By Igor ( - 206.47.244.62) on Wednesday, March 29, 2000 - 12:17 am:
Big money will be flowing into Russia's pocket real soon.


Good! then I hope you people will stop begging from Israel. Shameless Russian goy.

sosi brata hui zaraza vonychi'ya Bernstein

Send the check Matthesson.hahahahaha

Top Turkish rights activist back in jail

ANKARA, March 28 (Reuters) - Turkey's top human rights activist, almost killed by militant hit men two years ago, returned to jail on Tuesday to serve six remaining months of a sentence after being briefly freed on health grounds.

Akin Birdal was shot six times in the chest and leg in 1998 by nationalist gunmen who stormed the offices of his Human Rights Association (IHD). He still walks with a limp and needs regular hospital care.

``They did not accept my medical report,'' Birdal told reporters before walking into an Ankara prison.

He was sentenced to nine-and-a-half months in jail in June 1999 for ``inciting hatred'' in speeches calling for a negotiated end to Turkey's bloody 15-year conflict with Kurdish rebels.

In September his remaining sentence was suspended for six months on health grounds.

Turkey says it has all but defeated the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) after capturing rebel leader Abdullah Ocalan last year.

The European Union, which made Turkey a membership candidate in December, has urged Ankara to give its 12 million Kurds minority and
cultural rights. Ankara says that to give them special status would undermine equality.

05:04 03-28-00

After 1,000 years, terror forces Serbs out of their Kosovo village

The Independent
By Andrew Buncombe in Velika Hoca
26 March 2000

History sits heavily in the Serb village of Velika Hoca. In this ancient community close to Prizren in south-west Kosovo, there are 13 churches - stone-built, beautiful and full of priceless
treasures. The oldest, the 12th century St Nicholas's, is said to date back to before the Serb Orthodox Church was granted autonomy from Greece.

The village itself, set deep at the bottom of a sloping valley, is thought to be at least 1,000 years old. As with many things here, no one really knows for certain. But history may be about to change for ever. The Serbs of Velika Hoca fear that after a millennium during which their ancestors occupied this village and farmed the land, they will be the generation that has to abandon it. At least 600 of the original 1,400 villagers have left within the last 12 months. They are unlikely to return.

"This is the most modern prison in the world. There is nowhere else like this ," said Vidosav Cukaric, 52, principal at the village primary school. "We cannot even go 500 metres outside of our village. Nato protects us, but only in the village. We have freedom but we cannot do anything." They are trapped. Surrounded by Dutch troops, it is virtually impossible for them to leave the village without serious risk of being attacked by Albanians. Even the 40 or so
children who have passed primary school age can only go to secondary school in nearby Rahovec in an armed Kfor convoy. A truck picks them up and then returns them each day.

Apart from the teachers in the village school, no one has a wage-paying job. There is just one shop and the number of fields in which the farmers feel safe to work is not large. They survive on humanitarian aid.

So instead the people of Velika Hoca - one of the largest 100 per cent Serb communities left in Kosovo - spend their days idling away the time, sitting around in the village square, feeling increasingly resentful and bitter. Unlike the high-profile Serb community of Mitrovica, the Serbs of Velika Hoca receive no support from Belgrade.

"We feel terrible," said Mr Cukaric, sitting in the school staff room while the children thundered up and down in the playground outside. "We feel as though our own government has forgotten us. We feel we have been abandoned by everyone - by the Serb government, by Nato. The local people do not care for politics, all they care
about is survival."

Mr Cukaric and the other teachers believe they may last another year in such circumstances before they will be forced to leave - the majority to Serbia, some to Montenegro. Unable to sell their homes in Velika Hoca and with only the most basic personal possessions, they would find themselves on the bottom rung of Serb society.

"People are leaving from day to day," he said. "When there are only a little number of people left and we feel unsafe we will be collected from here. If the international community is unable to solve the problems and create a multi-ethnic Kosovo in a year we have no hope to stay here."

What is happening in Velika Hoca has been happening across Kosovo since the United Nations Mission In Kosovo took charge last
summer. Official estimates by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and the Office for Security and Co-operation in Europe
suggest that two-thirds of the 300,000 Serbs that were living in Kosovo this time last year have left. The inability to offer a safe environment for minority groups is seen as Nato's biggest failure in the province.

