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(@svoloch)
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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20000313/wl/mdf58044.html

He definitely looks depressed, I wonder why.

Blea chevo-to ne poxozj on na Basaeva, mat' evo.


   
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(@svoloch)
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Da u kachan bol'shoi bol'no...blea y Chechencev nety takix chainikov. Mozjet gibrit?


   
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(@svoloch)
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Eto ya pro Radyeva govoru, oni gnidi vse na odno litco.


   
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(@balalaika)
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Russian cultural imperialism

Ukraine/Russia: War Of Words Rages Over Language

Russia is taking an increasingly harsh line over what it says are Ukraine's attempts to sideline the Russian language and discriminate against Ukraine's large Russian-speaking minority. Ukraine is replying in kind.

RFE/RL correspondent Askold Krushelnycky examines the two countries' verbal war.

Prague, 13 March 2000 (RFE/RL) -- Russia and Ukraine are engaging in an increasingly heated war of words about language.

The Russian government has criticized a Ukrainian policy aimed at making the use of the Ukrainian language mandatory for all state officials and increasing its use in schools. Russian organizations in both Russia and Ukraine have joined in the criticism.

Last week (9 March), hundreds of people in the west Ukrainian city of Lviv demonstrated to demand the closure of all Russian-language publications. In the capital, Kyiv, nationalists demanded that Russian be banned from official use and from television.

Last Friday, protesters from Russian Orthodox organizations picketed the Ukrainian embassy in Moscow. They demanded equal rights for the Ukrainian and Russian languages in Ukraine and what one of the organizations, the Christian Rebirth Union, called "equal rights for ethnic Russians on Ukrainian territory."

The upsurge in Russian concern follows Ukrainian proposals in the last three months to increase the use of Ukrainian in education and introduce Ukrainian language tests for state employees and officials. Russian-speakers are angry that they may not be eligible for some state jobs unless they learn Ukrainian. Some Russian community organizations in Ukraine have characterized the moves as an attack on Russian culture generally.

Last month, a Russian Foreign Ministry statement said the measures could infringe upon human rights and damage what it called "the cultural and linguistic environment." The statement said such actions in so sensitive an area as language usually have "dire consequences."

At the same time, Russian human-rights commissioner Oleg Mironov said that Ukraine's language proposals grossly violated international norms, particularly the European Convention on Human Rights, to which Ukraine is a signatory. He called he scale of language discrimination in Ukraine "massive and unprecedented."

In reply to the Russian charges, Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ihor Hrushko said that everyone in Ukraine had the right to choose his or her language of education. According to the Foreign Ministry, that is not true of Russia, where, it says, the country's large Ukrainian community has had very little official support for Ukrainian-language publications or activities.

In any case, said Hrushko, Ukraine was sure that its proposals were in accord with human-rights norms:

"We have already informed the Russian side that if this practice of groundlessly twisting the facts -- that is, the real situation concerning languages in Ukraine -- continues, then the Ukrainian side reserves the right to turn the matter over for independent assessment by the Council of Europe, the OSCE's (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) human-rights experts or other respected international bodies. We are absolutely convinced that we are in the right on this issue and we are ready for any international adjudication."

The language issue is an extremely emotional one throughout the former Soviet Union. Non-Russians point out that they were forced to use Russian in central and local government administration, in the workplace and in education. The use of a non-Russian native language was often portrayed by Soviet authorities as evidence of nationalism, and thousands were executed or sent to labor camps for trying to defend their native language.

Many Ukrainians, in particular, believe that during the Soviet era, Russian was used as a weapon against the national identity of non-Russian peoples. Under Soviet rule, Ukrainians found it much safer to use Russian. Besides, Russian was not only the language of opportunity in education and in the workplace but also the predominant language of literature and entertainment, including television and films.

Within Ukraine, there is a pronounced divide between the western and eastern regions in the use of language. Western Ukraine -- which was not incorporated into the Soviet Union until after World War II -- is predominantly Ukrainian-speaking. Eastern Ukraine was heavily russified during the czarist Russian empire and later under communism. The East also contains many of Ukraine's ethnic Russians, who make up about one-fifth of the country's 50 million inhabitants.

After Ukraine attained independence, Ukrainian became the state language and Ukrainian was introduced into more schools and institutes as the language of instruction. But one-third of the country's schools continue to use Russian, and much official business is still conducted in that language, and Russian-language publications and television programs abound.

Many Ukrainians say that their language needs to be boosted as an essential ingredient of national identity. They feel little sympathy for Russians who are reluctant to learn the language of the country they are living in.


