My Dear GOOD FRIEND 43 YEAR OLD L'MENEXE,

I must say that you are begining to become a disappointment. I would of thought that you, coming from such a liberal state as Massachusetts, would, in your infinate wisdom, be the first to acknowledge and condem the many savage acts being perpetuated upon mere children by adult Israelies. In addition, there is no justification for your alluding to police actions at Kent State or police vs. blacks down south. There simply is no relationship. You, in reality, are applying logic ALA MARIE.

I am deeply concerned for you my GOOD FRIEND. Are false promises influencing your ability to focus clearly?

mr. informer.

as far as i'm concerned you have an odd way of being my "friend".

this is _provocation_...i'm not sure what else you want it to be.

no. i described some american historical precedent for imbalanced/unfair/unjust things that are taking place in israel. i question what you know about Jackson-Kent and 20th century lynching in america.

how f*cking dare you use a phrase like 'logic ala marie'.

this adults-killing-children accusation has been beaten into the ground. if i believed the accusations i would think differently. but the point here is less injustice than sneering anti-semitism; ask yourself why some of these younger kids are out there in the first place....the reasons include that they are taught in grade school to kill jews and destroy israel. more of that 'holy war' _bullsh*t._ -_-
you think i'm kidding.

and satchmo's idiot poetry to the contrary, it was established that the entrance and exit wounds on the poor kid, who in dying became a gut-wrenching tv star [BECAUSE HIS FATHER FAILED TO PROTECT HIM WHILE HE PROTECTED HIMSELF] came from PALESTINIAN WEAPONRY, NOT ISRAELI WEAPONRY.
did you hear that part? should i repeat it?
he=was=not=shot=by=israeli=guns.
so much for that idiot folk song....
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perhaps we both should recognize the severe ambiguity of this situation taking place THOUSANDS of miles away from us...one which dates back centuries.
f*ck no, i dont approve of kids getting shot.nor does Kisako.but i dont believe it is happening as you describe, as if it was _designed_ to be that way.
is it conceiveable? apparently.
is it defensible? of course not.
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but have you ever wondered why israeli kids are kept to the rear in such incidents and the palestinian kids are right the f*ck in FRONT? what are the parents of these kids thinking? quite often, much the same as what these kids are taught in school: that to die under these circumstances of conflict is a quick ticket to their idea of HEAVEN. if their parents hearts are broken later, well they could have tried to keep their children out of harm's way. did the FATHER of that one little boy try to protect his little boy or was he busy PROTECTING HIS OWN ASS?
i realize this is coarse. i dont even want to discuss it. it's not my world, nor is it YOUR world.
if you fault me for failing to demonize the israelis, demonize jewish people....no.
jew-hate comes cheap around here; worse at USC, and i'm ABSOLUTELY F*CKING SICK OF IT.

at the same time, for you to to deny analogies to jackson-kent [unarmed protesters being fired upon = not by police, by the way, but the national guard.]
and a couple hundred years of lynching [=as recently as that man being dragged behind the pickup truck a year or two ago=] suggest to me that you are historically misinformed.

injustice - absolute INJUSTICE - was not invented in jerusalem a month or two ago. nor was the CHEAPNESS OF LIFE. but more to the point, this current sequence of tragedies has been EXPLOITED. absolutely EXPLOITED.

as horrific as it has appeared to us, far from there, this is ANTI-SEMITIC POLITICAL FODDER, which unfortunately means a sh*tload more to the jew-haters than a clutch of dead kids. and as such those poor, poor kids are worth MORE to the jew-haters DEAD than alive.
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yo, my mother fell over dead when i was 12. my brother died on the operating table the following year. the police beat the sh*t out of me when i was 15. i came within a few minutes of bleeding to death on my front lawn when i was 17. [in virginia, arizona, california and virginia, respectively.]
dont even TRY to tell me about what is "justification", or what is "fair".

==why do i suspect that you've lived a comparitively stable middle to upper-middle-class-life, where it can be very easy to speak in SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS? must've been nice.

and dont you EVER use my name and that of mad marie in the same sentence again, thank you very much.
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i dont know what these 'false promises' you refer to are supposed to be.

i question why you'd show any 'concern' for me or why you'd think you were my 'friend'.
you wanna be my 'friend'? then let this exchange stop here.

i wont fight with you.
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{+1sk}

L'Menexe you make it sound like Israel can do no wrong and all Jews are angels.I have stayed out of this Jewish thing but some of the stuff you are saying is totally ridiculous.If you see that as being anti-semitic so be it.You can put that label on me if you choose.

IGOR:
you didnt read what i wrote. try again. or dont.

i didnt put _any_ label on you; you did that yourself long before this.

* L'Menexe you make it sound like Israel can do no wrong and all Jews are angels.
It is Your vision of his post.

* I have stayed out of this Jewish thing but some of the stuff you are saying is totally ridiculous.
What are they?

For one the part about the kids.Whether they throw stones or not bullets are not the answer.Most countries use tear gas.As far as the boy that got shot he was shot by Israeli troops.And the one that got stomped by the security guard,that is totally unjustifed as was the sentence.

