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(@treslavance)
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ATT: Captain A:

it was established many months ago that FARIS
HOMOUD (his real name) was a FAKE AMERICAN; he was
traced first to jordan but most recently, the UAE.

yeah, i once thought he was related to yank
military, but he's not. he's a FAKE, all the way
down the line.

for that matter, have you been comfortable with
his repeated references to 'auschwitz', jews in
ovens, etc.? is that an appropriate way for an
american to represent americans in the military
overseas?

but, see, FARIS HOMOUD is not NOW, nor has he EVER
BEEN american....
just a FAKE.


   
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(@delenne)
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* How about returning conquered territories back to their rightfull owners!
How about following UN 242 by yourselves? LOL.


   
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(@treslavance)
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ATT: CAPT. A.

all i can tell you is, he was traced twice on this
end.

if you would be correct, then i'd think the FAKE
risks being thrown out of the military if the
wrong person saw some of his DMS CRAP, yes?

yo,tell me whodafuk to complain to -_-

and mr. informer _encouages_ this from him?

==
and i've seen mail he wrote another DMS person
where his name, as stated, was "faris homoud".
==
dont think i'm buyin' it, just yet...


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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Fury as court frees settler who killed Palestinian boy

By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem

22 January 2001

A Jewish settler walked free from court yesterday after being sentenced to a mere six months' community service and a $17,000 fine for beating to death an 11-year-old Palestinian boy.

The astonishingly light sentence was greeted with fury by human rights activists, Palestinian organisations and Israeli left wingers, who said it was further proof of racism and glaring double standards within the Israeli judicial system.

The case comes at a difficult time for Israel, which is under fire for sweeping human rights abuses during the four-month intifada, but where there is also rising public anger over Palestinian violence – most recently, the killing of a 16-year-old Israeli boy lured to his death by a Palestinian woman he met on the internet.

It has added weight to complaints by civil rights activists that Israeli soldiers and settlers are treated leniently for crimes against Palestinians, while Arabs accused of harming Israelis receive severe treatment. Large numbers are held in jail for long spells – in some cases without charge or for minor public-order offences.

The ruling was the latest stage in a case that gained notoriety in 1999 when a Jerusalem District Court judge – the same one who issued yesterday's sentence – acquitted the settler. Her verdict was overturned last year by the Supreme Court, who found him guilty of second-degree manslaughter and sent the case back to the lower court for sentencing.

It began in October 1996 when Nahum Korman, a security officer from Hadar Beitar, a Jewish settlement built in contravention of international law on land near Bethlehem, chased a group of Palestinian boys whom he believed had been throwing stones at Israeli cars.

Among them was Hilmi Shousheh, 11. According to two eye-witnesses – the boy's cousins – Korman caught hold of Hilmi, kicked and pistol-whipped him and stomped on his neck as he lay on the ground. Within 24 hours, Hilmi had died in hospital of head wounds and a broken spine.

Korman's light sentence – which included a suspended 15-month prison term – was greeted with horror by the boy's father, who accused the court of issuing "a licence to kill".

Palestinian representatives and human rights activists on both sides were seething last night. "I can't believe this," said Hanan Ashrawi, a leading spokeswoman. "This is a deliberate distortion of a legal system and moral values."

Naomi Chazan, of Israel's left-wing Meretz party, said it "shows how little respect is shown for Palestinian life".

The sentence was handed down as Israel and the Palestinians were preparing for marathon talks in Egypt due to open last night. Ehud Barak, the Israeli Prime Minister, told Army Radio that the chances of bridging the gaps before the 6 February elections in Israel was "not great".

Also on the eve of the talks, a 15-year old Palestinian stone-thrower was shot dead by Israeli troops in the Gaza strip.


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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I hear the wheels a turnin,just wondering how is this possible(above).It is a bloody joke what that judge did.Isn't a society measured by it's quality and fairness of justice?


   
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(@treslavance)
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IGOR:

yeah...a 'bloody joke'.
=
but this is not a _full_ measurement.
=
and it's not _we_ who currently reside within
their shitstorm.

but i hope it'll make more sense later...

and y'know what? i bet we'll get more of that holy
war bullshite before we get anything resembling
'sense'.

{+1sk]


   
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(@rookie)
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Chorny sometimes you impress me...

""""just wondering how is this possible(above).It is a bloody joke what that judge did.Isn't a society measured by it's quality and fairness of justice? """"

Apparently this happens quiet often.

