Why would he do that I have never argued with him. I think it was the piece of shite Faulkner the Pedophile.I would love to get his adress so the Hells could bring him to the next party they are having.I'm still waiting for the mongoloid to give me an adress now that I have his picture which incidently I post on every board and you should see the reaction. They all ask who the nerd is and if the ears are real lol

"""The Sephardic and the Shas are SICK of these lazy pig eating depraved goyim"""

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Jake, I feel yo pain. The Shas a very, very Sick, indeed. Member of Shas?

No it was not technical because I tried password and name and it just refused, after change everything worked.Even with new format same thing happened.You see you got on with old handle, however I could not.Maybe Antonio was not banned either then,just technical.

Mary,
maybe L'menexe misinterprited this, which is pretty easy to..

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By haireemary ( - 208.49.238.132) on Tuesday, July 18, 2000 - 09:33 am:
MOTHER HEN LARRY

If IGOR, who has been one of the main stay elements of this board has indeed, been thrown off it is you that I hold responsible. Yes you, the DMS MOTHER HEN, who planted the seeds of banishment. Remember back some time ago when you were threating to become the sight administrator and bragging that your going to throw this one or the other off this board who didn't conform to your logic or who has offended your sensative feelings? I do and I'm sure others here do as well. It is you who has weaseled your way into and brown nosed the sight administraor so that you can blow the whistle and rat out those who bring diversity to this board and which may be contrary to your views.

Just wondering who the farc do you think you are to try to cast judgement on others?

Alenn
"those that are not with us are against us"

Milosevic? Ha! It's more complex than that.
It's Nato fault if there is 1200 civilian death under theyr bombs. But...
It's milosevic's fault if he is so stupid to let Nato do it. He wanted to play the little Sadam Hussein, so he did.

Don't generalize and don't say that former Varshaw pact countries are forced to be allied. All these countries are queuing and Nato is very slow to allow them in.

"...Plus, continuing NATO frolicking on the Ukrainian territory (and this is CIS, so far) - joint maneuvers and the Canadian Embassy playing midwife, - are not encouraging (to say the least) for accepting NATO as a friendly entity. "

Why?
And if Putin decided a join manoeuvre with Nato? He!?

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THX
"The only question is not if NATO will attempt to invade Russia, but when. "

And how many soldiers will nato need to occupy and control Russia's 17,074,984 Km² (6,592,658sq miles) while it couldn't even find enough men to ensure the security in the tiny Kosovo 17,000 times smaller?

If you have more absurdities to post, please go ahead. DMS is here for that!
___________

Igor,
Zhiri was right: Thanks to the greenhouse effect triggered by the american capitalist foolishness, Russia will get richer and richer while the US will drown under floodds of water.
You'd better come back live in Russia!

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB31/07-03.htm Gonzo check this out

DIMI:

He most certainly did misunderstand. Non-the-less I stand by my position in so much as there was never any previous discussions of anyone being banished from here until he broached the subject. Hence, I consider him to be indirectly responsible for any such actions which may be applied yesterday, today or tomorrow. Thanks for your input in enabling me to clarify.

Fred that last post of your's is foolish.Did you not read Ramboullet agreement? What was SM supposed to do let Nato in to all of FRY?

And on the other board the action is fast and furious

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Plutonas And Peter
Zink - Jul 18, 2000 06:04 (*.aol.com)
I agree that we cannot continue to be represented on this site by the likes of Super_Serb militants and feverish nationalists like Marie and ISA.

There's nothing wrong with Kim's post,
even if she pretends to be who she isn't, her post is decidedly pro-Serb and fair.

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Marie - Jul 18, 2000 09:00 (*.fl.us)
Zink,

Now that was a strange post with some odd comments!

Zink>

I agree that we cannot continue to be represented on this site by the likes of Super_Serb militants and feverish nationalists like Marie and ISA.

Marie>

ISA and I are nationalists? For what NATION or NATIONALITY might I ask???? Of course, comrade totalitariannaziswine, you MUST at all costs shut people up who don't fit the "politcally correct" bill of nwo goods.

