IGOR

STOP POSTING OKAY, EVEN A DIM WITTED RUSSIAN BABOON LIKE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND SUCH A SIMPLE ORDER.

hm, turk, et al.
respectfully, as applicable.

Antonio gets _zero_ benefit of the doubt from me.

as i age i've found myself struggling with the
concepts of "freedom" vs. "license".
the two are not the same.

a sanctimonious, presumptuous dolt such as
Antonio, thinking he can 'speak for god',
condemns throngs of people to a terrible fate
because _he_, not the alleged 'god', says so.
=
_please_ bear in mind, fellow page regulars and
consternation-filled visitors, ANY ONE OF US COULD
DECIDE WE ARE 'SPEAKING FOR GOD' AS SURELY AS
ANTONIO DOES.
=
if there IS a "god" he is NOT the vengeful
creature that Antonio is.
why? because I BLOODY WELL _SAY SO_.

and YOU could BLOODY WELL AGREE, OR SAY
DIFFERENT.
simple as that.
=
I will SCOFF at Antonio's nasty, sanctimonious,
GENOCIDAL CONDESCENSION!

AND ANY ONE OF US ARE EQUALLY AS QUALIFIED, AS HE
IS, to speak for the alleged 'god'.

ancient books are ancient books [take your pick]
and that's _all_ they are. may they provide solace
and comfort for those of sincere faith, but to
suggest they are 'reality', much less
_contemporary_ 'reality', is a fool's game.

or, in Antonio's case, the game of a singularly
_twisted_ individual.

why? BECAUSE I SAY SO.
and YOU CAN SAY THE SAME! OR NOT!
agree, or disagree with me. okay?

and if you disagree, i wont condemn you and all of
your 'kind' to burn in an imaginary, mind you,
IMAGINARY "hell"

and _that_ is what FREEDOM is.

-whew.

In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims.
If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.TURK I GUESS ALL THE BANDITS ARE DOOMED TO HELL EH?

ber-steeen

while you belabor your absurd interpretation of
'the sephardic',
what's up with 'the ashkenazic'?

go ahead and look 'em up,
because clearly you have no idea who they are,
just like you have no idea who 'the sephardic'
are.

Antonio has his "cheat sheets" to work from;
but _you_ just make stuff up.

BREAKING NEWS

Monday 03 July 2000 More than 1,500 Russian Soldiers Killed in One Hour

On Friday the Mujahideen issued a severe warning to the Russian Government; (See 01/07) the Mujahideen warned that if Russia did not stop its troops from committing crimes against the Chechen people by Sunday then it would have to face severe consequences and that the war would spread beyond Chechen borders.

On Sunday night, Russian forces arrested and violated several Chechen women from different villages. The enemy also arrested 15 young men aged 13-15 and sent them to join thousands of other Chechens in concentration camps. The Mujahideen responded by launching five martyrdom-operations and several massive
attacks against the largest concentrations of Russian Desant, OMON, military intelligence and military police units in the cities of Urus Martan, Gudermes, Kurcheloy, Argun and Novi Grozny. Mujahideen sources confirm that
at least 1,500 Russian soldiers were killed in a single hour as a result of these attacks

Important Note:

Some readers may be surprised by the extent of Russian casualties on Sunday; undoubtedly, unbelievers will claim that it is impossible for the Mujahideen to kill 1,500 Russian soldiers in one hour. And, while this is expected from unbelievers, Muslims should remember the following points:

1. The Mujahideen are the best Muslims on the face of the earth; lying is not part of their agenda. The Mujahideen report all situations on the battlefield, including their own casualties with honesty and accuracy. In fact, the Mujahideen are proud to announce the martyrdom of other Mujahideen as fighting sincerely for the sake of Allah always ends up in one of two great things: Victory or Martyrdom.

2. The Mujahideen have caused more damage to Russian forces than yesterday's battles. During their first attempt to capture Grozny in December 1994, Russia lost 2,300 dead in one hour in a botched assault on the capital. This fact was reported even by several Western media sources. Similar casualty rates were suffered by
enemy troops at the start of this conflict.

