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Russia under Putin will , as always

"We are one of those nations which do not appear to be an integral part of the human race, but exist only in order to teach some great lesson to the world." Pyotr Chaadaev

John Robson The Ottawa Citizen

The accession of Vladimir Putin has everyone wondering if he's the miracle man who will finally make Russia a normal state. Previously they thought it might be Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Andropov, Brezhnev, Khrushchev, Stalin, Lenin, Aleksandr II, Catherine the Great, Peter the Great, or ...

I have some bad news, folks. Normal for Russia is filthy, corrupt, menacing and hollow. Nothing good has ever happened there, nor will it. Russia is a lump of dung wrapped in a cabbage leaf hidden in an outhouse. You doubt it? Then join my tragical history tour.

First, Russia was cursed by nature. It has a narrow band of relatively fertile soil that tapers off from southwest to northeast, but most rain falls in the northwest and Russia gets drier and colder as you go east. Its frontier, unlike ours or the Americans', led nowhere.

Except, of course, to loathsome invaders. First, though, from the north came the same Norsemen who ravaged Western Europe. But in Russia they didn't govern, in the sense of providing security in return for protection money. They just built walled towns and stole stuff. Then Vladimir of Kiev adopted the Orthodox religion, which helped wall Russia off from the West and contributed to what one historian calls the puzzling "intellectual silence" of Russian history. So did the Cyrillic alphabet.

Then came the Mongols in 1237. They, too, provided no services, and felt no obligation, to their subjects. They just stole stuff and killed anyone who asked questions. Then the Black Death ravaged Russia and finished off the Mongols. So Ivan III stopped paying them tribute in 1480 and promptly set about stripping his subjects of their few liberties. The nobles were brought to heel, and the independent cities broken. Around this time, as Richard Pipes notes in his masterful Russia Under the Old Regime, the blurry distinction between lands the ruler held personally and those he granted to nobles in his capacity as monarch was resolved. But in Europe, especially England, most became the latter, while in Russia the reverse happened.

Then came Ivan the Terrible, who divided the country into an outer part he ruled unjustly and an inner part where his psychotic secret police slaughtered thousands. Ivan killed his eldest son and left the throne to an imbecile without heirs. Then (then, you say?) came the Time of Troubles, lasting until the Romanovs seized power in 1613. During this time the peasants were enserfed but, this being Russia, there is no clear record of when or how.

Then came Peter the Great, a giant (6'8") who forced westernization down the throats of his reluctant nobles (along with anything they abhorred, including corpse flesh), built his capital in a swamp and forced his courtiers to cut off their beards. So rather than taking root, western habits were aped for safety but despised. Peter also held sacrilegious orgies, and had his only adult heir tortured to death in front of him. Then Catherine the Great, another westernizer-by-force, murdered her wretched impotent husband Peter III, brought Voltaire to her court, turned the whole country into a Potemkin village and drove her son Paul mad. Later he was assassinated.

Then Aleksandr I, head of the orthodox, theology-free church, finally read the Bible in his 30s and was converted. God told him to exterminate liberalism throughout Europe so he formed the Holy Alliance. Then Aleksandr II lost the Crimean War, emancipated the serfs and was assassinated. Nikolai II fitfully promoted reform, lost the First World War and was assassinated.

After that, people say, things went rather badly. But already in the 19th century to be "Russian" about things meant insisting your own country was best without knowing anything about other countries and not much about your own. And in 1839 the visiting Marquis de Custine lamented the absence of a "citizen class" and wrote "there is no people of Russia ... "

And it has been said that to understand Russian history you need only know that Russians made the biggest bell and the biggest cannon in the history of the world, and neither worked. Substitute Marxist ideology for the religious bell and the Red Army for that cannon, and you can see that nothing has changed. Nor will it. Russia is doomed by history and culture.

It stinks, literally and figuratively, and always has. People there have no manners, and as Pipes argues, no cultural capital, particularly no tradition of decency toward strangers. In Russia, when someone is swindled, popular sympathy goes to the swindler. Communism, of course, made it worse: Communism makes anything worse.

But the bottom line is: Russia has , , and will .

John Robson is Senior Writer and Deputy Editorial Pages Editor.

Copyright 2000 Ottawa Citizen

2 ABD,

THANKS FOR POSTING ROBSON'S ARTICLE. WE WERE MISSING IT EARLIER TODAY, AND SOME (ME INCLUDED) HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE LOOKING FOR THE ORIGINAL. VERY NICE CONTRIBUTION!

abd,
Think all russians for a second

If the Chechnian's has the same amount of weapons the russians has they will conqure whole russia in few weeks.

Forget it. Terrorists are not capable to produce weapons, they are not smart enough. Russians create, terrorists destroy. To destroy is always easier than to create.

It is too bad the russians soilders not getting paid before they are getting killed by the mujahideens.

I didn't heard anyone complaining of not getting paid. Every wounded soldier in hospital desires to return back to the front.

I WILL TEACH YOU THE TRUTH FOR FREE OK.
ONE THING I NEED FROM YOU THAT IS RIght mind.

Wow. Maybe YOU have right mind?

Tell me why mighty russian chickens aka eagels lost their butt in Afghnistan.

Let me tell you. Without USA's funds and Pakistan's assistance afganis could do nothing.

Soon the Chechnian will kick all the russians and the traitors like uzbec, tazakistan, Daza...

You call THAT a right mind, huh? Kill all infidels is acceptable in Quoran? And who is infidel? One who is not Muslim? Then you can kill men, women, children if they are not muslims?

Slovak,
they are better fighters than special russian forces.

I doubt it.

balalaika,
You didn't answered. Where are you living?

Stanislav

2 STANISLAV,

I WILL ANSWER IF YOU ARE OLDER THAN 25 Y.O.

