Actually one of the residents just asked us not to! We probably should respect that........

Well lets see how it goes, huh!

Really, Did you go in and ask? Like I said I had found rob and pipo in there but they seemed to be posting some really tame stuff. I'm sure you would be welcomed there, your posts aren't quite as childish as some and more intelligent. Your quite the lady 99.9% of the time...

An alternative playground????


toyman - Oct 18, 2000 11:03 (*.wplus.net)

Go to Underground Serbian Cafe

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/84302
Who gonna moderate it?

Goodguy:
The following topic on the board "suggested" in pretty clear terms that the politics board refugees are not welcome! So far there is only one thread from "our" lot.

BTW- thanks!

mr.good:

if ## beginning "155.163" means you're on AOL,
i've had all kindsa wacky shite happen when
attempting to post from here. or, simply _getting_
here...

many times i've received the "dead link/no such
address" message, including this week. at the same
time, netscape tended to cooperate.

i gotta believe that you werent singled out for
banning; i often bitched to them re: the
impersonator posts by st. tony, etc., and they
would delete 'em, but they wouldnt ban the SICK
and TWISTED one.

and when i do post via AOL, i always have to re-do
the last few letters of the post.
fortunately there hasnt been any [expletive]
mangled posts lately.

Who is BTW, are you refering to me because of my other name betterthan?
I'll have to go in there and check it out.

Its finally happened.

the Yanks against the Mets. the Subway Series.
things are back in the proper order, the planets are perfectly aligned. all is right with the Universe.

What's this Serbian cafe stuff im hearing about?
do they serve homemade pie. LOL

By the way, Thanks!


Here's another proposal:

IS THE OLD POLITICAL FORUM GONE FOR GOOD?
MACHO SLAV - Oct 18, 2000 11:51 (*.aol.com)

http://members2.boardhost.com/SERBIANUNITY/
A recently started Serb forum can be found at the above link.Not as competition with
any other forum but as a place to handle the overflow and as a information source.The
Serb Cafe political forum was popular and a real battleground.

mornin' goys'n'gals :)))

Anyone saw the Presidential debates last night?
Did Beavis W. Bush took a beating or what? LOL

You gotta give it to the W...lol..so quick to "get out" of the shaky ground: while getting very bemused by Gore, George W. accused him of, and I quote, "proposing the largest increase in federal spending in years". Gore shote back that independent journalists contested Bush's numbers. George W. quicly responded, "forget the journalists"...

FORGET THE JOURNALISTS, huh...LOL..

..here's another one:

it is called the invention of a new word by a Texas scholar, heh - the affirmative ACCESS.

(from the last night's debates)
"LEHRER: Governor Bush, Norma Kirby (ph) has the next question. And it's for you.

Norma Kirby (ph), where are you?

BUSH: Hi, Norma.

QUESTION: Hi. How will your administration address diversity, inclusiveness? And what role will affirmative action play in your overall plan?

BUSH: I've had a record of bringing people from all walks of life into my administration, and my administration is better off for it in Texas. I going to find people that want to serve their country, but I want a diverse administration. I think it's important.

I've worked hard in the state of Texas to make sure institutions are -- reflect the state, with good, smart policy, policy that rejects quotas. I don't like quotas. Quotas tend to pit one group of people against another. Quotas are bad for America. It's not the way America is all about. But policies that give people a helping hand so they can help themselves.

BUSH: For example, in our state of Texas, I worked with the legislature, both Republican and Democrats, to pass a law that said if you come in the top 10 percent of your high school class, you're automatically admitted to one of our higher institutions, higher institutions of learning -- college. And as a result, our universities are now more diverse. It's a smart thing to do. It's what I called it -- I labeled it affirmative access.

I think the contracting business in government can help, not with quotas, but help meet a goal of ownership of small businesses, for example. The contracts need to be smaller. The agencies need to recruit and to work hard to find people to bid on the state contracts. I think we can do that in a way that represents what America is all about, which is equal opportunity and the opportunity for people to realize their potential.

So to answer your question, I support -- I guess the way to put it is affirmative access. And I'll have an administration that will make you proud. Thank you.

LEHRER: Vice President Gore?

GORE: I believe in this goal and this effort with all my heart. I believe that our future as a nation depends upon whether or not we can break down these barriers that have been used to pit group against group and bring our people together. How do you do it? Well, you establish respect for differences. You don't ignore differences. It's all too easy for somebody in the majority in the population to say, "Oh, we're just all the same," without an understanding of the different life experience that you've had, that others have had.

(CORRECTED COPY: CORRECTS BUSH FOR GORE)

GORE: Once you have that understanding and mutual respect, then we can transcend the differences and embrace the highest common denominator of the American spirit.

I don't know what affirmative access means; I do know what affirmative action means. I know the governor's against it and I know that I'm for it.

I know what a hate crime statute pending at the national level is all about, in the aftermath of James Byrd's death. I'm for that proposed law; the governor is against it.

I know what it means to have a commitment to diversity. I am part of an administration that has the finest record on diversity and, incidentally, an excellent -- I mean, I think our success over the last eight years has not been in spite of diversity, but because of it, because we're able to draw on the wisdom and experience from different parts of the society that hadn't been tapped in the same way before.

And, incidentally, Mel Carnahan in Missouri had the finest record on diversity of any governor in the entire history of the state of Missouri, and I want to honor that, among his other achievements here.

Now, I just believe that what we have to do is enforce the civil rights laws. I'm against quotas.

This is -- with all due respect, Governor, that's a red herring. Affirmative action isn't quotas. I'm against quotas. They're illegal. They're against the American way.

Affirmative action means that you take extra steps to acknowledge the history of discrimination and injustice and prejudice, and bring all people into the American dream because it helps everybody, not just those who are directly benefited.

