to sm.

In ancient times we believed that earth was the center of the universe and it was flat. in the 16th century copenicus found out that the earth was neither flat nor was it the center of the universe, rather it was round and moved in an orbit. One thounsand and 450 years earlier, the HOLY QURAN revealed:

"And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.. And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad SAW), then if you die, would they live forever?. Everyone is going to taste death, and We shall make a trial of you with evil and with good, and to Us you will be returned. 21:33-35


also HOLY QURAN says: "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? 21:30
THIS IS THE ACCEPTED BIB BANG THEORY OF CREATON OF UNIVERSE.

MORE COMING GOD WILLING.

tO FENRITZ

"We" an Arabic and Hebrew plural of respect


One of the foremost differences between Christianity and Islam is the concept of the "Trinity." Most Christians are taught to believe in a "triune" God composed of three "persons": God the "Father," God the "Son," and God the "Holy Spirit." Muslims only believe in one God. Muslims believe that He is unique and indivisible. When a Christian first starts to read an English interpretation of the Qur'an, he is surprised to find that Allah always speaks about himself as "we," "we," "we." He begins to think to himself "If Allah is one God, then why all the 'we's"? He begins to remember his "Trinity," he puts one and one together and comes up with "three." He then quickly locates the nearest Muslim in order to share with him the discovery that: "I have just found proof of the Trinity in your Qur'an!"


This has become such a common occurrence that it will be dealt with separately as an independent topic. The problem arises from the very nature of the Arabic and English languages themselves. In both Arabic and Hebrew, there are two types of 'we'. One is the plural pronoun used by English speaking countries (such as "we rode in the car together," "we all come from the same country"...etc.). The second is the plural of RESPECT. 'We' is used in the Qur'an when describing Allah Almighty in the second sense. It is used to magnify and glorify God as well as to display respect and humility to our Creator.


The reader will also notice that this usage is not restricted to the Qur'an only. To this day, if an English speaking person were to go to any Arabic speaking country and to read any official letter directed to a dignitary or high official (or even a newspaper), or to attend an official speech, they will find that the dignitary is always addressed as "they" and "them" and "you" (plural "you"). So, when addressing an ambassador, King, or leader of a nation for example, this ONE person is always addressed as "THEY have arrived," not "HE has arrived." Or "I gave THEM the sealed letter," not "I gave HIM the sealed letter." So we must ask, if "we," implies a "Trinity," then is this king or this dignitary also a "triune" dignitary? Is he three persons merged into one? The same argument applies when this Arabic-speaking dignitary refers to himself in a public speech. In such a case, he will almost always refer to himself as "We." For example, he will say: "We, the leader of this great nation..." and so forth. Dr. Jamal Badawi once observed that since the Queen of England refers to herself in the plural form then is she too a "Trinity"?


Arabs are not blind. They can tell the difference between one and many. This is simply the nature of the Arabic language. This is how an Arab displays respect and humility. Even when speaking of one's wife, a Muslim in many Arab countries usually does not mention her by name. Neither does he say "she" or "her" but rather "they" and "them." This is also a form of respect for our wives, mothers and sisters. This is why we find that in the over one billion Muslims all over the world, even the simple Muslim shepherd in the desert does not pray to a "Trinity." Because they know their language.


This system is not restricted to the Arabs alone. The Arabs are a Semitic tribe, and their Semitic cousins, the Jews, also use the same system to refer to God. In the Old Testament, the Jews refer to God as "Elohiym" {el-o-heem}. "Elohiym" is the plural form of "'elowahh" {el-o'-ah}, which means "god." We will notice that the Jews also do not pray to a "Trinity," even though their book refers to God in the plural form. This is the way the Semitic languages of Arabic and Hebrew work.


In the Eerdmans Bible Dictionary we read the following explanation of the word "Elohiym":

"As a name or designation of the God of Israel, the term is understood as a plural of majesty or an intensive plural, indicating the fullness of the supreme (or only) God ... the canonical intent is clearly monotheistic, even where the accompanying verbs or adjectives are grammatically plural (e.g. Gen. 20:13, Exod. 22:9 [Mt 8])"

Eerdmans Bible Dictionary, edited by Allen C. Myers, William B. Eerdmans Publishers, p. 331


The exact same system is also used in the Urdu language of Pakistan and India, as well as to a more limited degree in the French language. For example, a French king might be addressed as follows: "La presence de votre majesty est un honneur pour notre ville, vous avez apporte avec vous le bonheure."


Now that we see the true meaning of the Hebrew, Arabic, Urdu, and French use of the word "We" in reference to God Almighty, let us now read a little more of the Qur'an:


"Say: He is Allah the One (and only). Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He neither begets nor was he begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him."

