Well thats what happens when you occupy a stolen nation.
* "Conrad", You're a poor hitleresque historian too, congratulations. Heh.
The League gave the land in 1947 with a provision for two separate states - Israel and Arabs. The latter never miss the opportunity to miss the opportunity. A sad fact.
Dear Crafty little jewess,
* I'm glad my qualities drive You mad.;o))
As far as I am concerned the only baboon on this board is one inbred crafty little Jewess, who has driven herself half-mad with hate.
* As far as I am concerned the only baboon on this board is one inbred "Englishman", who has driven (and driving) himself totally mad with hate, compounded by stupidity.
On the other hand, perhaps baboonette could be a better application in your case.
* Baboonette could be a better screen-saver application for Your computer in Your case - for You to enjoy a relative.
Thank goodness, small English towns are relatively free of these semitic characters.
* It's a matter of time, and You'll get some Jihad too.
Anyway I'm off to Knightsbridge for dinner.
* Don't drown on Your way there, Your "allamerican" cyberterrorist friend from the Emirates needs You.
P.S. Organize "Ban The Bagels" movement to rid the British pubs off them. LOL

Too much coffee over there at the cafe'.Absolutly amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Where is everyone?

IGOR, IM NOT AT THE CAFE. IVE BEEN HERE PAST FEW DAYS. HAVENT YOU SEEN? HEHEHE.

"PROSHLO VREMYA KRASIVIX SLOV O VELICHII ROCCII, NASTAL CHAS KONKRETNIX DEL VO EMYA EE SPASENIYA..." - KOMMYNISTICHESKAYA PARTIYA ROCCIICKOI FEDERACII

ZA POBEDY!!!!!!!!!

"Russian Conscript Arrested after Two Soldiers Shot Dead

MOSCOW, Oct 15, 2000 -- (Agence France Presse) A Russian conscript who deserted after allegedly killing two other soldiers and seriously wounding a third, has been arrested near Moscow, the Itar-Tass agency said on Saturday.

Vladimir Zakharov is alleged to have opened fire on his fellow soldiers on Friday at a base near Odintsovo, south west of Moscow.

Incidents of this kind are said to be fairly common in the Russian forces, where conditions for new recruits, who are often subjected to bullying, are particularly hard.

On September 30 this year, in the Perm region, in the Ural mountains, two soldiers died and six others were wounded when one of their comrades opened fire on them."

ITS BECAUSE OF MORONS LIKE THOSE THAT I BECAME A NATIONALIST AND WILL FOREVER LOVE MY COUNTRY. I CANT BELIEVE THEY ARE DRIVEN TO DO SUCH ACTS. BASTARDS. AND PERM IS ACTUALLY MY GRANDFATHERS HOME TOWN. HE WAS DISGRACED/ASHAMED. NEVER GIVE UP IN FIGHTING FOR OUR CAUSE, RUSSIA IS THE BEST COUNTRY!!!

Hi, I'm back, What's the score??
Is it half-time yet?
Kim

Barnswein is masquerading as LEGION on SC

L'menexe someone is imitating you on the SC

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Memorandum On Foreign Interference Regarding Elections In The Federal Republic Of Yugoslavia

Official Report by the Yugoslav Government to the UN Security Council. This Urgent Request To Investigate the Most Serious Charges Has Been Ignored

September-October 2000

1. Before as well as during the electoral process conducted so far, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and its citizens have been incessantly exposed to systematic and brutal pressure by some influential international factors, primarily the United States Administration and NATO countries, with an undisguised aim of directly interfering in the electoral process in the FR of Yugoslavia and of bringing an inadmissible pressure to bear on the electoral will of its population.

a) Political and psychological pressures and subversive activities: In the period prior to elections in Yugoslavia, centres for assisting Yugoslav opposition and destabilization of Yugoslavia were established in neighbouring countries (Szeged, Hungary; Timisoara, Romania; Sofia, Bulgaria; Skopje, Macedonia; and Tirana, Albania).