Zink>

There's nothing wrong with Kim's post, even if she pretends to be who she isn't, her post is decidedly pro-Serb and fair.

Marie>

Right you'd rather have a liar and a fake on your side, even if she thinks nothing of siding with Serb enemies against those who are pro-Serb.

Do yourself a favor and NEVER fight in a war because if you want to surround yourself with cowards and fakes you are DEAD meat!

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kim - Jul 18, 2000 09:25 (*.screaming.net)
i have never lied here as you well know moronmarie.as for me being a fake, what exactly is it that i am supposed to be faking?i asked that to your little friend rob and he was unable to answer, but whats new there.


as for being a coward, i am far from being that.do you think mouthing via a computer makes you brave?

you are a very stupid ignorant person and ANY person who would think having you on their side is good needs their head looked.

people like you are merely laughed at and dismissed.

you are the PROVEN liar and fake here.
i have never pretended to be anything and therefore cannot be exposed as a fake.my views have stayed solidly the same throughout my 15 months here.


as for me siding with serb enemies, i have never supported any serb enemies in their views about serbs, thats yet another of your lies.
though i see that you joined in the fun with taz regarding me having 4 germans, you were stupid enough to think it was me who posted that even though it had tazmans australian ip.i suppose being so stupid that was inevitable.

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Marie - Jul 18, 2000 10:06 (*.fl.us)
Kim,

I am going to give you a limited amount of time to respond to you because I have other things to do than to go on and on and on forever back and forth with you. Even this poster himself admitted that you are a fake and so did Serbius.

And not only did you make nice with Tazfaggot and Sranjo Tudjo, you made nice with Pissface all in the effort to act against us!

ENOUGH SAID and you know yourself that is NOT a lie and your good friends Jewcore and Budro have been worse than anyone in courting Serb enemies like Pissface to go against us.

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kim - Jul 18, 2000 10:11 (*.screaming.net)
a fake what???
and your time is sooo limited always when someone refutes your accusations.
but you are here all day every day.

this discussion (?) with you is finished as far as i am conserned.
you are a fake that has been proved by a number of people here.
and ofcourse you are well known as a liar.
nuff said 😉

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kim - Jul 18, 2000 10:39 (*.screaming.net)
and Zink, i didn't really get the impression from what you said that you were implying that i was a fake, but if marie is right, then i at least would like to know what it is regarding faking that i am being accused of.
anyway, i am glad that you were able to see that my post was 100% about serbs and nothing to do with jewish propaganda as isa and marie claim.
most of their claims are so ridicuous anyway, they are not worth comment.
but you are right when you say that these are not the sort of people who paint a good picture of any cause, anyone who thinks otherwise must certainly be an imbecile and therefore not worthy of response.

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Zink - Jul 18, 2000 11:36 (*.aol.com)
I did not imply that you are fake,

"even if she pretends to be who she isn't, her post is decidedly pro-Serb and fair."
is what I said:
I have spent 11 days at the London demonstrations against the NATO tyranny of my people, and guess what,

the number of English demonstrators have in some instances outnumbered us Serbs many-fold.
Being close to us, sharing their food with us, giving us tremendous support.
I can't possibly take your side Mari in this issue, 'cos I know different from my first hand experience.
Slagging off British people is an awful mistake to make.
Majority of british people disagree with this slymy governments external policies.

Division about joining European union is a good example.

Fred,
About invasion of Russia..THX is going mad, forgetting about the our nuclear arsenal. Who knows, maybe Antonio turned him Catholic and THX is just doing what any good'n'new Catholic must do, in accordance with the SECOND SECRET OF FATIMA, he MUST convert Russia from Orthodox to Catholisism. BTW, I think that was the main reason for Antonio to even be here, if the was no secret of Madonna of Fatima, he would've never given a fuckk about Russia or Russians.

About Zhirik..I dunno what your original argument was but one thing the Mad Vlad was right about is that the so-called "help" from IMF doesn't Russia any good but instead creates a bigger debt. And, as Putin stressed out on numerous occasions, the real help from the West can only come in a form of letting Russia to become a trading partner.

