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By Mask ( - 208.216.242.146) on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 01:04 am:
"""Dimitri, there are ideals worthy to fight and die for. Are ethnic cleansing, chauvinistic mythology and hilarious chest pounding of mini-Stalin Milo among them? "I hate USA" - well, I can only wish him a good luck. He will need a lot of it."""

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"I'm just a Messenger", Mila Jovovich, rehersing for the role in a medieval epic, "The Messenger".
..heh. No, seriousely, Mask, what I am trying to say is that this boy has been there, and though he may sound confused to some(himself included), he's lived there and maybe he has a reason for such a cry-song.

As for Milo, I might not personally be fond of him, but Delenn came up an anology to Stalin. I, as someone, whose relatives has contributed in a fight against the nazis, thought it was a pretty good analogy.

Fred I was going to tell you appendix B but forgot sorry.Delenn SM won in the sense that he held out on the Ramboullet Agreement and negotiated only loss of Kosovo.Sure he lost Kosovo but he would have lost it anyway.

Delenn,

I-hate-american is stupid, not because he wants to defend his land or because he hates americans (this is understandable) but because he loves Milosevic (whom he blame for the loss of his house by the way).
Did the russians you are talking about, start loving Stalin because hitler attacked theyr land?
They fought against german but they kept hating Stalin before, during and after.
But the comparison is good.

* Place stresses carefully on this - it's not KFOR - it's NATO. Quite a difference.

Isn't Kfor supposed to include exclusively Nato forces?

Anyway Nato demanded that serbian forces be removed from Kosovo. If he had done it, Serbia wouldn't have been bombed.
The bomb rain stopped just when the serbian army and police left Kosovo.

"Why should Milo (widely) "compose" with the West?"

Because it's the role and the duty of a government. Serbia is located in Europe. Not only the US are the west but Europe too.
They have a foreign affair ministery for that.
No country in the world can ignore its neighbourgs.
He has to compose with the west because he IS in the West.

"Yes, with his non-combatant population held hostage to the bombing. A blackmail, in short. "Go out of Kosovo, " "blackmail worked perfectly "

Absolutely not. The blackmail didn't work at all.
Milosevic didn't rise an eyebrow while the civilian casualities were growing. He watched his population suffering with a smile during two months while he had the power to give up Kososvo and stop the nightmare.
On the countrary, he was too happy of the serbian civilian casualities. It was blessed bread for his propaganda. The more poeple would die, especialy children, the more he would appear as a defender for his nation, the right guy, the patriot and his foe evil.
Milosevic capitulated only when he didn't have the material possibility to keep the Kosovo.

Igor
"SM won in the sense that he held out on the Ramboullet Agreement and negotiated only loss of Kosovo.Sure he lost Kosovo but he would have lost it anyway. "

Everthing was about Kosovo and nothing else. He lost what nato wanted him to loose.

SM: short for "Sa Majesté"

... but because he loves Milosevic ...
* A heated voice amidst the wholesale demonization, when everybody in the damn World (courtecy irresponsible "freedom of press", which is as free as any could be "free" from a respective govt.) can't be taken as a cool statement. And, besides, if ... hates americans (this is understandable) ... , why not unite with the person (Milo), defiant towards americans?
Isn't Kfor supposed to include exclusively Nato forces?
* Isn't. Keep in mind - RF wasn't part to the bombing spree.
Anyway Nato demanded that serbian forces be removed from Kosovo. If he had done it, Serbia wouldn't have been bombed.
* The Rambouillet Appendix was attached immediately after the Serb delegation agreed to the terms of withdrawal, so that they wouldn't sign it.
Because it's the role and the duty of a government. Serbia is located in Europe. Not only the US are the west but Europe too.
* Woah! Serbia was/is not part to any agreement (NATO, EU membership, etc.) to demand conformation of it. "I'm the President and I want to conform to RF. Do I deserve sanctions, bombing, etc.? As leader of a recognized sovereign state I am free to conform to anything I choose, not others." Or is Serbia a political colony?
They have a foreign affair ministery for that.
* To work on foreign relations - not on buttlicking.
No country in the world can ignore its neighbourgs.
* Sure, but Serbia, waging an internal anti-terrorist, anti-succession campaign, got bombed exactly contrary to Your words. Instead of helping Serbia in crushing of KLA and its drug-funding (and other grand criminal activity which is of concern to European law enforcement) same Europe helped to convert Kosovo (Bosnia) into a khattab playground with related activites thereof.
Milosevic capitulated only when he didn't have the material possibility to keep the Kosovo.
* He had and has it. 13 tanks knocked out by bombing is nothing. The Army was/is intact. Hence keeping terrorizing of Serbian non-combatants. Milo lacked air-power and modern air defence (this is changing now). NATO knew they would fail grand on the ground. (And NATO set a precedent for others and lost ground of accusing of possible others, if those others decide to crash opponents using same tactics, he-heh!)
Everthing was about Kosovo and nothing else. He lost what nato wanted him to loose.
* So we are talking of NATO as an agressor and master of redrawing others' borders, helping all the trash (KLA, drug traffickers, khattabs, fundies, etc.), all that "humanitarian" BS aside, aren't we? Yeah, I agree, NATO succeded on this.