A month before the elections, a US Regional Centre was set up to co-ordinate the work of centres in individual countries of South Eastern Europe in order to exert political, psychological, diplomatic and subversive pressure (on 15 August 2000). The Budapest-based US Centre has engaged more than 30 experts for intelligence, propaganda, military intelligence and subversive activities against the FR of Yugoslavia under the direction of former US Ambassador to Croatia William Montgomery. The Centre recruits experts from USIS, CIA, USAID, DIA and other similar US agencies. For this reason, the FR of Yugoslavia lodged an official written protest with the United Nations Security Council on 18 September 2000 by qualifying the establishment of this centre as a violation of the Vienna Conventions on Diplomatic and Consular Relations and international law and describing it as a gross interference in the internal affairs of the FR of Yugoslavia (S/2000/880). During the month of August this year, Director of CIA George Tennet visited the broader region of South Eastern Europe (Bulgaria, Romania) to step up and co-ordinate pressure in the run-up to elections in Yugoslavia.

A ring of radio and TV centres was established around the FR of Yugoslavia to transmit anti-Yugoslav propaganda, the well-known system of NATO propaganda such as Radio Free Europe, Deutshe Welle, Voice of America and others. Hundreds of hours of anti-Yugoslav propaganda aimed at psychological and political pressure on the citizens of the FR of Yugoslavia, concocted in US and NATO centres of subversion and destabilization, are being aired via these systems and their transmitters from the territories of the Czech Republic, Hungary, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania, on a daily basis. Many of these radio and television transmitters operate illegally on the same frequencies that, according to international conventions, belong to the FR of Yugoslavia and that are used by Yugoslav radio and television stations.

Also, statements of representatives from NATO countries have been noted to the effect that Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) concerning the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija will not be implemented as long as the opposition in Belgrade is not victorious, which directly represents continuation of support for separatism, terrorism and international crime in Kosovo and Metohija and in Montenegro.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher, on the very date of the elections (24 September) said: If opposition comes to power, the United States will take steps to lift the sanctions, but if President Milosevic stays in power, it will continue with its policy of sanctions and further isolation of the Yugoslav Government. This being recognition of the fact that sanctions have been used to wear down and punish a nation and as a form of prolonged aggression.

The European Union too sent a "message to the Serbian people" on 18 September, on the eve of the elections, giving overtly support to the Serbian opposition and promising to lift sanctions against it if it votes for the opposition. This is evidence of the illegal nature and unjustifiableness of sanctions as an instrument to violate fundamental human rights, grossly intervene in internal affairs and bring about the accomplishment of illegitimate political goals. On this score, an EU representative was delivered the strongest protest in the Federal Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 21 September and at EU headquarters in Brussels on 22 September, respectively.

Similar malicious views were publicly expressed every day in the media by the President of the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly, by the Foreign Ministers of a number of EU countries, the EU High Representative and Commissioner for External Relations, as well as by the EU Stability Pact Co-ordinator and the Secretary General of the Council of Europe, with a view to exercising an organized pressure on the public in the FRof Yugoslavia and on its electoral bodies and to prejudicing election results.

b) Opposition funding:

The US Administration, the Governments of NATO countries and various foundations, such as the Soros foundation, openly finance Yugoslav opposition and various forms of subversive activity aimed at destabilizing the FRof Yugoslavia and at overthrowing its legitimate Government. This funding has been intensified in particular after the announcement of nation-wide parliamentary, presidential and local elections. Funds have openly been allocated to opposition political parties and their leaders, to the so-called independent media, associations and structures of the so-called civil society and to individuals. Prior to these elections, the US Administration paid US$ 77.2 million to Yugoslav opposition, a public fact also confirmed by a daily close to US Administration, The Washington Post, on 22 September 2000. The same was also confirmed by sources in US Congress, the Department of State and others.

Only a day after the elections and the first round of Presidential election in the FR of Yugoslavia, US Congress passed on 25 September the "Democratization of Serbia Act", making a series of gross and unsubstantiated allegations against the legitimate authorities in the FR of Yugoslavia and appropriating additional financial resources, to the tune of US$ 105 million, to bring them down, i.e. for the purposes of the Serbian opposition. This document, under the guise of an alleged concern for human rights, openly supported the separatism of ethnic Hungarians in the Serbian province of Vojvodina, where the majority Serbs live in harmony with 25 minorities.

