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L'menexe is a squirt of a little man. He NEVER disagrees with anything that his fanatical jewish girlfriend says! He's like a big baby, so needy, so clingling, terrified of upsetting her. If she were to say "jump" to L'menexe, like an obedient slave L'menexe would reply "How High?"

* I take it you have an encyclopedia in He-brew?
I take it, Conrad doesn't have either.
Another idiotic shot, conrad^tm
And explaining to Conrad what the word "zionism" means, - is a waste of time.

* ... without a bone of humanity
A nice cover from a person, that boasted drinking to each "humanitarian" cargo piece, called a bomb, dropped on Belgrade.

* as always you seek to deny her a right to an opinion and to defend herself against you CREEPS.
misogynistic anti-semitism in action!
And I concur.

* and build illegal settlements ...
Conrad^tm is seriously misled, sorry, informed (by BBC, maybe. LOL.). Under the Israeli law settlements are not illegal.

* and terrorize Palestinians.
Yeah, so much, that they used to provide Pal Arabs with jobs.
There was a sad court case some two years ago of a lady from Hebron. She had been driving her mom to a hospital, her kids had also been in that car. At the outskirts she had come under the rocks and Molotov cocktails, thrown at her car. She had stopped abruptly, pulled out her handgun and had shot one of the throwers. She was sentenced to prison.
That was a "good" case of a damn "political correctess", perpetrated since Oslo, that rocked the society, - the argument, that the females and kids could have been burned in their car was not that relevant. And, most sure, it boosted the PA mafia "morale".
There will be normal times, when a spade is called a spade.

* If you received BBC ...
Yeah, the "great source" of "objective reporting", no different from CNN now. Put "Amanpour" on an Anderson report - noone would notice any difference.

FAKE AMERICAN POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN GROSS PIG
FARIS HOMOUD:
==
yeah, CREEP, try and _make_ me shut up, pince
cabron!
=
as always, you are WRONG about informer, the other
FAKE. we were never 'pals', you're WRONG about my
age and everything else. blah blah blah etc.

but yeah, ripping off 'of mice and men' was all
your idea...CREEP.
==
BACON:

maybe i have _agreed_ w/what Kisako says, assh*le.

and maybe she and i have an understanding that
would elude a misogynistic anti-semite such as
yourself. not to mention your retarded side-kick.

i asked you for an example of alleged "hate-filled
zionist blah blah...just one"
however it was you phrased it....
and you failed to deliver, huh BACON?
[expletive] CREEP =
'come correct or dont come', as the saying goes.

i know, having no female acquaintances of any
sort, it can be hard on a man.
and your poor secretary, who has made you a JOKE
in your office, doesnt count.
===
just between toi et moi, k-san

