Kissie


"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory can be sure and not too costly, you may come to a moment when you have to fight with all the odds against you, and only a precarious chance to survive. There may even be a worse case - You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, and it will be better to perish than to live in slavery."

- - - - Winston Churchill, 1937.

Faiz Khan
I fully agree with you on your critic of the western world.
It's because of education and culture. I don't know if it's directely conected with democracy.
I think iot' definitively linked to the huge cultural crisis of this world. The west has just a skin deep democracy after all.
It can be also because of socialism or the state-is-responsible mentality.
The big cultural crash of the end of the XXth C is world wide and touch also muslims who refugee themselves in Islam.

But is it the only way out?

I doubt Islam will generate a great civilization (which is a very relative notion) as Adder 21 let us think.

So what about me in the pan-islamic world if I don't want to be muslim? (if there is no democracy )

By Faiz Khan ( - 212.26.19.158) on Wednesday, January 26, 2000 - 03:17 pm:

"Democracy is a gross failure all over the world."
"Drugs-abuse, depression, sleep-disorders, restlessness,X-rated life are absolutely absent from Islamic societies. Thus, the need of Islam all over the world."

Are you joking? Or perhaps your the most naive person on this planet?

OK now I have reas everything....according to Fitz Khan Chechnya and muslims will cause the down fall of America. I remember silly statements like that over Kosovo , like how Kosovo will cause WWIII. Faiz fails to understand there are many muslim americans. The USA does not have an official religion. Such logic as Chechnya will lead to the down fall of USA is such goobygook its laughable. Plus with the global economy the downfall of an America, Japan, western europe would lead to more suffering the world over.

" As I walk thru the valley of death I fear no one because I am the meanest mother fu#ker in the valley"

Gen. Patton 1944

Adder
- - - Winston Churchill, 1937.
From which context did you take this quote?
It was more than 60 years ago by the way. Times passed by a bit.

By Steve


the democratic countries are moraly bankcrupt.
no one will destroy america it will destroy itself . the moral fabric of its society is tattered

To : Kissie

Truth is always disturbing and a bitter pill too. The wicked Americans are bank-rolling the merciless bombardment of innocent Chechen civilians without realising the silly Russians are no Afghans to win a proxy war for them. Perspectives of the pathetic miseries of old, women and children are beyond you.

Good afternoon Gonzo the Great,

I hope all is well with you?? Todays discussion seems like the same as yesterday people voiceing their religious beliefs all over the board. I Like your statement about the people here in America.
People here do get along with one another. The reason they do is because they respect one anothers abilities to be able to believe in what ever turns their crank. Because of that we don't believe that one should be shot for thinking differenty.

I bet most of the people here speaking ill of US of A are actually not posting from exotic, foreign countries. I bet they live right here!

Oh, well, I guess I too am forced to live in this horrible, backward, crumbling USA. Alas, if I could only live in an islamic paradise like, say, in Afganisthan.

Check out:
http://www.rawa.org/

Adder21: If opened your mind a little maybe you would begin to see that democracy is not a problem but a solution. Obviously the muslims do not have it figured out if they did they would live in peace and harmony. But they don't they die because they are so stupid they believe what some idiot tells them. Go out and die and you will live agian and when you do, You will go out and die again and again and again.

So Please for the good of mankind cut the crap, get a grasp on yourself and try and make peace with your neighbor instead of trying to find a way to kill them.

steve


When You Look At Me What do you see when you look at me Do you see someone limited, or someone free All some people can do is just look and stare Simply because they can't see my hair Others think I am controlled and uneducated They think that I am limited and un-liberated They are so thankful that they are not me Because they would like to remain 'free' Well free isn't exactly the word I would've used Describing women who are cheated on and abused They think that I do not have opinions or voice They think that being hooded isn't my choice They think that the hood makes me look caged That my husband or dad are totally outraged All they can do is look at me in fear And in my eye there is a tear Not because I have been stared at or made fun of But because people are ignoring the one up above On the day of judgment they will be the fools Because they were too ashamed to play by their own rules Maybe the guys won't think I am a cutie But at least I am filled with more inner beauty See I have declined from being a guy's toy Because I won't let myself be controlled by a boy Real men are able to appreciate my mind And aren't busy looking at my behind Hooded girls are the ones really helping the Muslim cause The role that we play definitely deserves applause I will be recognized because I am smart and bright And because some people are inspired by my sight The smart ones are attracted by my tranquility In the back of their mind they wish they were me We have the strength to do what we think is right Even if it means putting up a life long fight You see we're not controlled by a mini skirt and tight shirt We are given only respect, and never treated like dirt So you see, we are the ones that are free and liberated We're not the ones that are sexually terrorized and violated We are the ones that are free and pure We're free of STD's that have no cure So when people ask you how you feel about tha hood Just sum it up by saying 'baby its all good' 😉

jamman , thanks. You know I just don't understand these people calling for the down fall of America in the name of muslim religion. First off who would buy all there oil (joke). Really don't they understand there are muslim americans a lot of them as well americans that belive in every religion that exists. It seems to me leaders of such countries who have there people shout slogans in government organized marches like "death to america" just want to there people to blame there problems on the US instead of where they should on there own government.

So what about me in the pan-islamic world if I don't want to be muslim? (if there is no democracy )
* Shishlik.

Faiz Khan

"Drugs-abuse, depression, sleep-disorders, restlessness,X-rated life are absolutely absent from Islamic societies. Thus, the need of Islam all over the world."

In the democratic world there are many setces which offer the same as islam and gather with great success new members upon these reasons.
Many of these sectes are dangerous and theyr main purpose is to steal money from worshippers while pretending to ensures total peace for the soul and sometimes to kill them.
The Solar Temple for example.

Islamism is a very popular one. I don't mean Islam which exists for 14 C; but islamism: Blind obediance to the leaders, brainwashing prayings, live for god, live for the religion, sacrify yourself, give your life, refuse the unfidels, impose your ritual everywhere.
If islam became like that, and it seems it is, it's very dangerous.
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Steve

Faiz Khan is right about the problem of our society. You are naive.