I see l'menexe's area of responsibility now even covers the future. It's growing...

The Spokeswoman for the UN Mission in Kosovo Susan Manuel says the UN is
"aware" of Gen. Ceku's history and the accusations against him but
placed him at the head of the KPC "because he was the leader of the KLA
when we arrived, and he wanted to contribute to the transformation of
the KLA to a constructive force for the future of Kosovo." This
configuration is largely the work of Washington. At nearly every turn in
the UN/NATO negotiations with the KLA over their role in the "new"
Kosovo, American officials swooped in to appease Gen. Ceku and his KLA
cronies by making changes to key principles to agreements. In one
instance when NATO negotiators were at a standstill with the KLA over
its role in the future administration of Kosovo, then-State Department
spokesperson James Rubin came to the group's rescue, adding a clause
that said, "special consideration should be given to current KLA members
to participate in the administration and police force of Kosovo in
exchange for the help the KLA provided to NATO during its air campaign."
Rubin said he had "made the deal in his capacity of adviser to Secretary
of State Madeleine Albright." Such actions prompted Hansjoerg
Strohmeyer, legal advisor to UNMIK, to say, "The US stands to destroy
the neutrality of our mission if it insists upon these clauses."

It therefore comes as no surprise that upon word that Ceku may be under
investigation for war crimes, US officials told reporters that any
indictment of Ceku would be "sealed" and kept from the public. As for
the crimes of Ceku's KPC, UN spokeswoman Manuel, says, "As far as I
know, no one's been [criminally] charged with anything." This refusal to
prosecute those in the KPC who commit atrocities has in effect given the
go-ahead to a wider campaign of terror against Serbs and other
civilians.

In the year since US-led NATO forces assumed control of Kosovo, the
southern Yugoslav province has become a living hell for Serbs, Roma
people (Gypsies), Slavic Muslims and other minorities. Albanians have
gunned down Serbian children, fired rockets at UN buses repatriating
ethnic minorities, expelled thousands from their homes and businesses
and created a general climate of terror. According to the UN High
Commissioner for refugees, more than 200,000 ethnic minorities--mostly
Serbs-- have fled Kosovo since NATO troops marched in. UNHCR officials
have consistently said it is unsafe to return ethnic minorities to their
homes in Kosovo.

In tactics reminiscent of the US-backed death squads in Central America,
extremist Albanians have also made the Serbian Orthodox Church a major
target of attacks. According to the Office of the Patriarch, more than
100 churches and monasteries have been plundered, vandalized, burnt or
leveled to the ground by explosives since NATO arrived on the scene last
summer. Fourteenth century monasteries on the World Heritage List are
now 21st century rubble. Medieval churches robbed and bombed. Priceless
icons lay burnt and shattered. On the morning of Good Friday, St.Petka
Church near Kosovska Vitina was blown up. Orthodox nuns have been
molested. Not one person has been prosecuted for any of these crimes.

Washington's maneuvering to reward the KLA in the "new" Kosovo, has
forsaken human rights and ethnic tolerance to a desire to maintain a
close relationship with the forces it hopes to do business with for
years to come. By legitimizing Agim Ceku and thousands of other KLA
members by putting them in positions of authority, Washington is giving
ethnic cleansing a green light. Not criminally charging KPC members
sends a clear message to those in- and outside the KPC that crimes may
continue with impunity. It's not surprising that some of the worst
brutality against Serbs has occurred in the US sector of Kosovo. UNMIK
spokesperson Susan Manuel says, "there've been constant grenade attacks,
arson of Serb-owned homes and most recently we've had a spate of
drive-by shootings."