A week before the elections, the Charge d'Affaires of the Royal Norwegian Embassy in Belgrade handed out cash funds in Deutsche marks to students and young people in several towns in Serbia, thus directly promoting the cause of the opposition. The so-called independent media and the statements made by the Norwegian Charge bear witness to it. Such conduct by the Norwegian Charge, as an abuse of the hospitality of the Yugoslav Government , contradicts his diplomatic functions, whereas giving bribe is punishable by law in all countries of the world. The Charge was twice officially warned (on 30 August and on 22 September 2000) in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that such activity is a flagrant interference in internal affairs and a gross violation of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. He was asked not to do so and to channel all assistance in accordance with the agreements and the normal practice existing in co-operation among sovereign States, via competent Government authorities, which the Charge completely ignored.

c) Military pressure:

Prior to the elections, NATO forces began a series of military exercises in the immediate neighbourhood of the FR of Yugoslavia. Thus, during the month of September the territory of Romania was used to stage the military exercises codenamed "Co-operative Key 2000", while during the course of October the exercises "Aquanaut 2000" are being conducted in the Romanian waters of the Black Sea, with the participation of British and Dutch commandos. These exercises have been followed by those carried out jointly by NATO forces in the Aegean and Black Seas and in Eastern Mediterranean, with the participation of about 70 warships. The American Sixth Fleet demonstrated force in the Adriatic close to the Yugoslav coast on the pretext of staging joint exercises with the Croatian armed forces.

All these have been coupled with threatening statements by senior military and political officials in US Administration and from other NATO countries and orchestrated by announcements in the media of another military campaign against the FR of Yugoslavia "should Milosevic wins".

2. The above facts testify to flagrant foreign interference in electoral processes by using propaganda, psychological , political and military pressure aimed at influencing the will of the electorate, which is contrary to what democracy is about and which constitutes a violation of all norms of international law, in particular the Charter of the United Nations*, of UN General Assembly resolution 54/168, on non-interference in electoral processes**, the Declaration on Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Government of the FR of Yugoslavia recalls that following the interference of foreign factors in its electoral process, it has already addressed the UN Security Council on 20 September 2000 (S/2000/885). The letter from the Ambassador of the FR of Yugoslavia to the United Nations, among other things, pointed out that:"The countries that, in wanton disregard for the Charter of the United Nations and circumventing the Security Council, carried out an armed aggression against my country last year, have now taken another step down the shameful road of disrespect for the basic norms of international law. In doing so, they have publicly and unscrupulously disparaged and encroached upon the inalienable right of Yugoslav voters to elect their own legitimate representatives. They have also violated General Assembly resolution 54/168... (which) was adopted exactly to prevent such inadmissible acts and practices."

The Yugoslav Government requested on that occasion the Security Council to address this important and urgent issue and to take measures to put an end to flagrant interference in our internal affairs and to ensure respect for international law and decisions of the United Nations. Considering that the UN Security Council has not yet reacted to this communication, the Yugoslav Government, presenting once again the above facts, calls again upon the Security Council to take specific steps to condemn in the strongest terms interference by the above-mentioned external factors in the internal affairs of the FR of Yugoslavia, especially interference in its electoral process and threats of force, so as to ensure the respect for the Charter of the United Nations, international law and UN General Assembly documents.

Belgrade, 4 October 2000

___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ UN Documents:

(3) Also reaffirms that any activities that attempt, directly or indirectly, to interfere in the free development of national electoral processes,... violate the spirit and letter of the principles established in the Charter and in the Declaration on Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations... (5) Strongly appeals to all States to refrain from financing political parties or groups in other States and taking any other action that undermines their electoral processes." This principle has been defined in more detail and elaborated in this Declaration (UNGA resolution 2625(XXV) of 24 October 1970) , which, inter alia, states as follows: "No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatsoever, in the internal or external affairs of any State..." "No State may use or encourage the use of economic, political or any other type of measures to coerce another State in order to obtain from it the subordination of the exercise of its sovereign rights and to secure from it advantages of any kind. Also, no State shall organize, assist, foment, finance, incite or tolerate subversive, terrorist or armed activities directed towards the violent overthrow of the regime of another State, or interfere in civil strife in another State." "Every State has an inalienable right to choose its political, economic, social and cultural systems, without interference in any form by another State."

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ANY COMMENTS ON THIS KIM JUST CURIOUS DO THEY HAVE A POINT OR NOT

So this was sent to the UN at the time, after the election, when the electoral committee was sitting on the election results, Milosovich was talking of declaring the election results invalid. He was also in control of all media within Serbia, the Army and the police still backed him, he was even talking of remaining in power until June regardless of the election results and had said that there would be a second ballot?

Don't you almost make me feel sorry for the guy!

Talking of interfering in foreign political affaires, ever heard of the term lobbyist, that is someone who represents usually American Companies seeking to further their own interests in Britain.
Gatt is another form of blackmail that springs to mind.
Welcome to Globalisation, Serbia.
Its wrong but its life! I am impressed at the way Putin has managed to stear his way through the pittfalls, hopefully Kostunica will do the same.
Milosovich??? Well he wasn't exactly a diplomat, lets say.

igor:
thanks, i'll report the fakes.
as*holes.