An interesting point:

""" a Jewish settlement built in contravention of international law on land near Bethlehem, """

You look at the history of the area and there is only ONE party that has consistently infringed on the rights of the others - and that is Israel - be
it creating a homeland in the middle of another nation in '48.
-starting a war in '67 and taking over Sanai, Golan heights, and West Bank - were Jerusalem & Bethlehem are located.
- building "settlements"
- denying Palestinians of electricity, water, food & all basic human necessities.
- using overwhelming force to stop rock throwers.
- assassination attempts in other independent nations.

and many, many more....

for 52 YEARS!!!


   
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(@alexandernevsky)
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All I am going to say on that matter is that that judge needs to be strung up by his balls,no ifs ands or buts.Absolutly inexcusable.


   
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(@rookie)
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/01/22/gaza.bomb.02/index.html

"""Israel has announced it has frozen contacts with an international commission, led by former U.S. Senator George Mitchell, investigating the wave of Israeli-Palestinian bloodshed. """

ofcourse they have!!! for how long can they continue to justify the killing of more than 360 Palestinians?


   
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(@delenne)
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Simcha Korman, Nachum's brother,
"I can't say that we don't feel that a heavy load has been lifted - he will be able to see his family, etc. But the media conveniently forget that he sat in prison for almost a year, and that he has a large fine to pay, which will cost him many years of work - all they say is that he got off easy. In addition, we know that he is innocent, but we will continue to scream and cry out against the injustice of the Supreme Court which convicted him without reading all the material and only based on the [worthless] assessments of [State Pathologist] Dr. Yehuda Hiss."
Justice Ruth Orr sentenced him to six months of public service and 70,000 shekels damages to the family.


   
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(@delenne)
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* It is a bloody joke what that judge did.
No, a misrepresentation of evidence on part of the pathologist.
BTH, CNN showed three released persons (all of them spent jail sentences, one - 10 years) and, (funny, eh?) all three are innocent. Mistakes happen.


* Isn't a society measured by it's quality and fairness of justice?
What a rhetoric-idealistic question.
This unemployed Lord Judd asks same concerning Russia.
Serbs ask same concerning the US and Canada.
Afro-americans (et al.) ask same concerning the US legal system and, especially, the way elections were held.
Etc. ... ... ... ... .


   
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(@delenne)
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* Apparently this happens quiet often.
Care to name a few?

* You look at the history of the area and there is only ONE party that has consistently infringed on the rights of the others
Quite to the contrary, but there are Jews conveniently nearby to blame.

* be it creating a homeland in the middle of another nation in '48.
Another sorry attempt to push the false "fact", hidden in the "righteous" hysteria. - There was no Palestinian nation around that time to talk of - there were Arab settlers from Syria, Jordan, Egypt.
Palestinian Arabs started identifying themselves as "nation" after 1967.
The creation of Israel in 1948 envisaged a "two states for two peoples" approach, but the Arabs didn't accept that that time and, so far, continue to pay for it and do little to have a state of their own peacefully.
The UN should, at least, thank Jews for being around and taking all the heat for the creation of Israel.


* starting a war in '67 and taking over Sanai, Golan heights, and West Bank
Dr. Goebbels must be A-rab's favourite, - pervert reality, repeat false statements, blah-blah.
What A-rab conveniently forgets is that:

