Covert help through the IMF???

I know what you mean about the quagmire -- just like Uncle Sam was too afraid to go into Bosnia and Kosovo right?! LOL

Oh geese, this board is still wacked. I love how things get blown out of proportion over a little land called Chechnya. Some of you think this little war is the start of some kind of "jhiad-or whatever that is in essence a battle for world domination between muslems and cristians. I don't buy it. The US / NATO would never get involved in the war in Chechnya but some of you would like to think so. Its like thoes of you who kept saying that the whole NATO involvement in Kosovo would lead to WWIII. Face it Chechnya and Kosovo are just not worth the kind of world involvement as we seen twice this past 100 years. Yes they are areas of troubles but keep things into context you will not see the whole middle east rise up against Russia over Chechnya, why. Because it is not in the best intrest nor that important to other nations. Sure you might see a few religious raticals help , but nations no. Now you say, what about Afganastan, well maybe they have sent weapons (making some $$) but the government says it has not. In other words not giving much vocal support. The middle east is not united enougth to come to some common bond in which to get involved in Chechnya. Iran doesn't get along with Afganastan. Nobody gets along with Iraq. Egypt is too close to the west. Lybia is trying to normalise relations with the west not to mentions has ties to Russia. Face it Chechnya is just a quagmire for the Russians, will they "win" I don't know.

POP QUIZ for everyone, especially GONZO.

WHAT WAS THE NAME OF AN AMERICAN GENERAL?COLONEL? WHO WAS IN CHECHNYA TRAINING MUJAHIDEEN? IS THERE AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT? LINK? IMPORTANT!

General Halftrack?

5:11 claims Uncle sam is helping the russians, 5:45 the US is training the mujahahahjimmydean. Which is it or is the 5:45 post refering to the covert help the US gave to the Afgans (not in Chechnya but afganastan) during the Afgan/USSR. By the way US support ended kind of abruptly after that war which pissed the Afgans off.

GOOD CHECHENS AND RUSSIANS VS BAD CHECHENS

no, by earlier I mean like jan or feb on this board someone said that some retired am. general was teaching chechens in 1997 or something. damn.

Djali the Goat,
Nice post about Jihad the Crook!!
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Ultra Russian Nationalist
You are TYPING the URL everytime?! Why do you lose time typing? "Add to Favorite" is so simple...
So I was kind of right to call somtimes URL instead of URN.
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Dimitri
"Nasdaq Up"
Ah! At last... When will they stop rising interrest rates?
I lost $1500 on my optic fibers alone last week. I'm very upset...
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Igor,
I'm glad to see how you are moved by your new house. I'm building quite a big house myself.Could you tell me how big it is (in meters).
And how much cost granite pavement in the US. "tolko dla interesnbl..."
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ListKeeper!

APTY BATTLEOFF
not apt fo battle any longer.
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Hairy Mary
So you have three teeth left I thought it was just two!
BTW, how long odes it take for you to have beard like Basayev?
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By Gonzo ( - 208.23.220.30) on Friday, May 26, 2000 - 05:35 pm:
"Oh geese, this board is still wacked!"

You just arrived when the board started to roll up again. I'm going to answer to you soon...

I wonder what a retired Am general could teach them anyway. "OK Chechens hear is what you need to do, use your air-force to make surgical strikes on the Russians command and control bunkers, then take out bridges and communications , then send in the ground forces...what? You don't have an Airforce...thats OK use tommahaks...what? you don't have any high tec weapons....oh why am I hear again?

Gen Halftrack

Fred: 1300 sq meters and the granite costs about 10 sq foot so I guess about 30/sq meter.It used to be about 75/sq meter.I am laying down black granite with pinkish red veins in it,goes really well with Persian rugs.

Turkish parliament committee documents systematic torture in police stations

ASSOCIATED PRESS

ANKARA, Turkey, May 26 — A shocking report by a parliamentary human rights panel documents cases of torture in police stations across Turkey, contradicting government assertions that abuse is not systematic.