This is also the center-point of regular invasions
and assaults in Serbia proper by a faction of the KLA. In mid-June,
British-led peacekeepers announced they had uncovered the largest cache
of illegal weapons in the year since NATO forces entered Kosovo. KFOR
said the weapons belonged to the KLA. In all, they found 4 massive
underground bunkers in the village of Klecka, which is a former KLA
stronghold west of the provincial capital Pristina. That area was under
the direct control of Gen. Agim Ceku during the bombing. According to
KFOR, the weapons and equipment in the first two bunkers alone was large
enough to fully outfit two heavy-infantry companies, eliminate the
entire population of Pristina and destroy 900 - 1,000 tanks. These
bunkers contained tripod-mounted heavy machine guns, hundreds of rifles,
mortars, rocket propelled grenade launchers, anti-tank and
anti-personnel mines, flak jackets, large quantities of ammunition and
communications equipment. The weapons and ammunition were manufactured
in a number of countries including the United States, Albania,
Yugoslavia, and China. Kosovo remains a ticking timebomb, with the
trigger increasingly controlled by NATO and its proxy institutions in
the province. The violence escalates daily, with no foreseeable end to
the horror.

This "new" Kosovo is the face of what Noam Chomsky has termed the "new
military humanism". Wasn't the world told by President Clinton that the
bombing and occupation of Kosovo were about stopping ethnic cleansing?

The terror there today is carried out not under the watch of Slobodan
Milosevic, but that of the US and its European allies. Every child that
is gunned down, every person that is expelled, every church that is
blown up, is a cry for an end to NATO's "humanitarian interventions".

Jeremy Scahill is a reporter for Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! He
reported daily from Yugoslavia during and after the 78-day NATO bombing.
He was on the ground in Kosovo during the NATO occupation last summer.


Common Dreams. www.commondreams.org

http://www.commondreams.org/views/071900-107.htm

Washington's Men In Kosovo:
A Year After the NATO Occupation,
Terror Reigns
by Jeremy Scahill

Earlier this year, the United Nations Interim Administration in Kosovo (UNMIK) held a ceremony at its headquarters in Prizren to swear in some 58 new members of the UN-installed disaster response service, the Kosovo Protection Corps (KPC). The ceremony opened with an address by the UNMIK administrator for the region. His remarks were being translated into both Serbian and Albanian in keeping with the rhetoric of UNMIK that Kosovo is to remain a multi-ethnic society and the KPC an agency of a "multi-ethnic character" that prohibits "discrimination against any person on grounds of race, sex, color, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or ethnic or social origin."
But, in the midst of the UN official's remarks, members of the KPC--all of them Albanian-- disrupted the ceremony and walked out of the room in protest of the Serbian translation. According to a report from the Kosovapress agency, "their family members and the Albanians who were present at the ceremony greeted their action with applause." The KPC members only returned to the ceremony after they were assured the event would continue exclusively in Albanian.

Shortly after this action, General Agim Ceku, Commander of the KPC took the stage amidst sustained applause. "Today you are becoming professional officers," he told the cadets. "Just as you knew how to triumph over all the obstacles and difficulties of war...this time too, you will emerge victorious."

Ceku is the former Military Chief of Staff of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) and the man handpicked by the US to head the KPC. Shortly after being appointed Commander of the Corps in September 1999, Ceku said, "We see the KPC as a bridge towards the future, from the KLA as a wartime organization towards a regular, modern army of Kosovo which will be achieved with the independence of Kosovo." UNMIK officials have stood shoulder to shoulder with Ceku as he has conveyed this aim to crowds.

But according to the UN directive authorizing the establishment of the KPC, "the Kosovo Protection Corps will have no role in defense, law enforcement, riot control, internal security or any other task involved in the maintenance of law and order." The KPC is to be "politically neutral."

On paper, the KPC is slated as a "civilian emergency service agency." It's tasks-providing disaster response services, search and rescue missions, and assistance in demining, as well as contributing to rebuilding infrastructure and communities."

The reality is that the KPC, consisting almost entirely of "demilitarized" KLA members, has become a US/UN funded 5,000-man terror squad in uniform with the not so subtle aim of creating an ethnically pure Kosovo. And the US and UN know it.

Early this summer UN Secretary General Kofi Annan told the Security Council that violent attacks by Kosovo Albanians against Serbs and other minorities "appear to be part of an orchestrated campaign." The Secretary General did not say who exactly is orchestrating this campaign. Perhaps that's because to do so would implicate the KPC.