{+1sk}

The making of a terrorist state
By Gerald M. Steinberg
(January 5) - The myths of Middle East peacemaking have finally unraveled, exposing the illusion that the creation of a Palestinian state would bring peace and stability. Such a state, it was widely assumed, would become a "normal" country, and live in stability and peace with its neighbors, including Israel.
This seemed logical, based on the assumption that if the Palestinians win respect and a seat at the table of nations, they would not risk these accomplishments by continued terrorism and violence.
According to this script, a Palestinian state would also develop a "normal" policy of economic development, and the energies used for war would be transferred to productive and cooperative ventures. Industrial parks and joint ventures between Israelis and Palestinians would create jobs and mutual dependencies that would overcome the generations of hatred. Palestine would become the Hong Kong of the Middle East, and the first Arab democracy. [Some would laugh, but Iran is a democracy too.-D.]
This naive approach was behind Jimmy Carter's concept of peacemaking (based on the Brookings Commission report published shortly before his election), and the European Union's Venice declaration of 1980. The Bush-Baker-Clinton teams adopted this model, and then Israeli politicians, led by Shimon Peres and Yossi Beilin, created the Oslo process, with fantasies of a "New Middle East."
Seven years after this experiment began with the creation of the Palestinian Authority, under Yasser Arafat's control, the outcome is absolutely clear. Instead of cooperation and stability, Israeli concessions and the transfer of territory have produced greater terrorism and violence. Palestinian schools (with texts financed by the European Union) and official media have paved the way, providing a steady flow of shrill hatred and incitement to would-be martyrs eager to earn their way to paradise by killing Jews.
Billions of dollars in foreign assistance to the Palestinians have disappeared into secret bank accounts and villas for the elite members of the "kleptocracy." Instead of serving as models of cooperation and conciliation, the industrial parks and joint enterprises built along the borders between Palestinian and Israeli territory were destroyed by the Palestinians in their war against Israel and the West. The Palestinians were not ready for functionalist economic development.
The Palestinian army (originally disguised as an innocent gendarmerie for keeping public order, and trained by the CIA and its European counterparts [and armed by Israel.]) has joined with Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah and other militias in terrorist attacks in Israeli cities and roads.
Instead of bringing peace, the Oslo process served as a vehicle for expanding violence, and up until the last minute, Arafat and the Palestinian leadership had expected to acquire additional territory in the "interim process." Ehud Barak's initial insistence on resolving the permanent-status issues (Jerusalem, boundaries, refugee claims, etc.) before relinquishing more land forced Arafat to play his hand early, but not before considerable damage had been done.
In this context, the charade of talks and summits on creative ways to divide Jerusalem, flooding Israel with Palestinians who claim a "right of return," or a return to the porous boundaries of the 1948 have run their course.
Rather, the essential issue now is to prevent the creation of another terrorist state. Although the major mistakes of the Oslo process cannot be reversed, it is still possible to limit the damage before Palestine joins Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan.
Indeed, around the world, some supporters of Palestinian sovereignty are beginning to reexamine their premises and conceptions, as well as their own national interests in preventing increased terrorism. In the US, the incoming Bush administration has the opportunity to reverse course, and to work with Europe, Canada, Australia, and the other democracies in developing alternatives.
At the same time, it is the responsibility of the Israeli government to protect its citizens from terrorism, regardless of the political status of the Palestinian-controlled territories.
A unilateral separation remains an essential element, wherever possible. This means closing isolated settlements with no strategic or historic importance, while concentrating resources on protecting key assets. Within these parameters, areas of Palestinian contiguity should be created, limiting checkpoints and contact with Israeli soldiers. No separation plan is going to be absolute, but the friction and points of contact can be minimized, thereby reducing the opportunities for terrorist attacks.
Gradually, a "normal" Palestinian society may still evolve, and once terrorism is no longer endemic, the scope of autonomy can be extended. In this context, Jordan might be persuaded to return to its historic role an intermediary between the Palestinians and Israel.
Old myths die hard, but the mask of Palestinian victimization has finally been blown apart and the face of terror has been revealed again. Until the Palestinians demonstrate that they are capable of fulfilling basic responsibilities, they are not entitled to the privileges of sovereignty.

Public death for 'collaborators'

Special report: Israel and the Middle East

Suzanne Goldenberg in Beit Sahou
Monday January 15, 2001
The Guardian

A Palestinian youth of 18 described by his father as "simple-minded" may be publicly executed by firing squad in Bethlehem within the next few
days after a short military trial convicted him of collaborating with Israel.

At his two-hour televised trial on Saturday, Hussameddin Moussa Hmeid Eslini, 18, was said to have been paid £200 dollars (about £130) to
photograph and record the movements of a local commander of Yasser Arafat's Fatah militias, Hussein Abayat, who was assassinated by Israel
on November 9.

There is no appeal, though Mr Arafat can commute the sentence, and in the family home near Bethlehem the condemned man's mother went
into premature mourning yesterday.

His father, Moussa, also wept, shaking his head in disbelief that his barely literate son could be capable of treason.

"He is too simple-minded. I can't believe any of this about him. If they can do this to Hussam, what about my youngest son?" he said, clutching
the 10-year-old to his side.

Eslini was one of two men condemned to die on Saturday - two others were given life terms - and he could go before a firing squad within
days, the Fatah leader in Bethlehem district, Kamal Hmeid, said. He has asked Mr Arafat to approve a public execution, possibly near Manger
Square.

"It is useful for the Palestinian people to see what happens to big criminals who are responsible for the killing of a big leader," he said.

Eslini, an unemployed building worker with a bad stammer who can barely write his own name, was given a swift trial.

His lawyer had 30 minutes to prepare a defence and uttered one sentence, asking for a delay. There was a single witness, the prison doctor,
who testified that he was treated well in captivity.