Mujahideen Launch New Attacks in Kurcheloy

In addition to the massive operation launched on Sunday, Mujahideen units continued with their regular operations to exterminate Russian forces across Chechnya. Yesterday, the Mujahideen launched three strikes in Kurcheloy; in the Shelkovsky area, mines were used to destroy a Russian vehicle, killing three of its occupants. In the same area, another vehicle was destroyed killing two soldiers and a BTR was blown up killing seven Russians. Despite these attacks, the Russian Government continues to claim that Kurcheloy is under its complete control.

Mujahideen Launch Two Attacks in Urus Martan

Mujahideen units under the leadership of Field Commander Ramadan Ahmadov carried out two attacks on Russian forces early on Sunday. In the first attack, a Russian BTR armoured vehicle was destroyed, killing four of its occupants. In the same area Mujahideen destroyed a Kamaz truck and a second BTR; seven Russian soldiers were killed.

During the fighting in Urus Martan, three Mujahideen were killed; may Allah accept them as martyrs in the highest levels of Paradise.

Russian SCUD Strikes Russian Special Forces Camp

By the Grace of Allah Most High, the rift between various branches of the Russian Military is intensifying; On Sunday, this led to the firing of a SCUD short range battlefield missile into a Russian Special Forces camp in Chechnya. Mujahideen sources confirm that a large number of 'elite' enemy troops were killed or wounded in the
attack.

Elsewhere in Chechnya, Mujahideen units under the leadership of Field Commander Arbi Barayev launched two attacks in Grozny. Mujahideen sources confirm that two Uzak vehicles were destroyed and seven enemy troops killed in the attack.

Hello all
I am happy to see a very big religious discussion on this board. How nice, now it would be also nice if anyone really cared about it.

Anyway, it was just my opening statement before i would like to post some information about Chechnya (i believe this board is dedicated to it, not religion. BTW Long Live state of Israel :))
First of all, all people who post information on this side, please include your source. For example we can look at the message of Usbek and say wow this guy/girl/it knows soo much. He/she/it has some information/contacts no one heard about, because of the such nice, informative statement he/she/it posted. But then, one just have to look around to found out that all Usbek did is copied some article from "famous" web site 'Jihad in Chechnay'. SO all i can say, way to go Usbek, nice paste and copy job. I was just wondering why 1500 people killed, why not 3000, or maybe 3500 (since jihad in chechnay takes numbers from the sky) Even kavakaz.org gave much smaller number.

In related news: please check this article, posted on www.stratfor.com ( http://www.stratfor.com/CIS/commentary/0006302303.htm ). It is quite interesting and informative.

thanks

Hey Turk
Can you check for me in turkish papers if the following event took place:
According to lenta.ru (russian language website - i am not sure how good/reliable they are), Police arrested the leader of Dagestan wahhabits - Mohammed Taraev (close translation). How is wanted by Interpoll and Russia.
I did not find any reference to this event in the western media (read yahoo news)

thanks

By Turk ( - 210.23.129.63) on Monday, July 3, 2000 - 09:48 am:
>By Antonio ( - 209.239.213.233) on Monday, July >3, 2000 - 09:00 am:

>Antonio, Perhaps you are not a bad person >afterall.

Justice begins with God, and for man in having the True Faith in Him. Apart from the True Faith, no man is justified.

I just had a most incredible dream this morning. The events which I related last night were true (to answer the suggestion of Mask). The following is merely a dream I saw this morning, quite unexpectedly:

I was passing from the east of Karabakh through the city of Askeran at nighttime and then before I knew it I was in Azerbaijan walking eastward on a grassy plain. I arrived on the outskirts of Baku and was met by a 30 year old Azeri, who asked me in English for my wallet and when I refused to give to him, he attacked me with a knife (!). I struggled with the attacker and forced the knife into his gut and he fell to the ground. I continued on my way eastward, and shortly I was flying through the night air a hundred feet above the ground and over a massive sprawling city with dense buildings varying in height up to 14 or so storeys with seemingly every window and street glowing with orange electric light, and the city was Baku. I flew across the city and somehow I was then in a bus riding eastward on a near-empty street. Inside the bus were about 20 Turkish passengers who stared at me and seemed to know that I had killed the Turk who had attacked me with the knife. I asked for directions in English and a few of the passengers seemed to understand and told me how to get to where I was going, but I don't remember where I wanted to go. The next thing I knew it was daylight and I was in the city center looking out across the cityscape. After that I found myself in a building in an office talking to several Turks, who all seemed to know that I had fought against them in war. One of them, a 15 year old girl wearing black pants and a magenta cotton shirt came up to me and held my hand. She had long straight black hair pulled back from her forehead with a tie, and she had an unblemished dark-skinned face with innocent eyes. It seemed she wanted me to take her in her arms, and I focused my gaze upon her collar and saw she was wearing a Crucifix around her neck. At that point, I woke up.