An internal UN report prepared for Annan and leaked to journalists earlier this year accuses the KPC of "criminal activities, killings, ill-treatment/torture, illegal policing, abuse of authority, intimidation, breaches of political neutrality and hate speech."

It details KPC officers using torture to obtain confessions, making death threats, demanding so-called protection "contributions" from ethnic minorities and business owners, kidnapping, etc. There are suspicions in the report that the KPC is running a forced prostitution ring.

The UN report also covers the incident in Prizren where KPC cadets protested the translation of the induction ceremony into Serbian. "It was the clear opinion of those present that this was a premeditated action," it said. "The speeches of General Ceku and that of the regional KPC commander were not those agreed upon in advance. The men spoke of the war and loyalty to the 'country.'"

This event and Commander Ceku's participation in it are categorized by the UN report as "Activities against minorities, including hate speech." They also violate the policy of the KPC that it "will exist to serve all of the people of Kosovo. It will be politically neutral."

This alone could be grounds for Ceku to be dismissed as Commander of the KPC, according to UN policy. But this infraction pales in contrast to Ceku's brutal past. A past the US knows well because it was influential in making Ceku one of the top "ethnic cleansers" in the Balkans, alongside Bosnian Serb leaders Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic. Ceku refined his brutality as a general in the US-backed Croatian Army during the Balkan war and was trained by Military Professional Resources Inc., a private paramilitary firm founded in 1987 and based in Alexandria, Virginia with former high-ranking US generals and NATO officials on its board. These officers include the former Commanders in Chief of the US Army in Europe and US Central Command, the Supreme Allied Commander-Atlantic and the former US Representative to the NATO Military Committee. In 1994, armed with a contract authorized by the Clinton Administration, MPRI officially began to train Croatian forces.

Just months after MPRI arrived on the scene, Croatian forces carried out the notorious Operation Storm. In a brutal four-day blitzkrieg in 1995, these forces expelled some 200,000 Serbs from the Krajina region of Croatia after their villages were mercilessly shelled. Jane's Defense Weekly reported that Ceku was "one of the key planners" of the operation that the New York Times called "the largest single 'ethnic cleansing' of the war.

The criminal tribunal has been investigating Operation Storm for years. The Sunday Times of London recently reported that Ceku is also suspected by the tribunal of war crimes committed during raids he led in the south of Croatia in September 1993, when he was commanding the feared 9th Brigade.

War crimes investigators at the Hague concluded, "In a widespread and systematic manner, Croatian troops committed murder and other inhumane acts upon and against Croatian Serbs." Investigators also documented deliberate and indiscriminate attacks on civilians and civilian buildings, along with summary executions, as Croatian forces "committed numerous violations of international humanitarian law."

To date there have been no indictments at the Hague for crimes committed in Croatia. The US has refused to cooperate in the investigation and despite the fact that MPRI's members are almost exclusively ex-US military, information on its operations are unavailable to the public because it is a private corporation.

The Spokeswoman for the UN Mission in Kosovo Susan Manuel says the UN is "aware" of Gen. Ceku's history and the accusations against him but placed him at the head of the KPC "because he was the leader of the KLA when we arrived, and he wanted to contribute to the transformation of the KLA to a constructive force for the future of Kosovo." This configuration is largely the work of Washington.

At nearly every turn in the UN/NATO negotiations with the KLA over their role in the "new" Kosovo, American officials swooped in to appease Gen. Ceku and his KLA cronies by making changes to key principles to agreements. In one instance when NATO negotiators were at a standstill with the KLA over its role in the future administration of Kosovo, then-State Department spokesperson James Rubin came to the group's rescue, adding a clause that said, "special consideration should be given to current KLA members to participate in the administration and police force of Kosovo in exchange for the help the KLA provided to NATO during its air campaign." Rubin said he had "made the deal in his capacity of adviser to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright."

Such actions prompted Hansjoerg Strohmeyer, legal advisor to UNMIK, to say, "The US stands to destroy the neutrality of our mission if it insists upon these clauses."

