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Maskhadov's wife and daughter having a nice trip. Russian - Georgia - Turkey (some say Azerbaijan) - Malaysia. Looks like Maskhadov is talking to Russian gov't, otherwise his wife & daughter wouldn't be able to leave Russia.


   
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Maskhadov's wife and daughter having a nice trip. Russia - Georgia - Turkey (some say Azerbaijan) - Malaysia. Looks like Maskhadov is talking to Russian gov't, otherwise his wife & daughter wouldn't be able to leave Russia.


   
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By HAIRY MARY ( - 63.22.79.189) on Thursday, May 4, 2000 - 04:11 pm: Great work Hairy Mary I nominate you for a Pulitzer.I haven't laughed so hard for a while.Your story really suits the Diddler.


   
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The fact that Chechen leader Aslan Maskhadov's wife and daughter, Kasuma and Fatima, who lived over the last several months under the Russian Federal Security Service's protection in Ingushetia and North Ossetia, unexpectedly departed abroad has produced numerous questions and conjectures. The official theory, which Russian presidential aide Sergei Yastrzhembsky cited Thursday to Interfax, implies that the women's departure is their personal business. "We do not monitor their movements," he said. According to Kasuma Maskhadov, she is going to Malaysia where their son with her grandchildren resides. All this is possible. However, the media make different assumptions as well, like, for instance, the one that Maskhadov is prepared for negotiations with Moscow but is afraid that "the irreconcilable ones," such as Shamil Basayev or Khattab, might take vengeance upon his family, and therefore he is sending the women abroad. "Maskhadov might have his plans and intentions in sending his family members abroad, but we do not know and do not care about [these plans]," Yastrzhembsky said. He insists that there have been no talks with Maskhadov. Meanwhile, Maskhadov says the opposite and states that a meeting is being prepared between him and Russian President-elect Vladimir Putin, which, in his view, is the only thing that can put an end to the war. "Such a meeting has not been prepared," Yastrzhembsky parried in turn implying that the federal centre is ready to negotiate with Maskhadov only to discuss his and his rebels' capitulation. According to Yastrzhembsky, their number accounts only for 300 or 400 people. "Maskhadov is confused and does not control all the bandit formations," Yastrzhembsky said. This is what explains "Maskhadov's weakness as a politician." "Maskhadov's informational splashes are designed only to imitate a bustling activity," Yastrzhembsky noted. The Russian military make similar statements. Defence Minister, Marshal Igor Sergeyev, in reply to an Interfax' question on Thursday, said that "we are not going" to hold any talks either with Maskhadov or other leaders of the Chechen rebels. Sergeyev makes no secret of the fact that he intends to solve the issue on the battlefield, or, simply speaking, "finish off" the rebels. He said that the situation in Chechnya is altogether under the federal forces' control. "The firing is becoming rarer and rarer, we have not even suffered casualties in the past three days." On the other hand, the Minister stressed that federal forces' actions to wipe out the rebels have been intensified lately. The desire to solve the problem by force is quite understandable. The other thing is that, as the record shows, federal forces' wishes and their resources in Chechnya do not always correspond. If the wish were the only thing necessary, the anti-terrorist operation in Chechnya would have been completed long ago and, perhaps, with fewer casualties. The Defence Minister however, speaking on behalf of the military, noted that the Russian politicians are unlikely to agree to negotiations either. The marshal said that the conditions for a dialogue with Maskhadov have not changed. These are the release of the hostages, recognition of the Russian Constitution and the laying down of arms. It is noteworthy that Moscow's original demands included also clearing Chechnya of mercenaries and a hand-over of ringleaders and terrorists. It is obvious that Moscow is not withdrawing from these demands but possibly does not want to emphasise them, being aware that neither Maskhadov nor anybody else is able to meet them now. If this assumption is true, it may imply in reality the beginning of certain processes that might in turn lead to a dialogue. "Never say never" a high-ranking Russian official directly involved in working out policy on Chechnya said when asked by Interfax whether negotiations with guerillas are possible in the future.


Igor Denisov


   
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Putin Pushes for Police State
2303 GMT, 000505
Russian police arrested an unnamed deputy state property minister for extortion May 4, according to ITAR-Tass. The incident illuminates the direction of incoming president Vladimir Putin’s immediate strategy for Russia. Putin is relying increasingly on the Russian secret services (FSB); it is the one institution he trusts. While Putin’s team of economic experts drafts the outline for much-needed reform, the country’s top security services are suiting up to enforce the necessary changes.