The noble Qur'an, al-Ikhlas(112).


"Allah! There is no God but Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. Unto Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedes with Him save by His leave? He knows that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He will. His throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous."

The noble Qur'an, Al-Bakarah(2):255


"Your God is One God; there is no God save Him, the Compassionate, the Merciful."

The noble Qur'an, Al-Bakarah(2)163.


"Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. He has revealed unto you (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. Aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and has revealed the Criterion (one of the names of the Qur'an). Verily! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite (the wrong). Verily! nothing in the earth or in the heavens is hidden from Allah. He it is who fashions you in the wombs as pleases Him. There is no God save Him, the Almighty, the Wise.."

The noble Qur'an, A'al-Umran(3):2-6


"Allah (Himself) is witness that there is no God save Him. And the angels and the men of learning (too are witness). Maintaining His creation in justice, there is no God save Him, the Almighty, the Wise. Verily! religion with Allah (is) 'Al-Islam' (the surrender). Those who (formerly) received the Scripture differed only after knowledge came unto them, through transgression among themselves. Whoso disbelieves the revelations of Allah (will find that) Verily! Allah is swift at reckoning. And if they argue with you, (O Muhammad), say: I have surrendered my purpose to Allah and (so have) those who follow me. And say unto those who have received the Scripture and those who read not: Have you (too) surrendered? If they surrender, then truly they are rightly guided, and if they turn away, then it is your duty only to convey the message (unto them). And Allah is Seer of (His) bondmen."

The noble Qur'an, A'al-Umran(3):18-20.

TO SM

ARE YOU THERE?

IF YOU NOT THERE I WIL SAY GOD BYE TO YOU TODAY, MAY GOD GUIDE ALL OF YOU TO THE TRUTH AND SHOW YOU THE RIGHT PATH.

OMAR

DRESS FOR THE MODEST

Males and females have different physical features which are extremely attrative to each other. These features are menat to attarct the opposite sex to culminate i physical union, so that the species can propagate.

The physical features by themselves, are objects of pleasure and lust. When they are not manifest, the individual becomes a person. Everyone desreves the dignity and respect of a human being, irrespective of the nature of their physical features.

Human beings are conditioned by the society in which they live. When you see a woman scantily dressed and revealing her physical features, waiting at the road side in the early evening for someone to approach her for physical favors, what is the first impression that come to your mind? Will it be that this lady is a very religious, pious, and God fearing woman, seeing God's blessing?

Again, when yu see a nun, modestly dressed in long robe and covering her head, not revealing any of her physical features, what imprssinon comes to your mind? Is it that this lady is a sex-symbol, waiting for someone to hire her, or to date her, or to invite her to a dinner and then take her home? Certanily not. This dress represents her modety, and through it she commands the respect of society.

God made women holy, most dignified, and respectable. They are precious. When you have a percious gem, you do not leave it in the front or back yard to be trodden by others. Rather you keep them in the best possible safe and procted place. Because women are holy and precious, they should protect themselves from everything that is evil. Unfortunately, women in general, have allowed the evil society to exploit them. They have made themselves chep and easily availabe. They have ecposed themselves to the lustful eyes of the society without much hesitation. Tyey have lost much of their self steem. In Islam the women are precious and a Muslim would go a long way to defend their honour and chastity.


Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do.31. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful[

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Omar, I am still here, however, it might me until tommorrow that I fully respond to your statements.

Ilyas Akhmadov, named foreign minister by Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov, said on a
private visit to the Czech Republic that 4,000 civilians and 1,600 Chechen troops had been
killed. Moscow has said reports of civilian deaths are exaggerated.

This should take care of bullsh|t info on these subhuman prochechen websites about casualties, although I imagine the number far greater than 1600.

Fenriz

To Omar:

Post #1:
"He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation in three veils of darkness,"

"He creates you in the wombs of your mothers"

This is not a very scientific observation. It doesn't take too much observation to figure out where the child is created.

"In three veils of darkness"

Obviously, this is your main point. It is interesting that such a statement was made. I am curious if any other religions have made the same statement. I don't know. However, I can argue that "three veils of darkness" is not very specific. First viels of darkness is not specific at all, but I will permit that it was a poetic term for 'layers.' Now the number 3. This is pretty convincing. Before I proceede, let me make a couple of comments on how scientific process works.

A hypothesis (claim) is made, and then experiments are done to prove it. Just because you have the right answer - it doesn't mean that you have proven anything. For instance, Neils Bohr devised a model for figuring out the energies associated with Hydrogen. His calculations were exact. He had the right answer, but his methods were wrong. His model was not right. What evidence was presented at the time that this claim was made in the Quran? All you have presented is that an unsubstantiated claim was made and later it was proved right. No scientist would be praised for this as this is not SCIENTIFIC.

