Death trap for live chickens aka eagels

Fierce street fighting is continuing in Grozny, where bands of Chechen snipers have turned the bombed-out city into a death trap for the federal forces.

Show me the dead chicken picture if you telling the truth.

Major-General Mikhail Malofeyev, killed in battle last week in Grozny, was buried with full military honours in the North Caucasus town of Vladikavkaz.

Russian troops' tales of war



As debate rages in Russia over the true extent of military casualties in Chechnya, wounded soldiers have been giving accounts of their combat experiences on TV.

Russian NTV went to a hospital in the central Russian city of Orenburg to hear how soldiers had received their wounds. Aleksandr Korotkov told how he had lost his foot on a mine.

AK: "We were attacking some kind of factory."

NTV: "In Grozny?"

AK: "Yes."

NTV: "Are there many wounded there?"

AK: "Very many. At first we were stationed in a village nearby. Then we were taken to Grozny. Then we stepped on a mine."

NTV: "Were you alone or was there anyone else with you?"

AK: "There was another lad with me ... He lost both legs. And I lost my foot."

Russian troops' tales of war

Civilians by day

Nikolay Aldakov, who was hit by a sniper, said losses were heavy but the Chechen fighters were also losing men.

NA: "When I was dragging a wounded soldier, a sniper shot me in the back twice, against the flak jacket. The flak jacket fell off and he shot again, this time in the legs. That's all. They are good snipers. We have big losses."

NTV: "And the fighters?"

NA: "Their losses are big as well."

Aleksandr Zhileykin, a veteran of the first Chechen war who got hit in the legs by a sniper this time around, still hopes to return. He described the enemy's relentless tactics and dismissed official Russian casualty figures.

"They are well reinforced. A guerrilla war is going on. They are not entering direct combat. They know the territory too well.

"Fighters stay behind even in places that we have liberated. In the daytime they walk around like local citizens, at night they are mujahedin, but without the beards.

"We used to be occupants for them and we still are. There are many losses."

NTV: "In Grozny?"

AZ: "There are a lot. Hundreds are dying and then they report two dead on the Russian side."

In firing line

Viktor Maygulov, a soldier recovering from his wounds at a military hospital in the southern city of Voronezh, told NTV it was the regular army bearing the brunt of the fighting, not the Russian Interior Ministry's much vaunted anti-terrorist units.

VM: "To tell the truth, we do not see them at all."

NTV: "Who?"

VM: "The SOBR (rapid-reaction units) and OMON (special-purpose police). Internal troops usually retreat after the first shot by a sniper. It is the infantry who are going to the most dangerous places. Only the infantry are being killed."

One of NTV's correspondents in Chechnya spoke to another, unidentified, soldier just after he returned from combat in Grozny.

He said the fighting had left many "200s" and "300s" - military code for dead and wounded respectively.

"There have been many, very many wounded in the past two days. There are many 200s and plenty of 300s.

"It seems there are not many (Chechen fighters) - but they sit there with an anti-tank grenade launcher on one side and a machine gun on the other and fire from them alternatively. There is a barrage of fire there."

Russian troops' tales of war


Counting the dead

Another correspondent went to the railway station in Rostov-on-Don, southern Russia, where all the dead are brought before being moved to the city's forensic laboratory.

Using a concealed camera, he asked two warehouse workers about the number of bodies they were handling.

NTV: "Have there been a lot today?"

Workers: "A lot."

NTV: "How many?"

Workers: "Fifteen."

NTV: "Fifteen today alone?"

Workers: "Yes."

NTV: "Are there 15 every day?"

Workers: "No, it's different every day. They say there were a lot on Saturday."

NTV: "How many - 30?"

Workers: "Yes, 30."

NTV: "On Saturday?"

Workers: "Yes. Oh, my God."

Galina Sevrun of the independent Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, which draws its casualty figures from the accounts of soldiers' families, gave a similar picture of heavy losses.

"We up the figures published in the media by roughly 50%, if not 100%. Those are absolutely the most conservative estimates.

"So, the total is already between 2,000 and 3,000. Furthermore, you also have to bear in mind that the figures published in the media are only the figures for the dead. Those who die of their wounds are not included."