On May 15 1967, Israel celebrated its 19th Day of Independence. [...] Tension on the border with Syria had risen incessantly, sabotage was being committed in Israel's territory by terrorists from across the lines, settlements were being shelled by Syrian guns, entrenched on the Golan Heights. The Soviet press waged a propaganda campaign against Israel, accusing it of aggressive designs against Syria.
During the Independence Day parade in Jerusalem, Israel's Government heard from the Chief of Staff the first news of large Egyptian troop movements, begun the previous day, in the direction of the Suez Canal and the Sinai peninsula. There was, at first, an inclination to believe that the movements were no more than a propagandistic show. [...] [Egypt] was still entangled in the Yemen war, with little success, and consequently suffered from loss of prestige. Its relations with some of its Arab sister-States had deteriorated, those with Saudi Arabia were near the breaking point, those with Tunisia and Morocco strained, Jordan was considered an enemy (in a speech on May 1 Nasser had called King Hussein an 'agent and slave of the imperialists'). Syria indicted Egypt as not living up to its obligations as an ally. The Israelis did not yet know that the Soviet Union was urging Egypt to take an active stand alongside Syria against what was described as an impending Israeli aggression against Syria. On May 13 a Soviet parliamentary delegation visited Cairo and informed the Egyptian leaders that Israel had concentrated eleven to thirteen brigades along the Syrian border in preparation for an assault within a few days, with the intention of overthrowing the [...] Syrian Government. Similar information may have been given to Egypt by the Soviets somewhat earlier. There was, of course, not a grain of truth in the story, as the Soviets knew very well. The Egyptians were in a position to know it, too, in view of the authoritative denial issued by Secretary-General U Thant a few days afterwards. Later, U Thant reported that UNTSO observers "have verified the absence of troop concentrations and absence of noteworthy military movements on both sides of the [Syrian] line". But Nasser probably understood the Soviet information as a hint that the Soviet Union was persuaded that timing and circumstances were propitious for an assault on Israel, and obviously felt obliged to abandon the cautious policy that he had till then pursued and assume the leadership of the Arab campaign.
[...] On May 16 Radio Cairo declared: "The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression we welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel." On that day, Egypt asked for the withdrawal of the UN Emergency Force from Sinai and the Gaza Strip. U Thant acquiesced on the night of May 18-19 in what many considered unwarranted haste. Israel asserted that his compliance ran contrary to an express undertaking by his predecessor in 1957. UNEF ceased its functions on May 19. On the same day, Israel decided on partial mobilization, but was still hopeful that a dangerous escalation could be averted by stepped-up diplomatic efforts. It was indicative of this state of mind that, also the same day, President Zalman Shazar flew to Canada for a long-planned State visit, and that on May 21 Finland's Premier, Kustun Passio, was welcomed on a State visit to Israel. At the opening of the summer session of the Knesset on May 22 Prime Minister Eshkol emphasized Syrian aggression and incitement and called for a lessening of tension and the preservation of peace.
In the meantime, unprecedented military escalation had taken place on the Egyptian border. By May 20 Nasser had massed over 80,000 men and about 900 tanks in Sinai, facing Israel. In the early morning hours of May 23 while U Thant was on his way to Cairo as a peace-maker, the world learned that Nasser had proclaimed the closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli and Israel-bound shipping some hours before. He was fully aware that Israel regarded the closure as an act of aggression justifying Israel's invocation of the right of self-defence. It was his declared aim to force Israel into action that would trigger off full-scale war. Speaking to Egyptian trade unionists on May 26, he declared: "The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel". With the UNEF departed, Egypt planned to resume fidayun operations from the Gaza Strip against and into Israel. After more than ten years of repose, Israel's villages in the vicinity of the Egyptian border had, once more, to suffer shelling and mines. War frenzy swept Egypt and almost the entire Arab world. Nasser was at the zenith of his popularity, the hero of battle who would lead the Arabs to victory. On May 29 he delivered a speech proclaiming that he would erase the Arab defeat of 1948. On May 30, King Hussein of Jordan visited Cairo unexpectedly, committed himself to take part in the war that loomed and placed his forces under an Egyptian commander, General Riad. Iraq followed suit. During a visit to Moscow, Egypt's War Minister was assured of Soviet support by Prime Minister Kosygin.
On May 24, the Security Council met, at the insistence of Canada and Denmark, to discuss the situation in the Middle East. The representatives of the Soviet Union and Bulgaria maintained that there was no reason for a discussion. After fruitless talks, the Council adjourned on June 3; it had reached no decision.
Foreign Minister Eban left Jerusalem on May 24 for Paris, London and Washington, to alert the Western leaders to the critical situation and seek of them action in accordance with their declarations ten years earlier, when Israel withdrew its forces from Sharm el-Sheikh and the Gaza Strip. In Paris, Eban found a completely changed situation. President de Gaulle suggested that the Big Four should work together for a de-escalation of the tension and decide on a solution to the questions of navigation through the Straits, the problem of the Arab refugees and the "conditions of proximity of the interested States". He urged that Israel should not be the first to open fire. Eban's protestations that Egypt had already started aggression were in vain. A statement in similar terms was issued on June 2 by the Council of Ministers of France, and, on the following day, by the French representative in the Sec. C.. It became apparent that France, which only three years earlier had hailed Israel as "friend and ally", had switched sides. On June 3, it imposed an arms embargo on the Middle East, but in reality only Israel was affected.
President Lyndon Johnson and Prime Minister Harold Wilson assured the Israeli Foreign Minister of their support for free passage through the Straits of Tiran and the Gulf of Aqaba, but added that they needed some time to enlist the participation of other States and to assure the necessary approval by Congress and Parliament. The Foreign Minister returned to Jerusalem on the evening of May 27. After a long and anxious session, the Government decided to give further chances to diplomatic efforts to prevent war. But, within a few more days, it was considered that there were no chances of resolving the crisis by international action. While a sympathetic but passive world watched Israel in its most perilous hour, Israel finished mobilization and prepared for the worst. [...] On June 4, the Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State.
The following morning, June 5, the IAF banged Arab air forces and airfields and destroyed 400 enemy aircraft in Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq, most of them on the ground. The Egyptian air force was virtually destroyed in a lightning action lasting less than three hours. At the same time, the IDF moved against the Egyptian columns massed in Sinai. The Southern Command, composed of three divisions, faced seven Egyptian divisions and about 1,000 Egyptian tanks. In four days of battle [...] Israel occupied the entire Sinai peninsula and the Gaza Strip, reached the eastern bank of the Suez Canal and opened the Straits of Tiran. On June 8, Egypt accepted a cease-fire and, that evening, fighting ceased in Sinai.
On the morning of June 5, Prime Minister Eshkol had, through the Chief of Staff of UNTSO, General Odd Bull, despatched a message to King Hussein of Jordan, urging him to refrain from joining the war. The message was not answered, but, in the late noon, Jordan opened fire along the entire armistice line with Israel, shelling Jerusalem with especial violence. At noon, Jordanian soldiers occupied the UN headquarters. In the afternoon, Israel counterattacked, and two days later, after swift fighting, had taken the Old City of Jerusalem and the entire West Bank. On the evening of June 7, Jordan accepted the cease-fire and fighting stopped.
Syria had taken part in the fighting with planes and artillery, continuously shelling Israeli villages near the border and attacking some of them with infantry and armour. At noon on June 9, the IDF, now freed from other fronts, attacked the Syrian army entrenched on the Golan Heights. In fierce righting during that and the following day, they stormed the Heights. At 1630 GMT, a cease-fire became effective on the Israel-Syrian front.
The Six-Day War was over. Israel's casualties amounted to 759 dead and about 3,000 wounded. Arab casualties came to about 15,000. Israel, delivered from the peril to its very existence, was now determined not to move from the new cease-fire lines until permanent peace was established.
The Security Council, inert and ineffectual during the emergency that preceded the war, had met each day of the fighting, its main concern to arrange a cease-fire. On June 13, the Soviet Union having broken off diplomatic relations with Israel three days previously, followed by Bulgaria, Poland, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Guinea, asked that a special emergency session of the General Assembly be convened. [...] The discussion in the Assembly [...] lasted for a month. On July 21, the session adjourned: the Assembly had decided nothing and referred the issue back to the Security Council. The Council, after long discussions, on November 22 unanimously adopted Resolution 242, which became the basis for future United Nations policymaking on the Middle East conflict.
The Arab States did not listen to Israel's call for peace. Encouraged by the Soviet Union, which embarked on the rebuilding of their shattered armies, they resolved, at a summit meeting in Khartoum between August 29 and September 1, upon a policy of three nays: no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel. Israel advocated direct negotiations between the parties, without prior conditions, aimed at the conclusion of binding peace agreements. Until peace was made, the IDF would be deployed on the new cease-fire lines, and the areas occupied in the Six-Day War would be administered by an Israeli Military Government. Jerusalem was reunified at the end of June, and the whole city was thus brought under Israeli law.