LEHRER: Governor, what is your -- are you opposed to affirmative action?

BUSH: No. If affirmative action means quotas, I'm against it. If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it. You heard what I was for.

The vice president keeps saying I'm against things. You heard what I was for, and that's what I support.

LEHRER: What about -- Mr. Vice President, you heard what he said.

GORE: He said if affirmative action means quotas, he's against it. Affirmative action doesn't mean quotas.

BUSH: Good.

GORE: Are you for it without quotas?

BUSH: I may not be for your version, Mr. Vice President. But I'm for what I just described to the lady. She heard my answer.

GORE: Are you for what the Supreme Court says is a constitutional way of having affirmative action?

BUSH: Jim, is this...

LEHRER: Let's go on to another...

(LAUGHTER)

GORE: I think that speaks for itself.

BUSH: No. Doesn't speak for itself, Mr. Vice President. It speaks for the fact that there are certain rules in this that we all agreed to, but evidently rules don't mean anything."

LMAO at the Governor..

L,
No I don't use AOL, I'm on a T3 span now and use Cable at home. Maybe the cable modem is srewed up, I get some weird errors somtimes. It is kinda mind bending though. My posts there wern't that bad, well maybe a little, lol. It seems they would have banned others before myself. I never impersonated anyone over there. Maybe it was illium (idiot) that srewed things up for everyone. Did anyone post this link for them over there or would you guys prefer not to have them over here?

BTW, By the way thanks
Dumbass me, not thinking this morning. Thanks...

Kosovo's UN-Run Justice Violates Human Rights Law

PRISTINA, Oct 18, 2000 -- (Agence France Presse) Kosovo's UN-run justice system falls short of international standards of human rights, is often biased against Serb defendants and allows suspects to be detained illegally, according to an OSCE report released Wednesday.

"We are still a long way from the full implementation of international standards," Rolf Welberts, director for human rights at the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe's Kosovo mission, told reporters.

The damning 89-page document covers the period between February 1 and July 31 during which Kosovo's UN administration was struggling to set up a fair justice system in a province wracked by ethnic hatred and organized crime.

"In certain circumstances, the authorities in Kosovo are not complying with the applicable law, including international human rights laws," a summary of the report notes.

"The continuing climate of ethnic conflict impacts on the impartiality of the courts, the report finds clear and compelling evidence of actual bias by the courts against Kosovo Serb defendants in particular," it adds.

"Persons have been detained by KFOR (Kosovo's NATO-led peacekeeping force) and UNMIK (the UN mission) in violation of domestic and human rights law," the report says.

Kosovo has been administered by the United Nations since June last year, after a NATO air campaign forced Yugoslav troops to abandon their war against ethnic Albanian separatists. ((c) 2000 Agence France Presse)

No-one has posted the link so far. I don't relish the thought of ISA and Marie over here, but then would they really dare to fight us all on our own turf?


Hi Dimitri!

So what do the polls look like this morning! LOL

Chorny,

Just read that on the other board!
One Western agency attacking another, that's an interesting development.

Start Of Russian Trial Of Alleged U.S. Spy Delayed

MOSCOW, Oct 18, 2000 -- (Reuters) U.S. businessman Edmond Pope was due to go on trial on espionage charges behind closed doors in a Russian court on Wednesday, but proceedings were delayed to give him time to study the indictment, his lawyer said.

Reporters were left outside the Moscow City Court as discussion got under way in the case which has become an irritant in relations between Russia and the United States.

No one caught a glimpse of Pope, who has been in detention since April.

Lawyer Pavel Astakhov said the judge responded to complaints that Pope had insufficient time to study the charges by giving him three hours to explain Russian criminal law to his client.

"In three hours, we are supposed to do a condensed course in turning businessman Edmond Pope into a lawyer who can deal with Russia's criminal code," he told reporters after the trial's opening session was postponed until 1200 GMT.

"This is a bad joke."

Pope, a former intelligence officer who suffers from a rare form of bone cancer, is alleged to have made contact with a Russian scientist as part of attempts to gather information on a Russian torpedo. He says he openly bought technology and sought joint ventures with Russian firms.

Astakhov said Pope had been given two hours in prison to examine the 26-page document, in Russian and English, without a translator. Pope could face 20 years in prison if convicted.

"He was astonished. This is understandable," Astakhov said. "What the judge said reinforced his feeling that he doesn't understand the Russian legal process and has doubts about it."

JUSTICE MUST TAKE ITS COURSE-PUTIN

A senior U.S. diplomat stood outside the court before the sitting began but made no comment to reporters.

A committee of the U.S. House of Representatives has asked President Bill Clinton to consider curbing financial aid to Moscow unless Pope is released.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said justice must take its course. Russian politicians have criticized protests by U.S. legislators as interference in Moscow's internal affairs.

A U.S. embassy spokesman said on the eve of the trial the embassy had seen Pope about 15 times in detention but complained that authorities had refused to allow an English-speaking doctor to see him and released no details of his state of health.

U.S. Under Secretary of State Thomas Pickering, in Moscow for talks with officials, said his main concern was to secure Pope's release to safeguard his health.

"Let me repeat what is uppermost in our minds - that Mr. Pope be released as rapidly as possible to receive the kind of medical treatment that his special form of cancer requires and that the process of releasing him be achieved a swiftly as possible," Pickering told reporters.

He made no comment on the charges or conduct of the trial.

The State Department says it has seen no evidence Pope was spying. It warned Americans that business practices considered normal elsewhere are viewed with suspicion in Russia.

Igor, privet. I'm having problems with retreaving my password for logging on to MSN Messenger. I do have a Yahoo Messenger though, can YOU download it from Yahoo.com?

Lemme know if ya can, I'll give ya my screen name.