Dimitri, thanks foe the address. I didn't find it too interesting. Yea I saw the above post. He got an ax to grind. A bridge by the way is a military target.

Heres a thought. If an organization writes its own charter. Doesn't that same organization has the right to change it if they see fit. Does anyone dissagree. You probably see what I am getting at, its a reference to posts claiming NATO went against its own charter. By the way what part of the charter (what did it say) that was broken, just curious since I have never seen or read it.

Fred the Ramboullet agreement called for occupation of all of Serbia so in the end SM won because he only had to give up Kosovo.Also the ethnic cleansing of Serbs by KLA was going on for ten years before bombing and finally Serbs sent in army.Basically it was the same as Chechnya.Did you check the links I left earlier it shows Arab scum with cut off heads of Serbs in Bosnia. http://compuserb.com/wtimesad/wtimes02.htm Go to the Serb Cafe to get a better picture,good board but they have some Barnswein type idiots there who just like to provoke.

Fred here is Ramboullet agreement in whatever language you want

Gonzo Nato cannot attack only be defensive.Use the site http://www.37.com/ for search engine and find Nato Charter.They broke every single law when they attacked Serbia very unjust war.You might want to look at http://www.tenc.net/ for a whole lot of stuff on the subject.Check Mandel he is the University of York(TORONTO) who brought charges against Nato.

By Dimitri ( - 63.85.63.20) on Friday, July 21, 2000 - 06:14 pm:

Fred, that is for You, as well as for other defenders of NATO. This is a "cry" from A Serbian Cafe Board:

"""For all Non Serbians
I hate USA - Jul 21, 2000 16:58 (*.primus.ca)

Dimitri, there are ideals worthy to fight and die for. Are ethnic cleansing, chauvinistic mythology and hilarious chest pounding of mini-Stalin Milo among them? "I hate USA" - well, I can only wish him a good luck. He will need a lot of it.

Delenn "Comparison to Saddam is silly, - Milo wasn't attacking anyone"
Oh, realy!?
* Absolutely. Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia as distinct from Bosnia, etc., so it's an internal conflict.
``Yet again we face the abominable practice of 'ethnic cleansing' only a few years after it transformed the demography of Bosnia and Herzegovina. The Serbian authorities must halt such actions.''
* Albright's training works good on Annan. In view of recent info (right here on-board) it's mauvais ton to talk about "ethnic cleansing. And this same UN didn't authorize bombing in any way, did it?
He is responsible for the cause of the Nato agression on his land as to know, the half million poeple who fled kosovo BEFORE nato's first bomb drop.
So it's agression after all.
The Sunday Times and BBC2 ran: On Sunday, March 12, Britain's BBC2 television channel ran a documentary by Alan Little entitled "Moral Combat: NATO At War". The program contained damning evidence of how the Clinton administration set out to create a pretext for declaring war against the Milosevic regime in Serbia by sponsoring the separatist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), then pressed this decision on its European allies.
..."Any armed action we undertook would bring retaliation against civilians," KLA leader Thaci explained. "We knew we were endangering a great number of civilian lives."...
Dug Gorani, a Kosovo Albanian negotiator not tied to the KLA: "The more civilians were killed, the chances of international intervention became bigger, and the KLA of course realised that. There was this foreign diplomat who once told me, 'Look, unless you pass the quota of five thousand deaths you'll never have anybody permanently present in Kosovo from foreign diplomacy.'"...
..."When the official ambassador of another country arrives here, ignores state officials, but holds a meeting with the Albanian terrorists, then it's quite clear they are getting support."...
..."When the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), which co-ordinated the monitoring, left Kosovo a week before airstrikes began a year ago, many of its satellite telephones and global positioning systems were secretly handed to the KLA, ensuring that guerrilla commanders could stay in touch with NATO and Washington. Several KLA leaders had the mobile phone number of General Wesley Clark, the NATO commander."...
...KLA military leader Agim Ceku says, "The cease-fire was very useful for us, it helped us to get organised, to consolidate and grow."...
...The BBC has obtained confidential minutes of the North Atlantic Council or NAC, NATO's governing body, which state that the KLA was "the main initiator of the violence" and that privately Walker called its actions a "deliberate campaign of provocation". It was this covert backing for the KLA by the US which provoked Serbia into ending its cease-fire and sending the army back into Kosovo. ...
**I didn't read the Rambouillet agreement (too long). Did he have to let the KFOR in all Serbia?
* Yes. And: ... They presented an ultimatum that the Serbian government could not possibly accept, because it demanded a NATO occupation of not just Kosovo, but unrestricted access to the whole of Serbia. As Serbian General Pavcovic comments: "They would have unlimited rights of movement and deployment, little short of occupation. Nobody could accept it." ...
Albright told the BBC: "If the Serbs would not agree [to the Rambouillet ultimatum], and the Albanians would agree, then there was a very clear cause for using force."
Rubin added: "Obviously, publicly, we had to make clear we were seeking an agreement, but privately we knew the chances of the Serbs agreeing were quite small."
Veton Suroi, a political rival of the KLA involved in the talks, gives a candid description of Albright's message to Thaci: "She was saying, you sign, the Serbs don't sign, we bomb. You sign, the Serbs sign, you have NATO in. So it's up to you."
Is Nato right? Let's say no. It doesn't mean that Milosevic is right.
* I'll reply to Your last NATO apology this way: "Yes, I raped her, but she made me do it wearing a short skirt!"

"Any armed action we undertook would bring retaliation against civilians," KLA leader Thaci explained. "We knew we were endangering a great number of civilian lives."...

Wouldn't that be an appropriate statement for Russian guerrillas (partisans) during WWII, too?

What are you talking about mask?

Mask, You wouldn't miss an opportunity to whitewash NATO on this even a little.
Yes, but there are "subtle" differencies, though, it was (You're right) the WWII and not a KLA separatist gang, it was driving the Nazis out and not a deliberate (as working means of achieving a goal) framing of non-cambatants.

I doubt that for Kosovars freedom is of lesser value than for anyone else. Of course, there always are subtle differences, like - Serb paramilitary is so easy to frame, for instance. SS claimed the same - "partisans are mixed with civilian population, there is no way to differentiate". We prosecute those guys anyway.

Ah the smell of Russian gunpowder in morning.

Time to wrap up this Chechnya business.
Relocate all the Chechen females to Gastroma and put all the Chechen males to sleep.

Ah the rhythm of the rumbling rockets raining on the rebels in the rayons.

I doubt that for Kosovars freedom is of lesser value than for anyone else.
* Agree. But K.-Albs enjoyed the same freedom and independence as Chechniya after the first campaign there.
* Agree. But what breeds paramilitaries? A reaction to action. Wasn't/isn't KLA the paramilitary as well? And aren't its post-bombed Kosovo "activities" indicative that the "West" was either overenthusiastic and naive in percepting them as innocent sheep, or was deliberately exploiting the innocent sheep image?
P.S. And as I mentioned - it was and is internal matter of Serbia. Anyways, if it were nuclear (like RF, China, India, Israel, North Korea especially) - noone would contemplate bombing it, period.

By Delenn ( - 192.114.47.50) on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 01:29 am:
Delenn "Comparison to Saddam is silly, - Milo wasn't attacking anyone"
Oh, realy!?
* Absolutely. Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia as distinct from Bosnia, etc., so it's an internal conflict.


Yes crafty Jewess,

If we now apply the same distorted thinking, its like saying it was okay for Hitler to do what he did as the Jews were in Germany, therefore it was an internal conflict!

Incidently, your propaganda efforts are puerile and laughable - Thanks for the entertainment!