* building "settlements"
Under Israeli law settlements are not illegal. As to International Law, - A-rab, tying it in, sounds ridiculous after jeering Kosovo. LOL
BTH, it will be interesting to know from him about the exact stance of this Law on settlements.


* denying Palestinians of electricity, water, food & all basic human necessities.
A-rab BSnik definitely understands the importance of making "dramatic" statements to the World [LOL.], as there are enough fools without brains out there. Where the hell the Pal TV came from? Obviously, from the absence of electricity to power their transmitters. Why do Pal Arabs have TV-sets, videos? Why Jews were [not now, of course] buying Pal Arab grocery products, if there was no water to water them? ...
A typical A-rab BS.

* using overwhelming force to stop rock throwers.
Don't throw rocks.
A presumption, that IDF should die for the sake of keeping tab-keepers happy is stupid.

* assassination attempts in other independent nations.
Note the plural of "attempts".
I agree, it would have been better to use cruise missiles, like in Bin Laden's case.;o))


   
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(@treslavance)
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Konichiwa Kisako! 1222

i knew as soon as the FAKE referred to the '67
6-day war that you would set the record straight.
===
recently, in Boston, a female judge named Lopez
has inspired some outrage over alleged lenient
sentencing, inspiring calls for her unseating as a
judge....
===
ps> which part of "dont throw rocks" didnt you
understand, FARIS HOMOUD?


{+1sk}


   
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(@rookie)
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"""Note the plural of "attempts"."""

Yassin in Jordan,
and the waiter in Sweden u gimps mistook for a terrorist. lol...

Only Aushwitz style delusions can justify missiles aimed at protesters in retaliation for rocks.

""""No, a misrepresentation of evidence on part of the pathologist. """"

Duhhhh, OFcourse it was!!! lol...

""""Dr. Goebbels must be A-rab's favourite,"""

Lets leave your father out of this shall we!


   
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