The anger of Kosovo Albanians that has been directed towards the villagers of Velika Hoca (two young men were killed while wood-cutting
on the edge of the village last October) may in part be based on the belief that these Serbs were responsible for the massacres in a number
of nearby Albanian villages. The villagers here deny that, insisting they only fought to "protect the village".

Either way the reprisals continue. Father Milenko, the village's Orthodox priest, who still holds services in eight of its 13 churches, said that a fortnight ago a church in a village in which he used to celebrate the Slavic liturgy was destroyed. "When man is having problems, the church is having problems," he said.

For all this, the thickly-bearded Fr Milenko, who has worked in the village for almost 15 years, is one of the loudest voices in favour of staying. "I have never thought about it and I would like to see a man who can predict the future. I am here and I will be here," he said.

"Humanitarian groups should be doing their jobs. I think it is their job to help people, not to help people to leave. Today another family left - a grandmother and two children. I don't think they will ever come back. Their family has been here for 500 years."

There are those who agree with the priest. Sasa Goci, 26, used to work as a mechanic in Velika Hoca and the surrounding villages, importing
parts from Serbia. Now, with no possibility of a job, he spends his time helping Fr Milenko and proudly showing the village's occasional
visitors around its churches.

At St Nicholas's, up a track on the edge of the village, Mr Goci opened the heavy wooden door with a vast hand-made metal key that he said was the original.

Inside it was cool and silent and there were ancient fading icons hanging from the smooth stone walls. "I will never leave the village," said Mr Goci. "I cannot understand why anyone would."

Right on Armenians!!!

Kick that Mohammedan butt!!!

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Azeris incur "considerable losses" in failed attack on Karabakh - agency
Snark
24 Mar 2000

Stepanakert, 23rd March: An attempt by the Azerbaijani diversional group to cross one of the northern sectors of the contact line on 21st March, controlled by the Nagornyy Karabakh armed forces, has been successfully cut
off.

As Snark news agency learnt in the Nagornyy Karabakh Republic Defence Ministry, the enemy, incurring considerable losses, was forced to retreat.

The press service noted that all in all at the contact line of the NKR armed forces and Azerbaijan the cease-fire regime is holding out, apart from the aforementioned incident.

2. Chirac Admits Role In French Senate Debacle

ISTANBUL (Noyan Tapan)French president Jaques Chirac has canceled his scheduled visit to Turkey to discuss a $4 billion military warplane deal with Turkey which was pulled back, reported the Hurriyet newspaper.

The Turkish Ambassador to France Syunmez Kyoksal was summoned to Elysee Palace, where he was presented with a protest letter from
Chirac which specifically said that, through the personal efforts and initiative of president Chirac, the Armenian Genocide issue was defeated in the Senate. The president, at European and especially at the EU Helsinki conference, stopped at nothing to support Turkey’s
candidacy to the European Union. Thus, the ease with which Turkey withdrew from a planned deal to sell warplanes to France was surprising and sad.

The Turkish press called Chirac’s letter threatening, adding that while Turkey-France relations were improving at a rapid pace, there are certain obstacles put forth by the French senate and the national assembly.

3. BP Accused of Backing ‘Arms For Oil’ Coup, Says Sunday Times

BY DAVID LEPPARD, PAUL NUKI AND GARETH WALSH From The [London] Sunday Times


*Political fallout: Lord Simon ran BP at the time of the coup

A secret intelligence report accuses BP, Britain’s biggest company, of backing a military coup which installed a ruthless KGB hardman in the
former Soviet state of Azerbaijan. Turkish secret service documents allege middlemen paid off key officials of the democratically elected government of the oil-rich nation just before its president was overthrown.

An intelligence officer says BP hoped for a better deal on oil concessions. He goes on to allege that it later consolidated its position with the new regime when the middlemen arranged to supply the incoming government with military equipment in an arms-for-oil deal.

Just months afterwards BP was handed the lead role in the consortium of western companies which now dominates the oil business in the
region. The £5 billion deal, described as the contract of the century, was signed by Haydar Aliyev, the newly installed president.