2 STANISLAV,

I WILL ANSWER IF YOU ARE OLDER THAN 25 Y.O.

sorry for misprint in previous message

Armenian,
You better just ignore balalaika.

Slovak,
whether i'm a nazi or not, it doesn't matter and that's only my problem.

I don't think so. If nazis didn't touch anyone then maybe it was their only problem. But after WW2 being a nazi is a crime.

like "m#&$cker" an opinion, then it's hard to talk."
explain this to ultra nacionale and the rest of the fanatics.

Ultra and Svoloch, you shouldn't use bad words. 🙂 Good enough?

what i think russia should do, is to lauch heavy offensive with thousands of soldiers on the Grozny and on the mountains.

That is what Russia did during 1st chechen campaign. You know the results. I think that today's strategy is better.

Stanislav

balalaika,
WILL ANSWER IF YOU ARE OLDER THAN 25 Y.O.

Why? Or your country name contains sexual phrases, that are not recommended to those who are under 18?

Or I understood you wrong?

Stanislav

balalaika,
WILL ANSWER IF YOU ARE OLDER THAN 25 Y.O.

Why? Or your country name contains sexual phrases, that are not recommended to those who are under 18?

Or I understood you wrong?

Stanislav

2 stasik,

>>> Armenian,
You better just ignore balalaika.

balalaika,
WILL ANSWER IF YOU ARE OLDER THAN 25 Y.O.

>> Why? Or your country name contains sexual phrases, that are not recommended to those who are under 18?

>> Or I understood you wrong?

snachala ty, chmo bolotnoe, sovetuesh "ignorirovat' balalaiku", a satem nabivaeshsya ko mne s svoimi voprosami! s maloletkami kak ty u menya razgovor korotok - poshel sam znaesh kuda, mudozvonische ...

ABD, where in the hell did you read your history? Who was the LEader before LEnin? Nicholas the 2nd not Aleksander the 2nd! It goes to show how much you know, when you read some little magazine or memorize old school lectures. Your little ass needs to go to school. One more thing which makes you look stupid, where in the world is Tazakistan? Ive never heard of it. ABD, you are pots, you need to learn history and when you will, you should understand why things happened the way they did.

Balalaika, funny, well said, your last statement.

Putin Silent In Face Of Anger Over Duma Deal

MOSCOW, Jan 20, 2000 -- (Reuters) Russia's Acting President Vladimir Putin has maintained a stony silence in the face of an unprecedented wave of public criticism following a surprise parliamentary pact between his allies and the Communists.

But with less than 10 weeks before a presidential election, it remained to be seen whether Putin's enemies could come up with a credible candidate to challenge him in the polls.

The political quarrels in Moscow have briefly distracted media attention from fighting in Chechnya, where Russian troops were in the fourth day of a renewed all-out assault to capture the regional capital Grozny after suffering setbacks last week.

NTV television reported from Grozny on Wednesday that Russian troops were making progress in the city block by block, but were meeting heavy resistance from well-entrenched fighters there.

The unexpected announcement this week that the pro-Putin Unity party would team up with the Communists to divide control over the State Duma lower house of parliament threw leading centrist and liberal factions into a hastily formed opposition.

The deal gave Communist Gennady Seleznyov the speaker's post and left Unity, a three-month-old bloc with no platform apart from its support for Putin, in charge of several committees.

Major centrist and liberal parties were mostly excluded from top posts. A third of lawmakers, including three former prime ministers, announced an open-ended boycott of the chamber and said they would coordinate their activities in opposition.

But so far Putin has defied their calls for him to explain his party's moves.

"Putin must comment on the situation personally," Konstantin Titov, a liberal regional governor, said in a television interview on Wednesday. He called the Unity-Communist deal a "cruel, cynical strike against democracy".

COMMUNISM!!!

WWW.KPRF.RU

2 URN,

Chto-to abdula vse-escho propaladaet gde-to. naverno, uvleksya "sheer delights".

2 abd,

before conquering "Tazakistan", check your maps, or your army will have no idea where to go (apart from the chinese embassy in belgrade).

LOL, Tazakistan, LOL!!!! XAXAXAXA!!!!

BASAYEV GRAVELY WOUNDED

The Interfax news agency reports that according to the Spanish press, Chechen battlefield commander Shamil Basayev was seriously wounded about three weeks ago. According to former Chechen Foreign Minister Shamil Beno, "Basayev was wounded during an argument with Chechen Defense Minister Mohamed Yambiyev. The latter reproached Basayev for the unsuccessful incursion into Dagestan in August 1999, which Russia used as a pretext to start a new invasion of Chechnya. In the course of the argument Basayev shot Yambiyev in the leg with his pistol, and Yambiyev shot Basayev in the stomach three times.

Izvestia, January 20, 2000, p. 2

Stanislav ( - 196.34.250.6) on Thursday, January 20, 2000 - 04:50 am:


kill men, women, children if they are not muslims

This is your way of thinking as the christians are doing 2000 years. Read your bible, see what is telling to do , kill baby, olderwomen, men and even cows.

Sory you have no knowledge of Islam. Learn it first and then we will discuss.

U Stanislav ( - 196.34.250.6) on Thursday, January 20, 2000 - 04:50 am:

Look what Quran say about killing:
190. And fight in the Way of Allâh[] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. chap 2:190


Look what Bible say about killinG:

And the LORD said to him, "Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark upon the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it."
[5] And to the others he said in my hearing, "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall not spare, and you shall show no pity;
[6] slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women, but touch no one upon whom is the mark. And begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were before the house.
[7] Then he said to them, "Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain. Go forth." So they went forth, and smote in the city. Ezkel 9;4-7


YOU BE THE JUDGE IF YOU HAVE RIGHT MIND.