By IGOR ( - 149.99.71.46) on Monday, July 3, 2000 - 09:02 am:
>Antonio interesting links and thanks for
>clalification.

Pazhalsta.

Dear Turk,

You are too kind to suggest that the creature calling himself Antonio, may not be bad after all.

After reading this mental fanatics idotic posts. I am simply glad that I do not have to come in contact with such venemous, hate filled creatures like Antonio.

This Antonio creature is remarkably ignorant about the faith he professes to follow. The dumb moron probably doesn't even know that the concept of the Trinity was INVENTED three centuries after the death of Christ. His name was not even Christ, (which derives from the Greek for annointed one.)

A true Christian (something that the godless bastard Antonio is) would never denigrate the faith of others. Especially, Judiasm or Islam which share the same common Abrahamic root as Christianity.

Like most fanatics, the creaure Antonio would probably lacks any kind of education. This creature functions ONLY at an emotional hate filled level

By Turk ( - 210.23.129.61) on Monday, July 3, 2000 - 11:56 am:
>>>By Mask ( - 208.216.242.146) on Monday, July 3, 2000 - 11:09 am:
Turk, no one that deep in fantasies can be bad. If you care, you can get lots of tingling stories from the "trench" men, especially from those who never was in trenches and when no war is going on. >>>

>You could be absolutely right, however in
>fairness I have to give benefit of doubt to
>Antonio.

What I said was the correct historical truth. But there was something I forgot to mention. My batalion commander had tried over the radio to get the Baku regime to exchange that 18-year-old Azeri POW for an Armenian POW held in Azerbaijan. The word from Baku on the 2-way radio was that the Azeri regime was not interested in retrieving that prisoner and they could care less what the Armenians did to him. It seems the Azeris were more interested in using their POWs as political pawns in the propaganda war against Nagorno Karabakh and Armenia.

Not only did I observe that the Turks abandoned their own captured soldiers, but in the battlefield they also abandoned their wounded and dead like so much cannon fodder, whereas the Armenians and the Russians were very dilligent and adamant about evacuating their wounded and dead from the battlefield.


> Regardless, his life is quite sad.

Turk, if you tell me that your life is great and you have no problems and no suffering, then I would tell you I feel sorry for you. God dries all tears (as it is written in Holy Scripture) but the only way to salvation is through carrying the cross. If you have no cross to carry Turk, then you would do well to ask God to send you one, or more.

"Hail Holy Queen (the Virgin Mary), Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope, to thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve, to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary, pray for us O holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ."

> At the end of the day, its not up to me to
>judge people, although I am guilty of doing just
>that sometimes. We all will be judged one day by
>the creator, who created us with a purpose.

The Apostles Creed: I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell [not the place of the damned, but the netherworld Limbo, or in Hebrew "Sheol"]; the third day He arose again from the dead; He ascended into Heaven, sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen


Or in the words of the Nicean Creed: "... And He [Jesus] shall come again in the glory of the Father to judge the living and the dead; and of His kingdom there shall be no end...."

Uzbek read some more comic books.The law enforcement bodies of Daghestan arrested another chief of Karamakhi religious extremists-Wahhabites.


A citizen of Karamakhi village, Buinaksk region, Ismail Dzhankhuvatov, who was on a federal wanted list, was arrested on July 1 in Makhachkala during the operation-investigative measures being taken within the framework of the criminal case being investigated by the prosecutor's office of Daghestan concerning the arrest of people who participated in hostilities in August-September 1999 in the Kadar zone (Karamakhi-Chabanmakhi). One grenade with a fuse and 12 cartridges were found and withdrawn during the inspection of his flat.