Aliyev’s arrival was welcomed by Britain and America, which have a strategic interest in securing oil rights. BP has close links to British
intelligence and employs several former MI6 officers. Aliyev is a former KGB chief; critics say he runs a repressive regime.

BP, which merged with Amoco in 1998 to create one of the world’s largest oil firms, admitted this weekend that it had been asked to pay a
$360 million (£235 million) bribe to the top Azeri official appointed by Aliyev to lead the oil talks.

But the company insists it refused to pay and denies any involvement in overthrowing elected governments or link to arms deals. It disclosed
that it has been conducting an internal inquiry into the allegations since learning of them earlier this month.

The Turkish intelligence document, a report on the alleged role of BP and Amoco in the events surrounding the 1993 uprising, claims the
companies were behind the coup in which president Abulfaz Elchibey was overthrown and some 40 people died.

The report says: As a result of our intelligence efforts, it has been understood that two petrol giants BP and Amoco, British and American
respectively, which together forms the AIOC [Azerbaijan International Oil Consortium], are behind the coup d’état carried out against
Elchibey in 1993. . .

The allegations follow disclosures three years ago that BP’s security contractors in a Colombia firm run by former SAS officers were involved in supplying military equipment and training to a section of the Colombian army accused of human rights abuses. The company admitted it had supplied equipment to the Colombian army but denied any wrongdoing. Last year it was
criticized by a Commons select committee for having too close a relationship with the Colombian army.

The latest allegations will embarrass Lord Simon of Highbury, Tony Blair’s former trade minister, who was BP’s group chief executive at the time of the coup. Despite Labor’s ethical foreign policy and Aliyev’s reputation as a hard-line autocrat, Blair gave him the red-carpet treatment when he visited London in 1998 to sign a friendship treaty and $13 billion (£9.5 billion) in contracts with BP and other British firms.

When Azerbaijan won independence after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the world’s oil giants moved in to target the spoils.

BP’s development teams flocked to Baku, the Azeri capital, which soon turned into a Wild West boomtown of intrigue and fast bucks where oil executives rubbed shoulders with local Azeri mafia.

To the east of Baku, oil laps on the rocks of the Caspian Sea, the discharge from abandoned drillings. Beneath these waters are at least
three oil fields with an estimated 200 billion barrels of high-quality crude oil.

The intelligence documents, which have been obtained by The Sunday Times from Turkish government files, are backed by a detailed
statement from a senior security official.

The agent described last week how he met with BP executives to discuss an arms-for-oil deal. He said the company had contact with intermediaries who arranged for the supply of arms to the regime.

The former Turkish military intelligence officer said he was at meetings in Baku where arms deals were discussed. Present in the meetings were representatives and what I understood to be senior members of BP, Exxon, Amoco, Mobil and the Turkish Petroleum Company. The topic was always oil rights and, on the insistence of the Azeris, supply of arms and mercenaries to Azerbaijan.

All oil company representatives, including those of BP, offered the president and prime minister of Azerbaijan help in their war against Armenia.

He named one of those present as Terry Adams, then a senior BP executive.

In 1994 BP and other firms signed the £5 billion oil production-sharing deal with Aliyev to exploit the Caspian sea.

BP sources conceded last week that some oil company representatives did discuss the supply of arms. But Adams denies he or BP were
involved. It would be alien to BP’s culture, he said.

Roddy Kennedy, BP Amoco’s spokesman, denies it paid any bribes and says the company never helped supply arms. However, he admitted
that the company had been asked by Marat Manafov, Aliyev’s right-hand man, to pay a $360 million bribe.

Six months ago Manafov disappeared after making allegations about the secret dealings of the Aliyev family with oil companies. Police in
his native Slovenia say they are investigating whether he may have been abducted or killed.

By Antonio ( - 209.239.213.91) on Wednesday, March 29, 2000 - 01:40 am:
After 1,000 years, terror forces Serbs out of their Kosovo village


HA! HA! HA! HA!

Where was the filthy Catholic church when serbs committted genocide? Where was the filthy catholic church when Hitler killed millions in the holocaust?

What goes round, comes around!

By the way that sick old pope STILL did not adequately apologize to the people of Israel.

Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

Lets hope they will be Armenian. They are good strong goy, they should work well as mules.

Kim,

Just because there are a couple of nice folks in Serbia should not deter one to brand it what it is - a renegade country which has started and inflicted some of the worst atrocities on civilians in the 20th Century.

Nations with a similar rap sheet have been dealt with in much the same way.

There is no place in Europe or in the civilized world for a nation which uses Rape and Genocide as a state Policy. Not whatsoever! And it makes want to puke to even contemplate any human being to support such policies. It's sick.

The aggressors in this particular conflict are clear…So why do you support them? Are you racist against Croats and Muslims? Do you prefer Serbs? Do you have ancestor ties with Serbia? What is it that makes you question the legitimacy of NATO actions in the face of such overwhelming proof?


How can you bring yourself to speak of Serb Civilian suffering. Have you forgotten that the Serbian Siege of Sarajevo! which lasted 3 years - 3 YEARS, Do you forget the shells landing in market places killing and maiming mothers and children 50 at a time for 3 Years? The Snipers lying in waiting for anyone to move for 3 YEARS?

So please, in respect of the dead, don't just brush the blame aside by saying the opposition groups in Serbia did this and that - and some families were against the war. I don't remember any apposition marches during the War - do you? The Marches and protests started well after the Kosovo operation was completed when it was clear that Serbia with Milosevic (or however you spell his name) is and will be considered a pariah state. In addition I distinctly remember thousands of Serbs marching in the street at the beginning of the NATO campaign holding concerts in support for the government.

The suffering of those barbarians is a small price to pay for all the pain, death and misery they have caused innocent civilians like you. And if they get out of line ever again … I will be fully in support of a bombing campaign which would set them back about 50 year. Maybe then we can see those opposition groups rise up once again.

Because, AllAm. they the civilians had no say and they are human beings, like you and I.
That is what "humanitarianism" is all about......

Read my post again, please...

Cause what I was saying is it shouldn't matter what nationality you are if you as a civilian are raped, tortured, watch your family die in front of you. You want whoever did it to pay for their crimes. All three sides in the Bosnian war commited atrocities. The perpetrators should be punished no matter which side they belonged to.


Gonzo, yeah funny:o), but you know what I mean.

Antonio and Berstein today- have a good one, you goys
Kim

Hi Dimitri,
good trip?

Igor,

"JUDGMENT!" proves LM was simply telling the truth. "JUDGMENT!" proves Penny Marshall lied. "JUDGMENT!" shows how Marshall produced the picture that fooled the world and justified a war."

Why wasn't it used as evidence?
The keyword was "deliberate" remember.

You and Allam. are representing two extremes:

"All Serbs are genocidal murderers".

and

"The press made it all up, the Serbs are being demonised"


Neither position is the complete Truth, this will only emerge with time. And then some cool heads are needed to make sure real justice is done.
Not sure where we will find those cool heads though in the present climate.

Kim

Fred,

Yes the war is still going on.
Did I understand you correctly, You are saying that there is a deliberate attempt to reduce oil prices to hurt the Russian economy?

Not quite related, but in the time that the so-called "troubles" have been going on in Northern Ireland, Germany has lost the 1stWW, got rid of the Kaiser, experienced a civil war, established the Weimar republic, gained another Dictator, lost another war, been divided and reunited. That is just to give you an idea of the timescale of one particular "ethnic" conflict.

Can anyone give us an idea how long other "terrorist campaigns" have lasted?

Kim

In Putin's words:

By the way, many have forgotten that, when NATO was being
created in the late 40s, the Soviet Union intended to become
its member. But we were not admitted. In response, we,
together with East European countries, formed the Warsaw
Treaty bloc, which no longer exists - as our reply to the
formation of the alliance.

Any Historians about, who would like to take issue with this?
It was my impression that the Soviet Union refused
to entertain the idea of accepting aid under the Marshall plan, or to allow any country within the Warsaw pact to do so either. They also failed to respect human rights and did not fullfil the criteria that Poland etc. have since fullfilled to join Nato

Putin also talks of abolishing the UN charter, cute considering they never ratified the thing in the first place. ( The declaration of Human rights section on which the rest of the UN charter is based)

Kim