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(@fenriz_culto)
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Patriot,

Excellent point. If you wish to see a more civilized discussion without fruitcakes constantly present, I can recommend to check out CN's board about the conflict:

http://community.cnn.com/cgi-bin/WebX?13 @41.f20zbDHWzCo^1@.ee6e2cc

Fenriz

PS: due to DMS fukked HTML script the link is not displayed in proper way. Don't click on it: just copy and paite it entirely


   
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(@dimitri)
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Patriot,

please, particapate then..for some reason though, something inside of me wishes for you to be on the "other side of the Wall" 🙂 due to lack of intellegent responces from Pro-terrorist side..or..wait a minute..maybe it's because there ISN'T any intellegent explanation of what the terrorists do..hmm

However, there are also "neutural" people who are here to learn as well as to share their opinions about the conflict..are you one of'em? If so, please share you opinion(s) about the whole kabuz


   
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(@patriot)
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Fenriz

Thanks for the link.


   
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(@patriot)
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Dimitri

Yes, I am neutral at this time relative to the hostilities. However, I must observe that on at least x2 prior occasions the US has engaged in bloody wars to protect its contiguous geographical territory. Therefore, it is hard for me to believe that any soverign nation, and I do mean any, would or should stand idly by and allow any group of people (regardless of their religious preference) in any of its states/territories/provinces, etc. to attempt to overthrow or suceed from the legitimate government. To do so would be an open invitation to anarchy.


   
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(@dimitri)
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Patriot,

I couldn't agree more with you.


   
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Patriot

In the name of democratie, it is legitimate for any people to chose his own way : it is true for province of Canada like Québec and it is true for Chechenya...Sovereity come from the poeple free will. But ,Chechenya is not Québec...The governement of Chechenya is a real threat for Russia security and for the security of his owm poeple and democratie is not a concept that they had learn for now. I am a true canadian and i bealieve in Canada as a great countrie...But i will accept any referendum for secession of Québec...Democratie come first in a civilise countrie.


   
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(@patriot)
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Dear Sir/Madam X,

Thank you for your most thoughtful reply. I am reminded that over 200 years ago the US fought a war with the UK in order to gain freedom. Do you think there is any correlation between the American Revolution and the conflict between Russia and Chechnya? If yes, why? If no, why? Please let me have the benefit of your thinking.


   
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(@patriot)
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Looks like everyone has gone to bed. Goodnight all.


   
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(@Anonymous)
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http://internettrash.com/users/russophobiac/rus03.htm An interesting article.


   
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(@othercanadianpatriot)
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To Patriot:
Don't agree with you. Chechens are a people as the people of Quebec are, both are part of a larger entity. The difference is this: Canada would allow Quebec to separate should the people of Quebec decide to do so - they haven't yet. The clear majority of Quebecers wants to remain part of Canada, as shown by previous referendums and recent polling. And why should Quebec separate? Finally the Canadian prime minister is from Quebec, as was the previous Canadian prime minister and the province of Quebec in many ways has more than an autonomic status already. Russia does not want Chechnya to cecede, although a vast majority of Chechens would vote for independence. Canada is not only a democracy,
it has been voted by the UN the #1 country in the
world in terms of standard of life (including social justice, democratic freedom and tolerance to all minorities). Russia's present political regime is a completely different animal. The country is only learning to become a democracy, being hounded by the past, including a bloody history of russian warfare towards the Chechen people, including Stalin's failed attempt to wipe out the Chechen people altogether. The present conflict MUST be seen in light of its historical context, including russia's centralistic -Moscov dominated- role and dictatorial past. One important note: There is no clear evidence that Chechens were responsable for the terrorist bombings in Moscov, russia's main reason for this war. The Chechen leadership denies any role in the bombings. For this reason the possibility exists that russia's attack on Chechnya has a different motiv.....


   
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(@drake)
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How do you know they want to separate?They did not wote on it.

Bombing is not the only reason.
1 Invasion into Dagestan
2. Oil
3. Politics ??? (not sure how important this one)
4. Protection of the people from kidnapping and killing

Also, couple western papers publish some information in which they stated that even M Albright said that there are some evidence toward chechen terrorists

thanks


   
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(@drake)
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In regarding the historical veiw.

Well, you probably have a point there, but how about other past socialist republics? Baltic is a good example


   
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OCP>>> Correction, Stalin did not try to wipe out the Chechen people. If he wanted to, he would succeed, no doubts about it.


   
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(@Anonymous)
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drake's point is exactly, neither population of Chechen Republic nor Chechen people had a vote on independence. Just because bunch of terrorists decided to have their own playground where they can grow/push drugs, print/distribute fake money and kidnap/torture people, doesn't mean the rest of Chechnya wants that.


   
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OCP>>> "There is no clear evidence that Chechens were responsable for the terrorist bombings in Moscow, Russia's main reason for this war."

It's like, oh my gawd! Russia's main reason for this anti-terrorist operation is an invasion of Dagestan. Second, kidnapping of people, bombings in Russia, oil, politics, control, whatever.


   
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