Eslini stammered a few words about his innocence.

Abayat was the first to die in what the Israeli government has since admitted was a policy of systematically liquidating Palestinian leaders.

Its hit squads rely on thousands of informers.

"A whole network of eyes is following everyone," Mr Hmeid said. Two of the men sentenced on Saturday were said to have plotted his
assassination.

The Palestinians began executing suspected collaborators on Saturday when two men were shot dead, one in front of a crowd of cheering
spectators in the West Bank city of Nablus. Up to 40 others are believed to be held in the Bethlehem area alone.

Critics say the executions are meant to distract attention from Mr Arafat's efforts to step back from the 16 weeks of unrest, which many in Fatah
see as a betrayal. They are also angry about the talks with Israeli officials to plan negotiations after Bill Clinton leaves the White House next
week.

"No doubt Mr Arafat is cooking a deal on security arrangements with the Israelis and he does not want people to make demonstrations," said
Bassem Eid, a Palestinian human rights campaigner.

"So ... he has found some big issue which is the talk of the street: the Israeli assassinations and now the executions."

Palestinian militias summarily executed hundreds of collaborators during the first intifada, and Mr Eid believes at least five men have been killed
without trial since November.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2001

Palestinian TV chief murdered

Tel Aviv throws doubt on claims that Israeli collaborators shot dead Arafat protege

Special report: Israel and the Middle East

Suzanne Goldenberg in Bethlehem
Thursday January 18, 2001
The Guardian

The head of the official Palestinian television network was shot dead in a seafront restaurant in Gaza yesterday, an audacious daylight killing
which the network blamed on collaborators with Israel.

There was no independent confirmation of the official Palestinian claim that Hisham Mikki, 54, was felled by the "bullets of treason and
betrayal", fired by two masked men using pistols equipped with silencers.

But the speed with which the official media accused Israel, and those who serve its interests, is telling of the atmosphere of suspicion that has
engulfed the Palestinian areas in the wake of the officially sanctioned Israeli policy of assassinating their key leaders.

Israel said yesterday that the army and intelligence services had no hand in Mikki's death. Officials in Gaza said privately that the television
chief, a protege of the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, could have been killed because of political or personal grudges.

Mikki's driver, who also served as a bodyguard, was detained for questioning.

The Israeli government has repeatedly accused the official Palestinian media of "inciting" violent protests in the West Bank and Gaza. But the
style of yesterday's killing, and the target, were very different from the assassinations Israel has carried out on commanders of Mr Arafat's
Fatah militias.

Mikki was killed at a time when the West Bank and Gaza are in the throes of a hunt for suspected collaborators, as the Palestinian Authority
and vigilante squads turn on the enemy within.

Its war on collaborators opened on Saturday when two men wereshot by firing squad and four others were convicted of treason at short
military trials. Unofficially, it began in November, when vigilantes executed their first suspected collaborator.

Since the weekend, the Palestinian police have arrested more than 100 West Bank men suspected of providing information to Israel on the
movements of Fatah leaders who are believed targets of assassination.

To the Palestinians, the assassinations are a terrifying reminder that although they no longer live under Israel's direct control they remain at its
mercy, and that even their nerve centre, the Fatah movement, is compromised by Israel's network of informers.

The arrests come despite an amnesty issued on Monday allowing collaborators to escape trial - and the prospect of execution by firing squad
- by turning themselves in and making full confessions.

The consequences of being accused of collaboration, or being related to a collaborator, are dire. In the Bethlehem area one man was held for
44 days after police traced phone calls he had made to Hussein Abayat, a Fatah commander killed by missiles fired from Israeli combat
helicopters.

Ibrahim Atiyat was tortured in detention. His nipples were torn off, and he was beaten so severely that he had to be treated in hospital three
times before his innocence was proved and he was released on January 6.

The families of collaborators are also vulnerable - which is why to date only a handful of collaborators have come out in the open to seek
amnesty.

Yesterday relatives of Majdi Mikkawi, who was executed in Gaza, took out a newspaper advertisement washing their hands of him. "We
announce that we no longer have any relationship with or responsibility for the above mentioned person," the advertisement read. "We also
condemn... the ugly deed that he committed."