"And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth) Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge) (and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman). Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allâh, the Best of creators.[]"

First "We created man out of clay (water and earth). OK.. We are Water by large percentage, I will give you credit. But c'mon, Water and Earth: that is bad. Where does Earth come in?

Any good observer can conclude that the birth of a child has SOMETHING to do with semen and the Womb. By the way. Reproduction in FROGS: A male frog spreads his fluids on his partner's eggs. Now some frogs, hide those eggs in the mud. some under rocks,. some in their skin, some hold them in their mouth all. are safe loggings. So, this statement is an easy observatio of any more primitive life form.

Also, the number three has a common theme in Religion (ex Trininity)

"Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation"

For everyone's sake I will not argue this too long. This contradicts current medical theory. "Blood clot: no", "lump to bones: no, bones after flesh" Also, what about the part of the Emryo that becomes the yolk sack? The embryo feeds off of part of itself. There is no mention here. Overall, not correct.

Well, there are some accuracies here. Some are excellent observations, some are coincidences, and some are flat out wrong. I would expect something better from a Superios Entity. Maybe, the human DNA code.

To My brother S.M

It is by birthright that we must destroy or rule over these terrible muslims, christians and other inferior people.

You like me, are a Jew, and you should never be ashamed of this. Our loyalty is to the pure ideals of zionism and the mighty state of Israel.

Have you read the kabala? Only we know the true name of the lord.

WE ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE

It was good that many filthy christians were killed by NATO in yugoslavia, just as it is good that the filthy muslims are now being killed by Russians. Let our enemies fight each other, so that we may grow strong

DEATH TO ALL MUSLIMS
DEATH TO ALL CHRISTIANS

jew boy
you are disgrace to human race, enjoy yur brief life soon God will put yu in hel

who choose you to be a low life, filthy animal?

death to you boy

Jew are number 1 enemy of God.

Read jewish holi book call talmud, you there they say very bad word about Jesus and His mother, and we giving them 3billion our tax money.

enjoy the relief

Aaron,

I am not Jewish. I am athiest. I do not believe in God's Existance. No religion has been able to prove it to me.

I do however support the Jewish people. Not fundamentalists, but your average Jews. It was they who paid for my passage from USSR to US. I am in their debt. However, I don't think they are the chosen people. No person is chosen since, in my opinion at least, there is no God. I hope that you, as well as others on this message board put away your hate and unite, not as Jews, Muslims, or Biddhists, but as the Human Race, because no matter what anyone says, This is our Undeniable shared identity.

to Omar,
out of respect for others, since this is not a message board about religion, I will try not post religious discussions here. However, I am still interested in your perspective, You can reach me at:


sm_here@yahoo.com


if anyone else has anything constructive to send me, you can send to that address. Don't get excited, however, it is only a temp account, so if you flood it with junk mail, I will cancel.

Ok, as the honourable activist Aaron stated, the
religious jews are indeed think of themselves as God's Chosen People and the biggest racists that ever existed. Can't argue with that. For those who never knew that here are some facts:

Jews believed in the Old Testament and the
Christians believed in the New Testament. The truth is that their "real
bible" is The Talmud. The Jewish book "The Mitzbeach" states that "there
is nothing superior to 'Holy Talmud'." While the Jews profess to be
attached to the Old Testament to the outside world, the real essence of the
Jewish creed is not the Old Testament as such, not the books of Moses, but
The Talmud.

The Talmud is made up of 63 books in
524 chapters and is often printed in 18 large volumes.

The Talmud holds that only Jews
are true human beings and Gentiles are "goyim" (meaning cattle or beast).
The following are shocking but exact quotes from the various books of
"The Talmud." Gentiles are people of non-jewish faith

1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is
guilty of death."

4. Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a Goy about our
religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the
Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the
rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will
violate this order shall be put to death."

6. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if
she is three years of age."

7. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge
wording."

8. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

9. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

10. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given
the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent
consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

11. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which
belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to
Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the
transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost
property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing,
Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable
people."

12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must
make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything
against them."

13. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of
the world are not human beings but beasts."

Now, i don't feel like to continue, especially this is really off-topic, but this is to show that AT LEAST jewish religion is extrremely racist and should be dealt as such. I must stress though, that some jews, especially the non-believers in Judeo-Christian stuff strongly oppose above views.
Yet that's what a typical orthodoxial jews believe in therefore being an extremely racist and are to be dealt with accordingly.

Pardon me for taking the bandwidth to futher illustrate mr Aaron's point.

Fenriz

Angel Gabriel visited Muhammed eh?
So like Islam is rip off of christianity eh?
And christianity is a rip off of jews' religion eh?

hehehehehe