Chorny misses the whole furcking point.
Shame your words fell on deaf ears, L'menexe, but then the meaning of the term liberalism is totally lost on most in North America.
Didn't someone say something about "going down a one-way street together"?
If you have avoided getting into the Jewish bullshit ala USC and MadMarie for all this time, why fall for it now, when it seems clear judgement would be usefull? Have you checked out your friends at Anti-war.com reasently?


Ah and the fake finally found something he knows enough to rant about,if only he could learn to think for himself, but there's the good old BEEB to help out.

"Where's Kim the Dyke"? - Explaining the terms "orgasm" and "incest" to your wife and sisters!

L'Menexe I have been reading all of everyones posts here since I got here.I don't comment much on the Israeli affairs as they do not interest me at all,except when it concerns Russia.And I was not refering to one post in particular but to all of yours in general concerning Israel.If the Palestinians are all terrorists Israel sure has enough of them too ie Kahane and a lot of the settlers.

I did not miss the point as I have two eyes and a functioning brain and I know what I see.Anti-war sure has a lot to say about Israel as does HRW and all the other human rights groups including the ones in ISRAEL.So it seems to me it is YOU who missed the point!!!!

Israel accused of confiscating medicine bound for Palestinian Authority

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By Arieh O'Sullivan January, 25 2001

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(January 25) - Members of an international humanitarian organization have accused Israel of harassment for confiscating two suitcases full of antibiotics bound for the Palestinian Authority.

Dan Winters, an American volunteer for the International Action Center led by former US attorney-general Ramsey Clark, said Israeli customs agents confiscated the medicine as he crossed the Jordan border via the Allenby Bridge on Sunday.

He said customs officials told him he couldn't bring in the medicine without permits, and took 91 jugs filled with thousands of antibiotics worth about $18,000, paid for with donations raised in New York.

"It is immoral and even criminal to stop children from getting medicine, especially when there is a shortage," said Winters. "I think it was clearly a malicious act by the Israelis.

"They know we weren't smugglers, otherwise they would have arrested us. It is clearly harassment," said Winters, who was traveling with a US citizen of Palestinian origin.

Winters, 64, said he had accompanied Clark to Amman and Baghdad, where the former US official and outspoken liberal had protested against economic sanctions on Iraq.

A spokeswoman for the Customs Authority confirmed that the medicine was confiscated because the carriers had not obtained a permit to bring it into the country, as required of all medical products.

"Not only did they not declare it, they tried to sneak it in by hiding it in their car," said spokeswoman Idit Lev-Zerahia.

"We don't care who the medicine is for. ...There is a procedure that has to be done and they didn't do it. If they didn't know, they should have.

"If I would have arrived to the United States with two suitcases full of medicine and told them I didn't know I had to declare it and have permits, they would look at me like I was a moron too," Lev-Zerahia said.

She insisted that the medicine confiscation had nothing to do with the fact that the medicines were bound for the Palestinian Authority, and said that permits are given daily.

"You can't accuse us of [harassment]," she said. "An orderly organization would have known better and would have taken out permits."

She said that the medicine was being held and would be released if the International Action Center went through customs procedures to receive a permit.

Now try looking at the situation from the other point of view....

There's a war going on, both sides see themselves as fighting for their own survival, who gives a toss which side is right or wrong.
Surely the point is to get them talking again! Prosecute the survivors later.

How come you are suddenly so interested in Human rights groups? Or is it one rule for Russia and another.....

IGOR:

you are incorrect about the tragic 'tv star'
little boy.**
bullets were flying everywhere; he died from shots
fired by _palestinians_.

_why_ wasnt his father doing a better job of
protecting him? _why_ did the father cower in the
corner and not the son?

** and NO! i'm not making less of the boy, but to
refer to him as such, you know _exactly_ who i am
talking about.

and i see no mention here about the jewish
cyber-boy, enticed online and lured to his death.
shot 15 times...
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fukt up people packing hardware do fukt up things.

fukt up individuals do all kinds of fukt up things
no matter their religious inclinations.
yesterday, today, tomorrow.

what do you want me to say? 'always blame it on
the jews'?
not bloody likely, comrade.
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afternoon, mum!
been a long time
since we rocked and rolled...[g]

marie, isa and st.tony congregate at one
particular site, the link to which i'll send you
off group.
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daishki, K-san
{+1sk}

Because I am sick of everything that Israel does being justified.Where is the US the great champion of freedom and human rights.Right not a fuccking peep out of them.

why_ wasnt his father doing a better job of
protecting him? _why_ did the father cower in the
corner and not the son? --- So is that blaming the father now?
what do you want me to say? 'always blame it on
the jews'?
not bloody likely, comrade.---do they do any wrong? fukt up individuals do all kinds of fukt up things
no matter their religious inclinations.
yesterday, today, tomorrow. does that include Jews as well?

Hellooooo, Chorny!

Both sides are wrong!

Now what?