   
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(@hwonwu)
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I don't get it, Balalaika, are you proud that your country discriminates Russians and violates international norms?


   
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Blair agrees with terrorism problem in Chechnya and solution to it


http://www.russiatoday.com/chechnyainfocus/news.php3?id=142036


   
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(@hwonwu)
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Your country is also a recond holder in coal miner's deaths. Are you proud of that too?


   
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(@hwonwu)
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record holder


   
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(@svoloch)
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Äëÿ íà÷àëà ÂÂÆ ïîîáåùàë âñåì óñòàíîâëåíèå íîâîãî ïîëèòè÷åñêîãî ðåæèìà, ïîèìåíîâàííîãî èì «âîåííî-ïîëèöåéñêîé äèêòàòóðîé» (ÂÏÄ). Íàñòóïëåíèå ÂÏÄ, ïî ìíåíèþ ÂÂÆ, ñîâåðøåííî íåèçáåæíî: «Âðåìÿ êîììóíèñòîâ è äåìîêðàòèè â íàøåé ñòðàíå óøëî íàâñåãäà». Âûáîð, ïî ìíåíèþ ÂÂÆ, ñóçèëñÿ äî äâóõ ëèö – åãî ñàìîãî è ÂÂÏ. «È íèêîãäà ïðåçèäåíòà Ðîññèè íå áóäóò çâàòü Ãåíà, Ãðèøà, Ýëëî÷êà!» — ïàòåòè÷åñêè âîñêëèêíóë ÂÂÆ. Ïîçàáûë, âèäíî, ÷òî â Ðîññèè íèêîãäà íå íàäî ãîâîðèòü «íèêîãäà».
×òî æå ýòî òàêîå — «ïîëèöåéñêèé ðåæèì, âîåííî-ïîëèöåéñêàÿ äèêòàòóðà»? Îêàçûâàåòñÿ, ýòî òî, ÷åãî õî÷åò íàðîä: «Åñëè íàðîä çà ýòî ïðîãîëîñóåò, ÿ áóäó äåëàòü òî, ÷òî õî÷åò íàðîä». À íàðîä, ñîãëàñíî Æèðèíîâñêîìó, õî÷åò «íå îáÿçàòåëüíî ÷òî-íèáóäü êðîâàâîå», íî âñå æå íåìíîãî êðîâè åìó õî÷åòñÿ. ÂÂÆ íàðî÷íî ñãóùàåò êðàñêè, âûñòóïàÿ â áåñïðîèãðûøíîì æàíðå ïîä óñëîâíûì íàçâàíèåì «Âû õî÷èòå êðîâè — åå åñòü ó ìåíÿ»: «Åñëè íàäî áóäåò ïðîëèòü êðîâü, ÿ åå ïðîëüþ, à âû, åñëè áîèòåñü, òî íå ãîëîñóéòå».
Ïî÷òè ïî ëåçâèþ áðèòâû èäåò ÂÂÆ, êîãäà ðàçãëàãîëüñòâóåò ïðî ÊÃÁ: «Âåçäå îòäåëåíèÿ ÊÃÁ, âåçäå îñâåäîìèòåëè», «ðåêè êðîâè ïðîëüþ. Äåñÿòü ìèëëèîíîâ ïîãèáíåò, ïÿòíàäöàòü, íî îñòàëüíûå 135 áóäóò æèòü íîðìàëüíî». Íó, âî-ïåðâûõ, åñëè 15, òî óæå íå 135, à 131. Íî ýòî ìåëî÷ü. Àðìèÿ ïðè ÂÂÆ áóäåò «òðè ìèëëèîíà, íå ìåíüøå». Òî åñòü â äâà ðàçà áîëüøå, ÷åì ñåé÷àñ. Åùå ìèëëèîí — â ÊÃÁ. Åùå ìèëëèîí — â ïîëèöèþ-ìèëèöèþ. Èòîãî — ïÿòü ìèëëèîíîâ. Ïîä ðóæüå âñòàíóò è ìåñòíûå âëàñòè – íèêàêèõ âûáîðîâ-ïåðåâûáîðîâ: «Âûáèðàòü íóæíî òîëüêî ïðåçèäåíòà, à ñðîê åãî ïîëíîìî÷èé óâåëè÷èòü äî 8 ëåò. Äâà ðàçà ïî âîñåìü — 16 ëåò – õîðîøèé ïåðèîä, ÷òîáû ïðîãðàììó ðåàëèçîâàòü. À åñëè õîðîøî ïîëó÷èòñÿ, òî ìîæíî è äàëüøå — îáðàòèòüñÿ ê íàðîäó, è íàðîä ïðîäëèò ïîëíîìî÷èÿ. Íàäî îòìåíèòü âñå íàöèîíàëüíûå îáðàçîâàíèÿ, ââåñòè 15 ãóáåðíèé ïî 10 ìèëëèîíîâ â êàæäîé. Ïðè öàðå íå âûáèðàëè ãóáåðíàòîðîâ è ñåé÷àñ íå íàäî âûáèðàòü. Íèêàêîé ôåäåðàöèè, íèêàêîé êîíôåäåðàöèè, óíèòàðíàÿ ñèñòåìà óïðàâëåíèÿ».