Fred who died and left US in charge.Serbia got villified because they want nothing to do with IMF,Nato or any US led organizations.I repeat they were defending the rights of all people of Kosovo from KLA bandits.There were alot of Arab and Chechen mercenaries fighting there. http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a397b06071881.htm just to back up statement about Arabs.The same thing is going on in Chechnya.Serbis is a sovereign country and does not have to do anything anyone tells them.Just because Europe has EU does not mean the Serbs want to join.Again I will tell you that SM won because Nato would have occupied all of Serbia.Read appendix B carefully.

Fred the link is on Bosnia but same thing going on there also.

The crafty little Jewess hasn't got anything better to do today, so her futile propaganda efforts are in full swing.

By Fred:
"""Did the russians you are talking about, start loving Stalin because hitler attacked theyr land?
They fought against german but they kept hating Stalin before, during and after. """

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Fred, this is non-sense: the point of the argument was that whatever happen there was internal matter and ethnical cleansing was to say the least, mutual (i.e.Serbs in Kosovo were being "cleansed" for about 10 years AT LEAST). People of Yugo were absolutely right staying by Milocevic wether they agreed with him or not. It is called defending you own country form the agressor, if you can understand whatt that means. Milo might've been softer on K.Albanians, but it doesn't chance the point - it was internal matter, just like Chechnya for Russians and you don't see NATO intefering into this one, do you. Why don't you sum it up, and think, think about f***ed up actions of yo so-loved NATO. I know you like McDonalds [wink], but that doesn't mean that the country that had franchices on that terrritory has a right to attack it[joke]. As one here
said, Kurds were being killed left and right in Iraq, but NATO never did anything about it until the US personal interests became in stake: Sadam invaded Quwait..

calm down, Dr. Conrad Goebbels..

*And, besides, if ... hates americans (this is understandable) ... , why not unite with the person (Milo), defiant towards americans? "

Because, he is a looser. The more he rules the more FRY is shrinking. Now he's gonna lose Montenegro.

* The Rambouillet Appendix was attached immediately after the Serb delegation agreed to the terms of withdrawal, so that they wouldn't sign it.

Why he had to sign? Withdrawal was enough. As we have seen. He might have not sign but to withdraw and it was OK.
Nato didn't want agreement but facts.

* Woah! Serbia was/is not part to any agreement (NATO, EU membership, etc.) to demand conformation of it. "I'm the President and I want to conform to RF.

Nobody ask FRY to join any of these organisations. There are too many candidates already. That a small country like Serbia doesn't want is no weight in the balance.
And to conform about what?

*The Kosovo crisis is FRY internal affair.

Four Hundreds of thousands kosovars fleeing to the EU via Italy (Member of Nato) is NOT Yugoslav internal affair. It fully involves Nato states.
Of course half a million of refugee out of FRY is not an internal problem for Milo.

* Sure, but Serbia, waging an internal anti-terrorist, anti-succession campaign, got bombed exactly contrary to Your words. Instead of helping Serbia in crushing of KLA and its drug-funding ...
*I repeat they were defending the rights of all people of Kosovo from KLA bandits.

Why Milo and his foreign deputy were not able to explain and demonstrate it to the west? If what you say is exact, how can they be so bad in diplomacy as to have a war with Nato instead of getting help from it?

*KLA and its drug-funding (and other grand criminal activity which is of concern to European law enforcement) same Europe helped to convert Kosovo (Bosnia) into a khattab playground with related activites thereof.
*There were alot of Arab and Chechen mercenaries fighting there.

That's especialy why Nato came in. To have control a little bit on this mess that obviousely Milo didn't have.
And also to be on the spot before and instead of the fundamentalists.
I said earlier that Nato came more against the Jihad than against Milo and his socialist party.
But nobody here wanted to devlop and I intend to raise the question on Serbian café.

* He had and has it. 13 tanks knocked out by bombing is nothing. The Army was/is intact.

If Milo said it on The state television, it must be excact! (LOL)
You know, he won't tell you kis army is/was completely destroyed...
Lolable

"""Four Hundreds of thousands kosovars fleeing to the EU via Italy (Member of Nato) is NOT Yugoslav internal affair"""

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Sure it is. Thanks to silly Milo, all "four Hundreds of Thousands" members of Albanian mafia(exagarration, of course, but you get the point), the most hated Mafia by majority of EU country for its barbaric ways, they are out of Yugo. Still fail to see how that would justify such unlawful agression. Did you know there's a common opinion in the US among NATO protesters, that it was a move from Clitnon's administration to get the attention away from the stained dress accident. Joke, of course..but you know what they say about jokes.

Fred the numbers of destroyed tanks came from Nato on the ground.Nato did not come for Jihad otherwise they would be helping Russia,they came for Trepica mines.Read http://www.tenc.net/ ervasi for info.Read any stories on that site by respectable DR's and professors for info on Balkan wars.Probably the best site and most are from west.As for explaining that they were defending from bandits did not matter as Nato has other agenda there.This war was a personal vendeta by the bitch Halfbright.Fred I am surprised that after such a period of time here and on Serba Cafe that you are still naieve about the situation there.