The six-volume report, obtained Friday by The Associated Press, includes photographs of torture cells with exposed electrical wires and bars from which prisoners are suspended.
The report comes as Turkey is pressing to improve its human rights record, a key condition that the European Union has set before seriously considering the country's admission into the group.
The government has repeatedly said that while cases of torture do occur, officers guilty of abuses are prosecuted and torture is not systematic. The parliamentary report, the result of a two-year survey by a 25-member commission, gives a far different picture.
It shows pictures of wooden poles placed under prisoners arms and used to suspend them in the air, metal bars used to beat suspects on the soles of their feet, and exposed electric cables found in rooms in which the walls were covered with black leather for soundproofing.
The commission, led by Sema Piskinsut of Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit's Democratic Left Party, said police stations sometimes appeared to have just been cleaned before its visits.
''In many cases they were hiding the evidence and showing us the wrong rooms,'' Piskinsut said.
She added that in the southeastern town of Batman, evidence of torture that was found during a 1998 visit was discovered again during a visit Friday.
Piskinsut said she will demand urgent meetings with the ministers of justice and interior, and a debate in parliament on the committee's findings.
Last year, Ecevit launched a campaign against torture that included surprise searches of police stations and quicker prosecution.
Excerpts from the panel's printed report were published Friday on the front page of Milliyet, a leading Turkish newspaper — the first time that the committee's findings have been made public in detail.
One suspect, who was arrested in 1998 in the southern city of Sanliurfa for stealing a tractor, said he was given electric shocks on his genitals during his interrogation at the local police station. Suphi Dildas also told legislators that he was hung from a ceiling by his feet and dropped on concrete.
The report said Dildas, who was interviewed in 1998, had bruises on his ankles, where he said he was tied, and on his head and forehead. He was also shivering as he spoke and was unable to stand without the help of friends, the report said.
The commission members spoke with more than 100 torture victims and said that the accounts of the victims matched evidence in police stations.
''Good morning!'' Husnu Ondul, president of the Istanbul-based Human Rights Association, said when asked about the committee's findings. ''We have been saying for years that torture is widespread and systemic in Turkey.''
Ondul said that 594 cases of torture, many involving Kurds and left-wing activists, were reported last year and that nine people died of torture.
Activists have said that doctors are often pressured not to report torture cases. Activists are calling for an end to detention periods in which suspects in most of the country can be held for four days without access to a lawyer. In the southeast, where soldiers are battling Kurdish rebels, detainees can be held for seven days without access to a lawyer.

By Kim Arx ( - 137.138.245.28) on Friday, May 26, 2000 - 06:02 am:
Dear Ultra Russian Nationalist,

Flattery will get you nowhere,dear.

How can one person be "ganging up" on someone?

Kim

I DID NOT REFER TO ONE PERSON. AND USUALLY WHEN SOMEONE IS GANGING UP, THERE ARE MUTLIPLE PEOPLES INVOLVED. YOU JUST PROVED YOURSELF STUPID.

"Hi Dima,Mary,Ultra,Fred,Gonzo how are you guys this fine morning? At my new place now."

IGOR, I AM FINE. I SEE YOU ARE AS WELL WITH YOUR COMFORT IN YOUR LUXURIOUS NEW HOME. ENJOY.

"Ultra Russian Nationalist
You are TYPING the URL everytime?! Why do you lose time typing? "Add to Favorite" is so simple...
So I was kind of right to call somtimes URL instead of URN."

I DONT LOSE TIME TYPING, I TYPE VERY FAST. MY NAME IS NOT URL, OR URN, ITS ULTRA RUSSIAN NATIONALIST......

By Ultra Russian Nationalist ( - 172.156.92.59) on Friday, May 26, 2000 - 08:43 pm:
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By Kim Arx ( - 137.138.245.28) on Friday, May 26, 2000 - 06:02 am:
Dear Ultra Russian Nationalist,

Flattery will get you nowhere,dear.

How can one person be "ganging up" on someone?

Kim

I DID NOT REFER TO ONE PERSON. AND USUALLY WHEN SOMEONE IS GANGING UP, THERE ARE MUTLIPLE PEOPLES INVOLVED. YOU JUST PROVED YOURSELF STUPID.

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Comrade URL/N,
perhaps your limited knowledge of the language does not allow you to see that it is actually visa-versa. My deepest regrets.