Putin has vowed to rule Russia by a “dictatorship of law." He is beginning to tackle the notoriously wealthy and corrupt upper tier of the administration – the oligarchs. In April, in the first trial accusing a Duma deputy of corruption, deputy Vladimir Trofimov was sentenced to nine years in a labor colony for taking bribes. More recently, police apprehended the unnamed official, a deputy at a regional department of the State Property Ministry, while driving out of Moscow after a business owner had reported to the police that he had been coerced into paying $20,000 to the official.

Accusations about Putin’s intentions, made public by oligarch Boris Berezovsky’s newspaper Kommersant May 4, are surfacing just days before the presidential inauguration. The paper claims to have access to the draft of a Kremlin document called Reform of the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation, a document that Kommersant believes grants sweeping new powers to the presidential administration. Berezovsky, among others, argues that Putin is scheming to control the media, wipe out his political opposition and use the FSB only to protect himself and his regime, not the Russian people.

In fact, establishing a dictatorship of law is Putin’s only chance at quickly restoring order to Russia. The Western style of bringing about reform relies on creating laws and encouraging the population to voluntarily follow them. This process could take a generation. To jump-start economic change in Russia, Putin is following the only course available – he is empowering law enforcement bodies. Paradoxically, creating a police state is the only way to save political and economic reform in Russia.

In the four months since Putin became acting president, he has significantly rearranged the country’s law enforcement capabilities in order to service his anti-corruption campaign. On Jan. 5 he signed a law granting the tax police, the Interior Ministry and the Kremlin presidential and parliamentary security services the right to monitor private mail, phone calls and electronic mail – a freedom the FSB has had since 1995. In mid-February he re-instated the Soviet practice of distributing FSB units throughout the military. This was the first step in a broad concept the Kremlin refers to as the Federal Service for Investigating and Combating Corruption (FSRBK).

The FSRBK is in some ways intended to mimic the FBI. Under it, Putin plans to pull key elements of the Interior Ministry, FSB, tax police and the prosecutor’s office away from regional control, integrate them and require them to report directly to either the president or prime minister. The FSRBK would be authorized to use firearms, employ wiretapping and make arrests. The agency is planned to launch on Sep. 1, 2000.

In addition to institutional reforms, Putin has gradually installed his former KGB colleagues and St. Petersburg friends in high-level posts around Moscow. Six weeks before the presidential election in March, 17 key Kremlin posts had already been filled by St. Petersburg associates, reported the London Times. At the end of March, he made former agent Alexei Sedov head of Moscow’s tax police, which may become the primary force in separating the corrupt oligarchs from their fortunes and removing them from the country’s most lucrative industries.

As Western leaders look on, praying for the marvel of economic reform to begin its sluggish process, what they don’t realize is that Putin is taking the only rational step to instill some order in the system. He is whipping the secret services into shape. With their new privileges, and one of their own leading the country, the FSB is ready to help Putin usher in rapid, yet painful, economic reform


   
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I have been endowed with the sword of truth and justice. I will reward the pure and punish the wicked.

I am of the chosen ones. I have the power, and with power comes responsibility.

I answer to a higher authority.

Igor and and other deviant people beware


   
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Hairy is a silly plagiarizer. Look at the source: http://bennyhills.fortunecity.com/murphy/426/ss5.html - Dan Stroka.


   
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4. Turk Parliament Commission Says Torture Widespread

ANKARA, May 4 (Reuters) - Torture is widespread in Turkish police stations, where sanitation and treatment fall far below international standards, according to a parliamentary commission in Turkey, which is seeking to join the European Union.

The Human Rights Commission report, obtained by Reuters on Thursday, describes in grim detail dirty cells and dilapidated toilets where it says suspects are beaten, sprayed with high-pressure water and given electric shocks.

While the report's contents show that Turkey is still far from meeting the human rights standards for European Union membership, some will see the fact that it was conducted at all as a sign of growing political will for reform.

Members of the commission carried out late-night spot checks on five police stations in the city of Istanbul earlier this year, selecting the
stations at random from 32 against which allegations of torture had been made.

``The commission reached the opinion that maltreatment and torture are a widespread practice in police stations and identified some
methods and equipment used in this practice,'' the report says, complaining of efforts by some police staff to obstruct full inspection
of their stations.

It called for senior officials such as prosecutors and governors to be held responsible for what takes place.