A representative of the committee in Nizhny Novgorod, Galina Lebedeva, told Russian Centre TV she thought the truth about Russia's losses would have to come out.

She was speaking after a new consignment of soldiers' corpses arrived at the city's railway station.

"We don't understand where they plan to conceal the graves and where they plan to conceal these carriages."

BBC Monitoring ( http://www.monitor.bbc.co.uk ), based in Caversham in southern England, selects and translates information from radio, television, press, news agencies and the Internet from 150 countries in more than 70 languages.

Russian generals admitted that they lost 1100 of their soldiers in Chechnia up to now !!!

The independent Russian news agency said the real figures of dead Russian soldiers are around 3000!!!


Russian generals admitted 1100 Russian soldiers died in Chechnia. The independent Russian news agency said that these figures are not the real figures. The independent Russian news agency said around 3000 Russian soldiers have died in Chechnia up to now.

hurreh!!!

Russian fags are dying one by one!!!

CHECHNYA
'Like a Meat Grinder'

Newsweek, January 31, 2000

Wars aren't really won until troops occupy the enemy's ground. After months of bombarding Grozny, the capital of rebel Chechnya, Russian soldiers and their allies moved in last week to take the city, block by shattered block. It wasn't easy. In north Grozny, Chechen irregulars loyal to Moscow spent seven days pushing back rebel fighters just 400 yards. The irregulars' commander, Beslan Gantemirov, said, "Compared to the last assault on
Grozny [in 1994-95], this is much slower and much more messy." Casualties are mounting. "Out of our company of 75 men, only 25 were left," a dispirited sergeant said on Russian TV. "It was like a meat grinder." With a presidential election on March 26, Russian military leaders had promised a quick and relatively painless victory. Now they may have to sacrifice one goal or the other—or fail on both.

© 2000 Newsweek, Inc.

I am not surprised to see the letters from Novus Ordoites (who erroneusly call themselves Roman Catholics) in support of the Mohammedan Chechens.

As an orthodox traditional Roman Catholic I agree with the efforts of the Russian Orthodox to neutralize Mohammedan bandits in Chechnya. It appears that the Mohammedans have some tactical advantages in that they are using or pretending to use 20,000 civilians as human shields and receiving military and economic aid from America and the Mohammedan powers around the world, particularly the Taliban and the Palestinian Terrorist Organization etc.

It seems that in light of the difficulties the Russian troops are having in liberating the Russian district of Chechnya from the terrorists, the best and wisest course of action for the Russians is to withdraw all Russian troops from the region of Chechnya and surround the district with a perimeter of Russian troops to prevent any Mohammedans from escaping to Gruzya, Ingushetia, Ossetia, or Dagestan, and then the Russian air force should drop nuclear bombs on Grozny and all other areas where terrorists are holding out. The Russians must assume that the 20,000 civilians are already dead, because since several months ago they were already reported as being to sick and infirm to leave their basement shelters and that their food was running out. If that was the case a month ago, then no doubt, there are no civilians left in the non Russian contolled areas of Chechnya, and therefore, except for Russian soldiers themselves, anyone remaining alive in Chechnya is a bandit Mohammedan and is a legitimate target for Russian nuclear explosives.

Therefore, the Russians should listen to the Mothers of Russian soldiers, and pull their forces out of Chechnya. After all, even if the Russians do eliminate the armed Mohammedan bandits, the Chechnyan population will remain ungrateful and will just spawn future revolts against Russian authority.

It is regretable that the Chechens refused to live peaceably with the Russians and chose instead to engage in terrorism, sabotage, kidnapping and mass rape typically committed by Mohammedans throughout history. The Russians are faced with an entire Chechen people that have become like mad dogs, and there is little other choice except to put the Mohammedan Chechen dogs to sleep. Russia needs to stop sacrificing its own soldiers in order to extend mercy to the Chechens, and would do best instead to just withdraw all its forces and then subsequently nuke Chechnya into oblivion.

My guess, however, is that the Russians are to peaceful and merciful to do this, and will continue to bear the brunt of the brutal Mohammedan terrorist atrocities committed by the Chechen bandits.

