is scared. But the little country is fighting and I'm proud of them.

The Taliban can sometimes crack nice jokes...


 Êàáóëå îòêðûâàåòñÿ ÷å÷åíñêîå ïîñîëüñòâî NEW

Ïî èíôîðìàöèè ïîñòóïèâøåé èç Êàíäàãàðà, Çåëèìõàí ßíäàðáèåâ íàìåðåí â áëèæàéøåå âðåìÿ îòïðàâèòüñÿ â Êàáóë, äëÿ îôèöèàëüíîãî îòêðûòèÿ ÷å÷åíñêîãî ïîñîëüñòâà â Àôãàíèñòàíå.

Ìîâëàäè Óäóãîâ ñîîáùèë íàøåìó êîððåñïîíäåíòó î òîì, ÷òî àôãàíñêîå ïðàâèòåëüñòâî ïðåäëîæèëî ÷å÷åíñêîé ñòîðîíå çàíÿòü çäàíèå áûâøåãî ïîñîëüñòâà ÑÑÑÐ.

By Amrina ( - 195.12.170.65) on Wednesday, January 19, 2000 - 10:43 am:

THATS RIGHT YOU TELL EM!!! WELL SAID.

New russian trouble, again ....

Àãðåññîðû íåñóò òÿæåëåéøèå ïîòåðè. Áîè çà ãîðîä Äæîõàð ïðîäîëæàþòñÿ. Î÷åðåäíîé øòóðì çàõëåáûâàåòñÿ NEW

Ïîñëå äâóõíåäåëüíîãî íîâîãîäíåãî îòäûõà, íà ýêðàíàõ ðîññèéñêèõ òåëåêàíàëîâ âíîâü ïîÿâèëñÿ ñèäåëåö Ëåôîðòîâî – Ãàíòàìèðîâ. Îí è åãî âèðòóàëüíàÿ áàíäà, êîòîðàÿ “âîþåò â Ãðîçíîì”, ñòàëè ãâîçäåì íîâîñòíûõ ïðîãðàìì. Ñîîáùàåòñÿ, ÷òî ÷å÷åíñêàÿ ñòîëèöà áóäåò çàõâà÷åíà â òå÷åíèå 2-õ äíåé.

Îäíàêî, óæå òðîå ñóòîê ñêîïèùà ðîññèéñêèõ àãðåññîðîâ îò÷àÿííî ïûòàþòñÿ çàêðåïèòüñÿ õîòü â êàêîì-òî ðàéîíå ãîðîäà, ÷òî áû ïîêàçàòü êàðòèíêè ðîññèéñêèì òåëåçðèòåëÿì è óêðåïèòü øàíñû Ïóòèíà ñòàòü çàêîííûì ãëàâàðåì êðåìëåâñêîé áàíäû. Ïîäåëüíèêè Ãàíòàìèðîâà, ðóññêèå ãåíåðàëû-óãîëîâíèêè, ïðîäîëæàþò ñ îñòåðâåíåíèåì âðàòü, ñîîáùàÿ îá óñïåõàõ ñâîèõ áàíä.

Ñèòóàöèÿ, òåì âðåìåíåì, âûãëÿäèò ñîâåðøåííî èíà÷å. ×å÷åíñêèå ìîäæàõåäû, êàê âñåãäà ïðîïóñêàþò ðîññèéñêèå áàíäôîðìèðîâàíèÿ â ãîðîä, çàòåì îêðóæàþò èõ è óíè÷òîæàþò. Òàê ïðîèçîøëî â ïîñåëêå Ìè÷óðèíà, â ìèêðîðàéîíå, â ×åðíîðå÷üå, â ðàéîíå ðåñïóáëèêàíñêîé áîëüíèöû è 15–ãî âîåííîãî ãîðîäêà. Ïåðåäîâûå îòðÿäû àãðåññîðîâ, êîòîðûå ïðè ïîääåðæêè òàíêîâ è ÁÌÏ ïðîáèâàëèñü ê öåíòðó ãîðîäà, ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå ðàçãðîìëåíû.

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Fire is red and horses are white,
Horror of chase and stars of the night,
Figures with guns, bullets and fate-
Who gives to whom the right to mandate?
Sabers go up and go down again,
Falling and falling are shadows of men.
The Reds and the Whites* mix in the glare,
Both become dark, just horses stay fair.
Bullets to bite, blood drops to spill-
Who can confirm which way is ideal?
Future will prove who was right who was wrong,
After the night comes the music of dawn.
Look- through the greens, through blood and through flesh
Towards the horizon white stallions dash...
Anton Balakin was killed in action in Afghanistan in 1988 at the age of 19.