VOT BLEA KLOYNI...XOTEA CHECHENSCOV TOCHNO NE BYDET V ROSSIE...


   
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(@allamerican)
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Hairy Mary;

Was that another ex. Of a"satirical postings". HEHE!

”Lucrative contract” In Hairy language that means 2-for-1 blow-jobs for all neighbourhood Hispanics.

I thought I told you to hurry up and get your fat-hairy-bullet-riddled Ass off the streets and back into your cage. Bertha!

LMAO!!!!!!


   
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(@balalaika)
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RUSSIA THE DUMB

The Russian Orthodox Church understands that the system of tax collection must be improved, but gathering information about individuals without their consent breeches article 24 of the Russian Constitution. Although the clergy does not oppose the existing passport, pension and conscription apparatus, they suspect that the proposed tax collection system is harmful for the common people.

Russia’s Holy Synod has declared that, “many Christians revere their names given them at baptism as holy and consider it undignified to be given new numerical “names” by the government.”

Some priests are saying that acquiring an Individual Taxpayer Number (ITN) constitutes a sin, and unless believers repent, they would be denied Holy Communion. Although the Synod disapproves of such statements, its main concern is the symbols used in the new registration system, which has already been introduced in some places. The pilot social welfare cards feature three bar codes, each of which includes the number 6. Clergymen believe the codes contain the number of the Antichrist, 666, mentioned in the Apocalypse of St. John the Evangelist (13: 16-18). Having consulted with experts, the prelates have concluded that there is no great necessity to use these particular bars. Their conclusion is that “the authors of the global bar code system, widely used today in statistics, trade and many other spheres, have consciously or unconsciously chosen a symbol which is insulting and disturbing to Christians. At the very least, it looks like an outrageous mockery.”

Orthodox prelates suggest that the government get rid of the “blasphemous” symbol by “changing the international system of the symbols involved. If this proves impossible, we must create an alternative national electronic language”.

As Russian citizens, another aspect worrying clergymen is that, “Soon those who do not have a tax code or plastic card could be completely deprived of social and even medical aid. If this happens, there will be every reason to doubt the existence of equality and freedom of conscience, so actively promoted by modern civilization. Therefore we insist on having an alternative system of personal registration for social, medical, insurance and other aid”. Tomorrow (Friday), Gazeta.Ru will find out whether the Minister of Taxation Aleksandr Pochinok has been excommunicated for his blasphemous deeds.


   
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(@wanted)
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(so-called) "Chechen"

Are you also a recently released criminal like Bislan Gantamirov? I think folks like you should be included in the State Committee of Defence list (see my post of 10:19 am.) So what crimes did YOU get excused from for sucking up to the enemy?

THERE IS A HIGHER AUTHORITY YOU WILL ONE DAY ANSWER TO. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.


   
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(@khokhma)
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Balalaika, I dare you to stay on topic, i.e. talk about war in Chechnya only. No need to paste stupid articles about Russia, we all know what's going on there. After all, you don't see us posting articles about Ukraine, and there's a lot to post (Don't even ask, I am not stupid, like you are, to post articles. I can form and express my own opinions). So, let's see how long Balalaika can last without pasting any articles.


   
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(@allamerican)
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khokhma ;

How can you discuss the war in Chechnya without talking about Russia????


   
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(@balalaika)
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dear khohhna (?!!),

pasting articles does not preclude expressing my opinion (though I admit that they took too much space. next time i will be more economical). i agree that both article were off-topic, but i could not find more interesting topics in todays news about russia, which center only about that mentally challenged radueff.

yours balalaika

p.s. many thanks for not pasting article about the ukraine - even your threat scared me so much.


   
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