``It is not very difficult to solve human rights problems such as maltreatment and torture that sometimes take place in ... detention centers, prisons and police stations. It is enough to identify those who are really responsible and expose them without obstruction to the
public,'' the report said.

Human Rights organizations such as Amnesty International have long said Turkish police are rarely prosecuted for rights violations and call
for officials to be held accountable.

Turkish officials acknowledge human rights shortcomings but trials of policemen accused of human rights abuse generally end in tiny jail
sentences for the officers.

The report mixes interviews with anonymous detainees relating their experiences in Istanbul cells with descriptions of the commission's
visits to the same stations.

``The places where questioning was done were extremely dirty and terrifying. The delegation felt as if it was in a scene from a film,'' the
report says of one police station.

The detainees, often brought in suspected of theft, speak of stripping, blindfolds, high-pressure hoses and electric shocks. Others describe being beaten while suspended from their arms.

``You go down to the basement, one floor down. As you go in they blindfold you. They strip you totally naked. First they give you the
pressurized water. They blast you with cold water, there's a valve. After that they put the current on the water. They apply it to your feet, your thumbs,'' said one detainee.

Another reported unpredictable police behavior.

``I can't explain the pain from the blows to my chest the last time...this time I am surprised, they've behaved well. I thought to myself, it looks like they are being good because we are entering the European Union,'' he told the commission.

Another section shows commission members arguing with police officers over the purpose of the bright light and electric wires in a small
padded room they believe to be used for questioning.

``My friend, are you kidding, is there any part of that (room) that resembles a coal cellar?'' one commission member asks a duty policeman at the station.


   
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By Jake B. ( - 209.178.171.55) on Thursday, May 4, 2000 - 11:35 pm:
>I have been endowed with the sword of truth and
>justice. I will reward the pure and punish the
>wicked.

Jake ha-Syphilardic sove' satah sachal.

>I am of the chosen ones. I have the power, and
>with power comes responsibility.

Jake ha-shethen sarukh b-michnasayim


>I answer to a higher authority.

nachon - le-tichan.

>Igor and and other deviant people beware

Jake ha-soteh, v-'ageveth Syphilardic


   
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Right on Rooskies!!!!

Kick that Mohammedan bandit butt!!!


Go Serbs!!!
Right on Radovan!!!
Kick their cans, Arkan!!!
Run 'em down, Radko!!!
Slam 'em down Slobodan!!!!


   
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Today Grozny, tomorrow Baku and Ankara!!!!!
Time for Russian, Greek, Ukrainian and Armenian army to retake Turkish-occupied Byzantium and Turkish-occupied Western Armenia!!!!

Drag all the Turks to Chernokozovo!!!!!


   
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too much coffee antonio?


   
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By Antonio ( - 209.239.213.128) on Friday, May 5, 2000 - 01:29 am:
Today Grozny, tomorrow Baku and Ankara!!!!!
Time for Russian, Greek, Ukrainian and Armenian army to retake Turkish-occupied Byzantium and Turkish-occupied Western Armenia!!!!

Drag all the Turks to Chernokozovo!!!!!



LOL Thanks for the LAUGH Antonio - you little catholic pedophile


The Turkish Military (2nd biggest in NATO) could CRUXIFY paper tigers like Greece and Armenia.

I'm going to Turkey this summer for my vacation, to Istanbul then Izmir and onto Kusadasi.

If I run into any filthy Armenians or Spanish catholics - I 'll be sure to pay them my 'respects'

Once again, thanks for the laugh!

By the way, in case you didn't know Ukrainians HATE Russians


   
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By DS ( - 172.143.233.250) on Thursday, May 4, 2000 - 11:44 pm:
Hairy is a silly plagiarizer. Look at the source: http://bennyhills.fortunecity.com/murphy/426/ss5.html - Dan Stroka.



DS,

Thanks for exposing the truth about that pathetic woman in the typing pool. I ALWAYS knew she never had the brains for original writing. E-mail her IP number to Dan Stroka


   
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To Jake B, Berstein, Faulkner etc,



I just want to know why you are of the "chosen ones"?

Who decided you are chosen?

I checked out your web site, you have Jesus is LORD and at the same time you claim to be part of a wealthy Jewish community called Separdic?

Are you some of these weird Jews for Jesus people?
Whats with that big sword? Do you carry it around?
Why do you constantly pick on Igor? what has he done to you?

I hope you don't carry that sword around, you could be arrested for having a dangerous weapon - also if you are in California, some crazy gang may just decide to teach you a lesson!.


   
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