It therefore comes as no surprise that upon word that Ceku may be under investigation for war crimes, US officials told reporters that any indictment of Ceku would be "sealed" and kept from the public.

As for the crimes of Ceku's KPC, UN spokeswoman Manuel, says, "As far as I know, no one's been [criminally] charged with anything." This refusal to prosecute those in the KPC who commit atrocities has in effect given the go-ahead to a wider campaign of terror against Serbs and other civilians.

In the year since US-led NATO forces assumed control of Kosovo, the southern Yugoslav province has become a living hell for Serbs, Roma people (Gypsies), Slavic Muslims and other minorities. Albanians have gunned down Serbian children, fired rockets at UN buses repatriating ethnic minorities, expelled thousands from their homes and businesses and created a general climate of terror. According to the UN High Commissioner for refugees, more than 200,000 ethnic minorities--mostly Serbs-- have fled Kosovo since NATO troops marched in. UNHCR officials have consistently said it is unsafe to return ethnic minorities to their homes in Kosovo.

In tactics reminiscent of the US-backed death squads in Central America, extremist Albanians have also made the Serbian Orthodox Church a major target of attacks. According to the Office of the Patriarch, more than 100 churches and monasteries have been plundered, vandalized, burnt or leveled to the ground by explosives since NATO arrived on the scene last summer. Fourteenth century monasteries on the World Heritage List are now 21st century rubble. Medieval churches robbed and bombed. Priceless icons lay burnt and shattered. On the morning of Good Friday, St.Petka Church near Kosovska Vitina was blown up. Orthodox nuns have been molested. Not one person has been prosecuted for any of these crimes.

Washington's maneuvering to reward the KLA in the "new" Kosovo, has forsaken human rights and ethnic tolerance to a desire to maintain a close relationship with the forces it hopes to do business with for years to come. By legitimizing Agim Ceku and thousands of other KLA members by putting them in positions of authority, Washington is giving ethnic cleansing a green light. Not criminally charging KPC members sends a clear message to those in- and outside the KPC that crimes may continue with impunity. It's not surprising that some of the worst brutality against Serbs has occurred in the US sector of Kosovo.

UNMIK spokesperson Susan Manuel says, "there've been constant grenade attacks, arson of Serb-owned homes and most recently we've had a spate of drive-by shootings." This is also the center-point of regular invasions and assaults in Serbia proper by a faction of the KLA.

In mid-June, British-led peacekeepers announced they had uncovered the largest cache of illegal weapons in the year since NATO forces entered Kosovo. KFOR said the weapons belonged to the KLA. In all, they found 4 massive underground bunkers in the village of Klecka, which is a former KLA stronghold west of the provincial capital Pristina. That area was under the direct control of Gen. Agim Ceku during the bombing.

According to KFOR, the weapons and equipment in the first two bunkers alone was large enough to fully outfit two heavy-infantry companies, eliminate the entire population of Pristina and destroy 900 - 1,000 tanks. These bunkers contained tripod-mounted heavy machine guns, hundreds of rifles, mortars, rocket propelled grenade launchers, anti-tank and anti-personnel mines, flak jackets, large quantities of ammunition and communications equipment. The weapons and ammunition were manufactured in a number of countries including the United States, Albania, Yugoslavia, and China. Kosovo remains a ticking timebomb, with the trigger increasingly controlled by NATO and its proxy institutions in the province. The violence escalates daily, with no foreseeable end to the horror.

This "new" Kosovo is the face of what Noam Chomsky has termed the "new military humanism". Wasn't the world told by President Clinton that the bombing and occupation of Kosovo were about stopping ethnic cleansing? The terror there today is carried out not under the watch of Slobodan Milosevic, but that of the US and its European allies. Every child that is gunned down, every person that is expelled, every church that is blown up, is a cry for an end to NATO's "humanitarian interventions".

Mary, L'men,
guys, call it quits, ehh?! Pretty please? With cream'n'sugar on top..Don't respond to me, just thinkabourit..