Lieutenant Colonel of militia, head of the operation and criminal investigation department for combating grave crimes perpetrated against social security under the Interior Ministry of Daghestan, Akhmed Suleimanov told RIA Novosti that Ismail Dzhankhuvatov was on the list of people who took an active part in hostilities in Karamakhi. The investigation group possesses a photo on which he is taken near his elder brother under the nickname "Colonel" who also was on a federal Wanted list.


According to data received by RIA Novosti, as of today Lieutenant Colonel Suleimanov arrested 112 participants in Karamakhi hostilities. Some of them are under investigation, criminal cases of others have been transferred to courts, and sentences have been passed on almost 70 cases.

Chechen Suicide Bombings Kill at Least 37- My Yahoo! - News

By the Grace of Allah Most High, I'm gonna take my calculator and multiply all these number by 50!

By L'menexe ( - 152.163.204.191) on Monday, July 3, 2000 - 01:21 pm:
>if there IS a "god" he is NOT the vengeful
>creature that Antonio is.
>why? because I BLOODY WELL _SAY SO_.

So you are the determiner of Truth? Typical atheist arrogance. In fact, it is written "The Most High Himself hates sinners, and upon the wicked he takes vengeance." (Ecclesiasticus 12:7)

Ecclesiasticus Chapter 16:
7 In the congregation of sinners a fire shall be kindled, and in an unbelieving nation wrath shall flame out.
8 The ancient giants did not obtain pardon for their sins, who were destroyed trusting to their own strength:
9 And he spared not the place where Lot sojourned, but abhorred them for the pride of their word.
10 He had not pity on them, destroying the whole nation that extolled themselves in their sins.
11 So did he with the six hundred thousand footmen, who were gathered together in the hardness of their heart: and if one had been stiffnecked, it is a wonder if he had escaped
unpunished:
12 For mercy and wrath are with him. He is mighty to forgive, and to pour out indignation:

from Chapter 35:

22 And the Lord will not be slack, but will judge for the just, and will do judgment: and the Almighty will not have patience with them, that he may crush their back:
23 And he will repay vengeance to the Gentiles, till he have taken away the multitude of the proud, and broken the sceptres of the unjust,
24 Till he have rendered to men according to their deeds: and according to the works of Adam, and according to his presumption,
25 Till he have judged the cause of his people, and he shall delight the just with his mercy.

From the Song of Moses (which begins in Deuteronomy chapter 32): The Lord God said "I will sharpen my flashing sword, and my hand shall lay hold of my quiver. With Vengeance I will repay my foes and requite those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall gorge itself with flesh - with the blood of the slain and the captured, flesh from the heads of the enemy leaders." "Exult in Him, you heavens, glorify Him, all you angels of God; For He avenges the blood of his servants and purges His people's land." (Deuteronomy 32:41-43)


>AND ANY ONE OF US ARE EQUALLY AS QUALIFIED, AS
>HE IS, to speak for the alleged 'god'.

What makes you qualified to speak for a God you do not know?

>ancient books are ancient books [take your pick]
>and that's _all_ they are.

So what then are modern books? Does the content of a book somehow lose its value with age? Sounds like you are an age discriminator. Are you also a proponent of mandatory euthenasia for the elderly?

>may they provide solace
>and comfort for those of sincere faith,

That is correct, but what do you use for solace? drugs? Masturbation?

> but to
>suggest they are 'reality', much less
>_contemporary_ 'reality', is a fool's game.

It is you who are a blind fool denying reality.

>or, in Antonio's case, the game of a singularly
>_twisted_ individual.

To be libeled by you is an honor for me. I would not be able to live with myself if I were the kind of person to whom you would offer praise and adulation.


>why? BECAUSE I SAY SO.
>and YOU CAN SAY THE SAME! OR NOT!
>agree, or disagree with me. okay?

Then why don't you just shut up if it doesn't really matter to you? Woe to you, fraud!

>and if you disagree, i wont condemn you and all
>of your 'kind' to burn in an imaginary, mind
>you, IMAGINARY "hell"

Yet you condemn me for disagreeing with you. What a dung-eating phoney you are.

>and _that_ is what FREEDOM is.

How could a gutless cowardly slave like you know anything about freedom? When did you ever fight for freedom?

Antonio a old Greek once told me that Constantinople will be reclaimed as the center of Orthodox faith.Is this mentioned in Revelations?Could you please give me links to that effect and Revelations in general.Thanks