The main force behind the hunt for collaborators is the Fatah militia, the very target of Israel's assassination campaign. "We are the ones that
start the investigation, and after that we hand the information to the authorities," said Abdullah Abu Hadid, who leads the militia in the
Bethlehem area.

He said his men were behind the vigilante killing of a collaborator in November, Kassam Khlef, the first of at least six men summarily executed.

Khlef was known to have worked with the Israelis during the first intifada, but Mr Hadid's men had no recent evidence against him. "He was
killed just to serve as an example to other collaborators that this is what can happen," Mr Hadid said.

The readiness of Fatah militias to dispense rough justice belies the pitiful circumstances which lead some Palestinians to treason. Palestinian
officials admit there are thousands in their ranks who provide low-grade intelligence to Israel. There is a list of 350 in the Bethlehem area
alone.

Many of the collaborators are barely out of their teens and poorly educated, coerced into providing information in return for Israeli work and
travel permits, or to escape criminal prosecution or blackmail for sexual improprieties.

Others turned traitor during the last intifada. Though the Palestinian authorities have compiled lists of informers of that era, peace agreements
prohibit their prosecution.

Some Palestinians believe that the amnesty and the threat of vigilante killings are being used to press collaborators to break their connections
with Israel.

"I think it is a message to the collaborators to lay down and do nothing," said Khalil Shikaki, a Palestinian analyst in Ramallah. "I do not think
the Palestinian Authority really expects people to give themselves up."

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2001

""""Conrad is seriously misled, sorry, informed (by BBC, maybe. LOL.). Under the Israeli law settlements are not illegal. """"

LMAO...

Only an aushwitz Baby boom generation could make a statement like that!!!

"""There will be normal times, when a spade is called a spade. """

And ur little sob story about Hebron is making us all teary eyed! lol... but it begs the question... what was that lady doing in Hebron - Hebron is in the West Bank - not in Israel - the West bank is conquered land? If she goes and lives in Israel maybe noone would attack her!
hummmm food for though.

Delusions - Aushwitz style.

Auschwitz, du Arsch!
Oy!

Testing

Thinking the unthinkable about Israel

Those who claim that Israel has no right to exist
are reactionaries

Special report: Israel and the Middle East

Colin Shindler
Guardian

http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4112696,00.html

A fair non-biased piece of writing from non-other than "Colin SHINDLER" .

Kim, Im sure everyone here is interested to know ur take on the Israeli/Palestinian subject. I've asked Lmx (lol) for his take - but as expected - nothing comes out...

* -Under the Israeli law settlements are not illegal. """"
Only an aushwitz Baby boom generation could make a statement like that!!!
Yep, dear, - not illegal. LOL.


* what was that lady doing in Hebron ...
Living there. LOL.

* Hebron is in the West Bank - not in Israel - the West bank is conquered land?
The Hebron Jewish community was always there, regardless of all arab "love" and religious "tolerance", before and before and before.
But, again, conquered land - where were Arabs after 67? As always, they kept busy washing and rinsing UN 242 instead of following it. And now the PA touts "occupation" and does nothing to have it peacefully. Arafat wants to be a Saladin, eh? LOL.

* If she goes and lives in Israel maybe noone would attack her!
Yeah, maybe ... a bomb here, a terrorist there ...

If you read the articles, you might have some idea, Allam. I don't have a vested interest in either side. Its another of those unsolvable conflicts with God and zealots on both sides.

not that I see Kisako as either!

A vested interest or not, you must have an opinion. You've posted 3 articles in a span of 24hrs on the topic - it would seem strange if u didn't have an opinion.

"""not that I see Kisako as either"""..

funny you felt u had to mention that! lol...

"""not that I see Kisako as either"""..

"funny you felt u had to mention that! lol..."

I don't attribute her with superhuman powers the way you do, her stance is perfectly understandable.

"A vested interest or not, you must have an opinion. You've posted 3 articles in a span of 24hrs on the topic - it would
seem strange if u didn't have an opinion."

Wouldn't it be strange if I didn't have an opinion??? So lets see, who do I think should be driven into the sea....Is that what you're asking me?

kim why the hostility? lol...

If u think one should be driven into the sea then it's an opinion. if u think Jerusalem should be divided then that's another opinion. If you think the PA is a bunch of no-good terrorist then that would be another opinion.

Ill im asking for is ur opinion on the subject - whatever it may be.