I hope and pray that the Russians will remain undaunted and fearless in the face of Chechen aggression.

China has it's own Muslim fundamentalists

Lets see how Turkey keeps Russia out of Central Asia

I am amazed that the Russians are treating the Chechen refugees so kindly. The Russians are allowing them to take refuge in Ingushetia, they are allowing them to return to Russian controlled parts of Chechnya (where the civilians then aid the bandits in terrorist attacks against the Russian soldiers), and the Russians are providing food to the refugees. This is in stark contrast to the inhuman brutal way the NATO forces are treating the KosovO Serbs. The NATO invaders are allowing the KosovO Albanian Mohammedan terrorists to murder, rape and pillage the Serbs on their own land.

Go Serbs!!!
Go Serbs!!!
Go Serbs!!!
Right on, Radovan!!!
Kick their cans, Arkan!!!
Ram 'em, Radko!!!
Slam 'em down, Slobodan!!!!

Uzbekistan Welcomes Russian Aid To Fight Muslim Extremism 01/24/2000

TASHKENT, Jan 24, 2000 -- (Agence France Presse) Uzbek President Islam Karimov said Saturday that Tashkent would turn to Moscow
for help in fighting any future outbreaks of violence from Muslim extremists in Central Asia.

"If this danger tomorrow intensifies ... Russia is a country that we can lean on for military-technical support," Karimov told parliament during his inauguration after a crushing victory in which he won another five-year term.

Last February, Uzbekistan pulled out of a security pact among former Soviet republics only to partially return to the fold in December when Tashkent signed a new security accord with Moscow.

Karimov's change of heart came after Muslim fighters took hostages, including four Japanese geologists, and seized mountain villages in neighboring Kyrgyzstan last fall.

In November, 23 people were killed in clashes between Islamic rebels and Uzbek troops in a mountainous region in the east of Uzbekistan.

Karimov said Central Asian leaders need to "work out a united opinion on issues of defending the region from the expansion of
religious extremism."

The Uzbek strongman singled out his Kyrgyz counterpart, Askar Akayev, for criticism, saying he misjudged the threat the Muslim fighters posed to his own country.

"Our task is to change Akayev's point of view," Karimov said.

Karimov, whose lone opponent in the presidential poll January 9 voted for the incumbent, also renewed previous pledges to "build a democratic state with a market economy."

Chechen Reinforcements from Lebanon 01/20/2000

Intelligence Newsletter
January 20, 2000

THREAT ASSESSMENT; FUNDAMENTALISM; N. 374

Intelligence Newsletter sources close to fundamentalist circles in Beirut report that major networks have sprung up to convey fighters to Chechnya. The volunteers are mainly recruited
in Lebanon, but also in Syria and in parts of the West Bank controlled by the Palestinian Authority. Money for the recruits is being raised in certain mosques considered as bastions of Sunni
fundamentalism, such as the Tarik Al Jadida mosque in Beirut, Al Qobbeh in Tripoli and Al Qods in Saida. In the latter, the imam in charge of prayers, sheik Maher Habbud, is described as
a leading Islamic figure in Lebanon and is known for his links with Hezbollah - or at least was until 1997.

Recruitment proper is handled by an association known as El Takfir Wal-Hijra that was headed by Bassam Kanj before he was slain earlier this month in a clash with Syrian forces. Several veterans of the Afghanistan conflict belong to the association. Recruits are given basic military training on the spot by the Osbat Al Ansar unit.

Other Sunni fundamentalist movements also take part, principally Feisal Maoulawi's Jamaa Islamiya, Bilal Shaabane's Islamic Unification Movement and sheik Al Chahhal's Salifist movement. But the latter is made up chiefly of men chosen to carry out attacks against Russian interests in the Middle East.

According to sources close to Syrian intelligence in Damascus the fighters join up with fundamentalist Chechen units in Vedeno and Grozny. Most leave Lebanon by sea for Turkey, from which they travel to Azerbaijan. Later, they move on to Tblisi where the representatives of Czechen forces meet them and lead them
to the front.

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