Kim how do you dismiss the last paragraph?Also lobby groups are for the States the American way of doing business.In Europe American politics should not apply,however in this case it looks like it has.My personal opinon is that west has been outsmarted,I think some sort of deal was cooked up between Kostunica and Milosovic because rhetoric after all is just that.

Hacker virtually disables Nederland 'Net service
By Pippa Jack
Special to The Denver Post

October 12, 2000 - A Nederland-based Internet company was back online Wednesday after 11 days during which executives say their service was held hostage by a skilled European hacker making political and monetary demands.

"He did solicit money, but I think he's more motivated by the politics," said Joseph Vigorito, owner and administrator of Eagle Network. The hacker, identified only as Bulgarianboy, demanded that the Web site antiwar.com be taken offline, Vigorito said.

Eagle Network, which has an environmental bent, services 100 Web sites and has 220 customers for its e-mail service, eagle-access.net.

Vigorito said he reported the matter to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and was referred to agent John May of the Computer Emergency Response Team. May said he could not comment.

The Internet company went down on Oct. 1, when someone took control of the router, which acts as a kind of switchboard for the system, executives said. Technicians working on the machine were unable to get back in and lock the intruder out.

"It's not supposed to be able to happen," Vigorito said. "If this guy posts how he actually did this, the whole Internet's wide open." Vigorito said he will have to replace his $18,000 router because of damage. He is moving his hardware to a new location in Lafayette where he can place the entire system behind a protective digital firewall, he said.

"What happened to Joe was pretty fascinating," said Rob Savoye, a Nederland software developer who helped get Eagle Network back up and running.

I've never heard of anyone being extorted for money to get (back) control of their computer."

First the hacker set up a password "sniffer" to get access to the system, technicians said. Once in, he used a buffer overflow to overload the server.

At that point, he had the administrative password for the router and told the machine to block outside access from customers.

To that point, the attack was reasonably sophisticated but not exceptional, Savoye said.

But the reason clients were locked out so long, Savoye said, was that the hacker crippled the router in such a way that Eagle Network technicians couldn't change the password back.

Savoye said the hacker, or cracker, as he said malicious hackers are known, erased his fingerprints too fast for Savoye to track him beyond Ripe.net in Amsterdam, although it is possible he used computers in Bosnia or Germany.

"He's definitely the more professional of the people I've seen in the last few years," Savoye said.

It is not unusual for a hacker to develop a gripe against an Internet service provider because of the content on a Web site it hosts, said Richard Power of the San Francisco-based Computer Security Institute. Because service providers offer access to lots of people, he said, they are particularly vulnerable.

"They are big, fat juicy targets because there's lots of activity,"

Power said.

But it is unusual for an intruder to harm hardware, said Rik Farrow, a security expert with the Computer Security Institute.

"It's really rare to disable a piece of equipment," Farrow said. "You hear about viruses and so on that could do that, but in reality it hardly ever happens." Antiwar.com, based in Sunnyvale, Calif., has attracted at least three major hacking attacks in the past six months, said webmaster Eric Garris.

The site, which is affiliated with the Center for Libertarian Studies, focuses in part on the Balkans. Garris moved his site from Eagle Network to a larger Internet service provider specializing in security a week ago.

"Although I'm grateful to Joe for everything he did, " Garris said, "I think he's probably going to be relieved."

FUNNY STUFF.... AND ITS BACKED BY EVIDENCE.

Zhirinovsky’s Bane: McDonald’s, Marx
By Eric Helque

MOSCOW, Oct 16, 2000 -- (The Russia Journal) Flanked by a young interpreter with a broken arm, who at times struggled to keep up with the torrent of words pouring forth from his chief’s mouth, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, leader of the ultranationalist LDPR party, turned in a vintage performance Thursday before members of the European Business Club.

During a 90-minute speech, Zhirinovsky variously told the businessmen that: he supported their efforts to invest in Russia; that most Russians hated them; that they nonetheless should support him, Zhirinovsky, "the only true democrat in this country"; and that the only area in which their investment could really help the Russian economy was ... in the military-industrial complex.

EBC members initially seemed a little taken aback by Zhirinovsky’s speech, which was officially supposed to be devoted to the economy as an "integral part of politics," but which turned into a series of not-always-coherent improvisations.

But, judging from the roars of laughter that permeated the audience, they had quickly realized – and apparently enjoyed – the entertainment value of Zhirinovsky’s performance.

According to Zhirinovsky, one of the reasons "ordinary Russians" have come to distrust the West is that, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they realized how bad communism was as an ideology.

And who invented communism? "Not Lenin," Zhirinovsky said, "but a Western thinker, Karl Marx."

He continued: "From then on, Russians concluded everything coming from the West was evil and designed to lead to the destruction of Russia."

But the West is not only guilty of having indirectly imposed communism on Russia. After 1991, it also made the mistake of not supporting the right politician in Russia, i.e. Zhirinovsky himself.

"If you hadn’t put your bets on democrats like [Grigory]Yavlinsky and [Yegor] Gaidar and Communists and hadn’t tampered with our elections, I would have become president on March 26 [this year]," exclaimed Zhirinovsky.

Westerners had also imposed their will on the Russian economy, he said, against the country’s interests.

"Russia has 30 percent of the world’s drinking water but you forced us to drink Pepsi Cola, whose formula you kept secret. Why?

"We make the best blini and pirozhki in the world, but you want to teach us how to cook with your McDonald’s. Why?

"We have the most fantastic vodka, but you force us to drink garbage Western vodkas like Absolut. Why?"

In one of his more bizarre charges, Zhirinovsky accused the West of deliberately bombing Yugoslavia in order to guarantee that former Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin would win the Nobel Peace Prize.

"There was an agreement between Russian and Western generals not to bomb Yugoslavia. But you did it anyway, so that Chernomyrdin could act as mediator between the West and Yugoslavia and get the Nobel Prize." Chernomyrdin was in fact on the short list of nominees for the prize.

However, there is a way out of the dead end in which the Western-Russian relationship finds itself, according to Zhirinovsky.

"You must support me. As long as Russia doesn’t have a president like me, business will never work for you here. And you need to invest in military factories to get the Russian economy going again.

"You must give us money to buy ammunition and air-defense systems. If you don’t, then other countries you are afraid of, like Iran and Iraq, will."

If the West does help it could reap real benefits out of it, Zhirinovsky said, placing his right hand under his heart, in a manner reminiscent of Napoleon.

"We could share data," he said enthusiastically. "For instance, our scientists have calculated that Istanbul will be annihilated by an earthquake in 2003. So, if I tell you this, you can cancel all your investment in Istanbul, which will soon cease to exist anyway, and you’ll save money."

In the midst of all this wild rhetoric, Zhirinovsky also managed to produce figures to back his arguments about who is destroying Russia.

"Russians don’t hate Caucasians, but Caucasians are responsible for 70 percent of crimes in Moscow," he said.

"Russians are not anti-Semitic but, whereas in other countries the percentage of Jews in prominent positions in the media, banks and arts is no more than 45 percent – in Russia, it is 90 percent."

However, Zhirinovsky rejected any comparison between himself and Austrian far-right leader Jorg Haider, saying that he (Zhirinovsky) "never praised Hitler," and that "nobody in our party, the LDPR, is anti-Semitic."

"According to Zhirinovsky, one of the reasons "ordinary Russians" have come to distrust the West
is that, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they realized how bad communism was as an
ideology.

And who invented communism? "Not Lenin," Zhirinovsky said, "but a Western thinker, Karl Marx."

He continued: "From then on, Russians concluded everything coming from the West was evil and
designed to lead to the destruction of Russia."


ROFL,HAHAHA, chortle, choke ,splutter, The guy obviously missed his calling, get him on stage, he'll make millions!!!

Chorny,

"Kim how do you dismiss the last paragraph?"

I don't dismiss it any more than I dismiss the Geneva Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Wize words on paper are easy to ignore when it suits! sigh!
It doesn't change the sad fact that no country can opperate in a vacuum, I was trying to point out that even the western "Allies" of the US are directly affected by American business interests and policy!

"My personal opinon is that west has been outsmarted,I think some sort of deal was
cooked up between Kostunica and Milosovic because rhetoric after all is just that."

If that's so, then what is the problem? from your point of view? From Emperors Clothes? The answer is that despite their claim to have inside info, they are no more the wizer than the rest of us on that score.
Even if there has been some deal, between M and K,
I think Kostunica could make the better politician, that remains to be seen.

You also seem in a dilema, as to whether you support him or not.